It's official: Microsoft unveils ultra-thin, metal-bodied Lumia 650, priced at $199 [Update]

After weeks of leaks and rumors, Microsoft finally unveiled the Lumia 650 today. The device was revealed without fanfare and with no launch event; instead it was announced in a post on its Devices Blog.

The Lumia 650 is Microsoft's fourth handset to run Windows 10 Mobile out of the box, following in the footsteps of the Lumias 550, 950 and 950 XL, which it unveiled last October. The ultra-thin device features metallic bodywork and a 5-inch AMOLED screen.

It seems that the 650 is being aimed at business buyers, although the only real explanation for that is this paragraph in the blog post, written by Microsoft's Samuli Hänninen:

I’ve had an opportunity to talk with our business customers as well as our Windows fans and something that consistently comes up is that this ever expanding mobile world is quickly becoming chaotic. It’s in that spirit that we designed the Lumia 650 to bring first class to business class; giving our customers the best of Microsoft productivity and security, all wrapped in a beautiful slim package. By providing a consistent experience across PC and phone through the power of Windows 10, we think professionals and Windows fans alike will love using it every day.

The product information page on Microsoft's website also emphasizes that the Lumia 650 is "built for business", although the device doesn't appear to include any unique features not available on its other handsets that make it uniquely suited to business customers. Its main specs include:

  • 5-inch AMOLED with HD (1280x720px) resolution and Gorilla Glass 3
  • Quad-core 1.3GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 212 processor
  • 1GB RAM
  • 16GB onboard storage (plus microSD card support up to 200GB)
  • 8MP rear camera with autofocus, LED flash and 720p video recording at 30fps
  • 5MP front-facing camera with continous autofocus, 'video light' and 720p video at 30fps
  • Bluetooth 4.1
  • Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n with support for Wi-Fi calling
  • 4G LTE connectivity (bands 1, 3, 7, 8 and 20)
  • NFC support
  • microUSB 2.0 with Type B connector
  • Removable 2000mAh battery
  • 142 x 71 x 6.9mm; 122g

Indeed, the Lumia 650 lacks one of the key features of Windows 10 Mobile that Microsoft has been promoting towards business customers: the PC-like Continuum feature that allows users to connect a mouse and keyboard to a handset, and then connect the handset to a larger display, effectively turning it into a mini-PC, complete with desktop-style user interface and Start menu. The Lumia 650's relatively low-end specs don't support Continuum, and while Microsoft Office, Cortana and OneDrive are also highlighted as benefits of the device for business buyers, these features are available not just on other Windows 10 Mobile handsets, and older Windows Phones, but even on Android and iOS.

The announcement does not include any mention of support for dual-SIMs either - another feature popular with business users who frequently travel to other countries. Update: As @teroalhonen pointed out, a dual-SIM version is available; Microsoft just didn't make any mention of it in its blog post.

You can get a quick overview of the Lumia 650 in Microsoft's video below:

The Lumia 650 will go on sale "in select European markets" from February 18, with a suggested retail price of $199 USD before taxes and subsidies. That converts directly to £137 GBP / €178 EUR / Rs.13,550 INR / $279 AUD - but those conversions should only be taken as a rough guide, as local pricing may differ in specific markets.

The Lumia 650 is rumored to be the last handset in Microsoft's Lumia range, as the company is said to be focusing its mobile development efforts on the 'Surface phone', expected later this year.

Update: Preorders have opened at the Microsoft Store in the UK for both Black and White versions of the Lumia 650 at £159.99 incl VAT, and as previously reported, it will ship on February 18th. In Germany it can be availed for €229.00. - Thanks Fahim S

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Why not just get a OnePlus X if you want a good-looking Android phone around that price range?

Because you'd have a 40/60% chance of getting one THAT WORKED out the box, you'd have to go through so many hoops to get it repaired, and it will have so many software bugs, it would drive you insane.

You'd care for lags ?? This hardware is not enough for smooth android experience.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about, Android will handle perfectly well on a 21x with a gig of ram and a 720p display. My Lumia 1020 has a more powerful SOC than my tablet, and my tablet's screen is higher resolution, yet several games on the Windows store lag where they run smoothly on my tablet.

Newer versions of Android are very efficient. Fine on mid range phones. Plus actually enjoying good app support is a bonus ;)

You'd care for lags ?? This hardware is not enough for smooth android experience.

Stop it with this right now. Windows Mobile 10 Mobile is just as laggy as Android. To add insult to injury, "loading...." "resuming...".

This is no longer a talking point in favour of Windows. The listboxes stutter and lag and do not render as smooth as the 'endless' lists of WP7 Silverlight.

Stop it with this right now. Windows Mobile 10 Mobile is just as laggy as Android. To add insult to injury, "loading...." "resuming...".

This is no longer a talking point in favour of Windows. The listboxes stutter and lag and do not render as smooth as the 'endless' lists of WP7 Silverlight.

windows 10 runs perfectly fine on the 6 devices I have. Icon, 1520, 830, 640XL, 925 and the 950XL. Android on the other hand runs like crap on a flagship Samsung S6 Edge. That phone might get Marshmallow around the same time as RS1 for windows 10, but being android it will still probably run like a piece of crap.

Yep, I'll take one!

Battery is on lower side.. Yes although Windows Phone as OS is less resource hungry, thus lower battery consumption but still for that 5" Display along with 4G radio, 2000 mAH is on lower side..

Note, when you have already given 2500 with 640, why downgrading ?? May be because users praised your battery life and you wanted to dig your own grave ??

Worst is the downgrade of processor.. Lumia 640 had SD 400 where as 650 is a strait downgrade to 212 series ??

Who is leading Microsoft Product team ?? Digging their own grave like this ??

Wait, I see, that is not all, on top the price, almost double compare to present retailing price of Lumia 640 ??

What is extra ?? NFC, which no one usages in my region (India), extra 8GB build in storage, which may not be necessary when there is option to add card !!

Really really disappointing !!

Battery is on lower side.. Yes although Windows Phone as OS is less resource hungry, thus lower battery consumption but still for that 5" Display along with 4G radio, 2000 mAH is on lower side..

Note, when you have already given 2500 with 640, why downgrading ?? May be because users praised your battery life and you wanted to dig your own grave ??

Worst is the downgrade of processor.. Lumia 640 had SD 400 where as 650 is a strait downgrade to 212 series ??

Who is leading Microsoft Product team ?? Digging their own grave like this ??

Wait, I see, that is not all, on top the price, almost double compare to present retailing price of Lumia 640 ??

What is extra ?? NFC, which no one usages in my region (India), extra 8GB build in storage, which may not be necessary when there is option to add card !!

Really really disappointing !!

the SD212 is not really a downgrade to the SD400. the 212 has a higher clock speed offers better LTE and Bluetooth, Better Battery Efficiency, the only thing the 400 has better is the graphics.

Well this would be a good replacement for my 925.. shame it doesn't support Continuum and that it doesn't use the new type C USB though!

Basically the business feature for Windows 10 Mobile is not supported on that called "business phone" " height="20" src="//neowin.s3.amazonaws.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png" srcset="//neowin.s3.amazonaws.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" width="20" />

It is missing Continuum, what else? I think the lack of Continuum is more to the price than anything else. It is a perfect business phone otherwise (encryption, office etc).

Just compared specs with my old Lumia 920 and they are almost the exact same. I would expect phones at this price range, but 4 years newer, to thrash my 920.

I'm just not sure where these levels of phones are supposed to fit into the market.

Just compared specs with my old Lumia 920 and they are almost the exact same. I would expect phones at this price range, but 4 years newer, to thrash my 920.

I'm just not sure where these levels of phones are supposed to fit into the market.

Err, this is a budget phone. If you want something better than you 930 then you should be looking at a 950/XL

Just compared specs with my old Lumia 920 and they are almost the exact same. I would expect phones at this price range, but 4 years newer, to thrash my 920.

I'm just not sure where these levels of phones are supposed to fit into the market.

Err, this is a budget phone. If you want something better than you 930 then you should be looking at a 950/XL

I think a phone at this price should easily beat the 920 after 4 years of technological advances. My 920 barely copes with Windows 10 which makes me wary of trying a 650 if I'm going to be having a similar user experience.

Just compared specs with my old Lumia 920 and they are almost the exact same. I would expect phones at this price range, but 4 years newer, to thrash my 920.

I'm just not sure where these levels of phones are supposed to fit into the market.

Err, this is a budget phone. If you want something better than you 930 then you should be looking at a 950/XL

I think a phone at this price should easily beat the 920 after 4 years of technological advances. My 920 barely copes with Windows 10 which makes me wary of trying a 650 if I'm going to be having a similar user experience.

£137 vs. £500? I am not sure it should. Plus I tested Windows 10 on an 640 and it is more than fine.

Just compared specs with my old Lumia 920 and they are almost the exact same. I would expect phones at this price range, but 4 years newer, to thrash my 920.

I'm just not sure where these levels of phones are supposed to fit into the market.

the 920 when it was released was a flagship device, this is a budget phone.

Byt why? Who will purchase this? And end-of-series product with god knows how short remaining lifetime as a platform. The platform is half the phone.

Byt why? Who will purchase this? And end-of-series product with god knows how short remaining lifetime as a platform. The platform is half the phone.

^^ This,

Good looking phone, solid piece for the dollars v quality. But as a current user of the platform unless MS pull a rabbit out of the hat sometime somewhere, don't think shelling out even at this price is worth it. Something is only as strong as its weakest component and in this case that's the OS....and maybe the 1GB ram.

^^ This,

Good looking phone, solid piece for the dollars v quality. But as a current user of the platform unless MS pull a rabbit out of the hat sometime somewhere, don't think shelling out even at this price is worth it. Something is only as strong as its weakest component and in this case that's the OS....and maybe the 1GB ram.

you guys seem to forget or don't know that windows phone devices are doing relativity well in the business market. This is the perfect phone for a large company to give employees.

wow... No USB type C?

I will be buying one for the Mrs (big Windows Phone fan), but would've liked this to be another device that continued the move away from Micro USB.

The Lumia 650 has very similar specs to the 640, in screen, RAM, camera, features, the CPU is slightly different, but not really. It's a slightly upgraded 640 in a new body, more metallic than the plastic case of the 640.

Looks cool, I'd buy one. 200 bucks is a steal for a phone of this quality.

The Lumia 650 has very similar specs to the 640, in screen, RAM, camera, features, the CPU is slightly different, but not really. It's a slightly upgraded 640 in a new body, more metallic than the plastic case of the 640.

Looks cool, I'd buy one. 200 bucks is a steal for a phone of this quality.

It is a 640 successor with 5xx series CPU. I wonder why :/ Why not go with Snapdragon 410 or 412? Didn't they just ship 550 with a Snapdragon 210?

"The device was revealed without fanfare and with no launch event"

And here lies the problem with Windows Phone...

Could they put some effort into rolling out WM10 instead? I live in West Europe, own a 1520 for almost 2 years now, and still nothing. The few apps I have are not updated anymore probably pending WM10 adoption, and all of this is really pushing "casual" mobile people to Android and IOS.

2 minutes ago, Kravex said:

"The device was revealed without fanfare and with no launch event"

And here lies the problem with Windows Phone...

To be fair, if they had a huge party to release a device that brings nothing new to the table, we'd be questioning what are they doing with the marketing budget... This 650 looks like a replacement for a 640, with metal case and a more modern OS and SOC. Looks cool and is competitively priced but not really a big event.

 

Nothing too big to announce, however if they start making games where there's a main character (operated by a Xbox/PC player) and then a bunch of minions/cannon fodder operated by mobile gamers... that could be amusing for both types of players, and profitable for the developer :)

 

 

Make it XL with a better camera and I might be interested, even though I see no reason to upgrade from my 640 XL LTE :p

MS needs a good iPhone or Galaxy class of phone in order to gain in the US market. You will never gain marketshare with this type of phone.

Edited by hagjohn, Feb 15 2016, 5:36am :

MS needs a good iPhone or Galaxy class of phone in order to gain in the US market. You will never gain marketshare with this type of phone.

the 950/950 XL handsets are flagship devices and were released at the end of last year. I know that there is an issue that Verizon won't offer it in the US but that model is the iPhone / Galaxy class device.

Snapdragon 212? I'm sorry but that's pathetic (more so for "business" users). I have a 640, and with the Snapdragon 400, it runs WM10 pretty slow. 

10 minutes ago, BajiRav said:

I have a 640 and it runs W10M pretty well - definitely not slow. Which build are you on?

I don't have my 640 on my right now, but I updated it just this past Friday to the latest build (fast ring). I have tried full resets, and it's still slow. It's slower than my friend's 635, and even benches slower. I can't complain for $20.

Edited by tsupersonic, Feb 15 2016, 8:59am :

As much as I have a Love/Hate relationship with my 950XL mainly due to a few remaining instability bugs in Windows 10, it's still my first choice compared to iOS or Android. I use all 3 operating systems every single day. I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10. Android is a bit better than iOS, but what an unpolished navigation mess that is.

So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good enough specs to run Windows 10 very comfortably for everyday use and is perfect for a Business class phone, or for uncle Bob, grandma, or mom.

If you're a geek like me and can afford it, get a 950 or 950XL, otherwise this 650 is a great option. Very much looking forward to the 850 if they make one.

As much as I have a Love/Hate relationship with my 950XL mainly due to a few remaining instability bugs in Windows 10, it's still my first choice compared to iOS or Android. I use all 3 operating systems every single day. I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10. Android is a bit better than iOS, but what an unpolished navigation mess that is.

So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good enough specs to run Windows 10 very comfortably for everyday use and is perfect for a Business class phone, or for uncle Bob, grandma, or mom.

If you're a geek like me and can afford it, get a 950 or 950XL, otherwise this 650 is a great option. Very much looking forward to the 850 if they make one.

While I agree with the rest what you are saying I find this really weird:
"I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10."
I use my iPhone 5S every day and have no idea what bugs you are referring to. Could you name some?
Also stuck in the 90's sounds more like you just want to neg it but has no real explanation why? I have no idea why you would say that. I think it looks way more beautiful than Android and I don't see any negging of that?
I have had a 640 for 4 monthts. I tried, I really did. Every day I had just little irritations of apps crashing, doing little things like copying text, browsing, reading mail reading/syncing that compared to my previous iPhone 4S felt not as easy to do. It was all doable but just with more effort.
When on holiday I got so frustrated with the device, it's apps and it's overall usability I bought a iPhone 5S in a wild rush and the relief was insane. Sold the 640 and have never looked back. But okay, I know it's different for everybody. When a Surface Phone comes out and Windows 10 Phone is a bit more mature I'll have a look again :)

As much as I have a Love/Hate relationship with my 950XL mainly due to a few remaining instability bugs in Windows 10, it's still my first choice compared to iOS or Android. I use all 3 operating systems every single day. I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10. Android is a bit better than iOS, but what an unpolished navigation mess that is.

So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good enough specs to run Windows 10 very comfortably for everyday use and is perfect for a Business class phone, or for uncle Bob, grandma, or mom.

If you're a geek like me and can afford it, get a 950 or 950XL, otherwise this 650 is a great option. Very much looking forward to the 850 if they make one.

950/950XL were "systematically" sabotaged by the Media just like they sabotaged 920[Making a mole of mountain hill by first claiming a video being shot by 920 and then kept publishing negativity about how Nokia "fooled" people]. Its really sad that even Tom Warren left such a pathetic review of 950XL that he lost all his credibility in my eyes in the blink of an eye. I agree he "claimed" to be a fan but his review was neither objective nor even included a video review. Such a scumbag

As much as I have a Love/Hate relationship with my 950XL mainly due to a few remaining instability bugs in Windows 10, it's still my first choice compared to iOS or Android. I use all 3 operating systems every single day. I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10. Android is a bit better than iOS, but what an unpolished navigation mess that is.

So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good enough specs to run Windows 10 very comfortably for everyday use and is perfect for a Business class phone, or for uncle Bob, grandma, or mom.

If you're a geek like me and can afford it, get a 950 or 950XL, otherwise this 650 is a great option. Very much looking forward to the 850 if they make one.

950/950XL were "systematically" sabotaged by the Media just like they sabotaged 920[Making a mole of mountain hill by first claiming a video being shot by 920 and then kept publishing negativity about how Nokia "fooled" people]. Its really sad that even Tom Warren left such a pathetic review of 950XL that he lost all his credibility in my eyes in the blink of an eye. I agree he "claimed" to be a fan but his review was neither objective nor even included a video review. Such a scumbag

A friend of mine is a WP enthusiast and showed me his 950XL. He could recreate several application crashes for me, he encountered random reboots, random slow-downs, and was able to show some obvious bugs. And the battery life was terrible too.

He is still using his phone but still he agrees with the reviews because he had the same problems.

While I agree with the rest what you are saying I find this really weird:
"I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10."
I use my iPhone 5S every day and have no idea what bugs you are referring to. Could you name some?
Also stuck in the 90's sounds more like you just want to neg it but has no real explanation why? I have no idea why you would say that. I think it looks way more beautiful than Android and I don't see any negging of that?
I have had a 640 for 4 monthts. I tried, I really did. Every day I had just little irritations of apps crashing, doing little things like copying text, browsing, reading mail reading/syncing that compared to my previous iPhone 4S felt not as easy to do. It was all doable but just with more effort.
When on holiday I got so frustrated with the device, it's apps and it's overall usability I bought a iPhone 5S in a wild rush and the relief was insane. Sold the 640 and have never looked back. But okay, I know it's different for everybody. When a Surface Phone comes out and Windows 10 Phone is a bit more mature I'll have a look again " height="20" src="//neowin.s3.amazonaws.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png" srcset="//neowin.s3.amazonaws.com/forum/uploads/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" width="20" />

I have to stop you when you say things are easier to do on ios, you are out to lunch with that remark. IOS is an aging OS and is getting very tired, yes apple add a little to it with each release but most only work with latest device, older devices don't really get a true update. IOS at each public release is full of bugs, maybe check out their forums or something.

no continuum is an issue, price & regardless of aluminum looking cool plastic seems to last longer without it looking like crap after wear & tear, easier & cheaper to replace and is more shock resident. Don't get me wrong I love Windows Mobile but this seems to cater to iPhone users.

Just now, NocturnalAlloy said:

[...]So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good [...]

That's interesting actually. When Apple came along with a no-name CPU/SoC, they claimed it's good enough because they are the only makers of the hardware and also the authors of the main apps you need and everyone was OK with that. The benchmarks scores were good, people accepted whatever level of performance was good too. However, that's not how people behave when it's a Samsung or Microsoft device.

 

I suspect that the people who give 9.5/10 scores to Apple devices really are unable to give out that score to anyone else out of a silly bias, and they don't have the guts to give a lower score to Apple just because they are scared of being cut out of the next delivery of devices for testing and review.

Aimed at business users because the requisite apps for 16 year old girls don't exist on the platform.

17 minutes ago, link6155 said:

720P screen is a no go for me, even if it's budget. At this point so many budget/mid-range phones have a full-HD screen.

720p is a perfect balance when you are trying balance display+battery life+price. Sure 1080p may look better but it's also going to eat battery and you are also going to need a beefier processor. My only gripe is the CPU, it should have been a 400 series CPU or this phone should have been called 550 instead.

 

14 minutes ago, JHBrown said:

Priced too high.

I think the price is reasonable for the specs and it's obviously going to retail at lower price (just like every other phone).

Edited by BajiRav, Feb 15 2016, 10:42am :

Just want to add...the speakers are front facing!!!! Thankyou!!!! This maybe lame to some, but few phones seem to be getting this!

I'm also happy that they didn't give up on the removable back just because they added some metal. I don't know if I'll be upgrading to this phone (because I just bought the 640 for $48 bucks), but it's got a lot of the things I had on my list.

Correct, no crazy new specs, but if it's not going to be a computer(continuum), I'm fine with it just being a phone. Aside from being a computer, there isn't anything I need from my Lumia 640 it can't do (and more than $600 dollars cheaper than an iPhone). Not saying this phone is for everyone, but I don't have any problems with it.

1 hour ago, NocturnalAlloy said:

As much as I have a Love/Hate relationship with my 950XL mainly due to a few remaining instability bugs in Windows 10, it's still my first choice compared to iOS or Android. I use all 3 operating systems every single day. I despise iOS because it's stuck in the 1990's, and quite frankly the newest version of iOS probably has more bugs than Windows 10. Android is a bit better than iOS, but what an unpolished navigation mess that is.

So if you ask me the 650 is a great phone, it doesn't have the best CPU, it doesn't have 3 Gigs of RAM, it doesn't have 32 Gigs of on-board storage, and it doesn't have the greatest Quad HD display, or even the best camera. But what it has is all-around good enough specs to run Windows 10 very comfortably for everyday use and is perfect for a Business class phone, or for uncle Bob, grandma, or mom.

If you're a geek like me and can afford it, get a 950 or 950XL, otherwise this 650 is a great option. Very much looking forward to the 850 if they make one.

Agree on love to hate the 950XL. Also the thing that annoys me on android is how the notification screen looks like a space ship console and the notification bar like a windows xp machine with 1000 tray icons. Not to mention the app updates every 3 days with no obvious changes.

Even though a lot of people are saying this is a reasonable price for the specs, I tend to disagree. Considering how Huawei Honor 5X costs $200, how LG G3 is now on sale for $220 with its crazy specs[well at least its old phone], this phone at least had to have 6xx series of processor or 4xx[at least]. Also, I dont understand why last generation top of the line SoC is not considered mid ranger for current year? OnePlus X has 801 and it is priced at $249. Can't Microsoft release a phone with 801 processor for $249 too? Wishful thinking but I hope we get it on 850 if one actually sees the day of light :(

3 hours ago, tsupersonic said:

I don't have my 640 on my right now, but I updated it just this past Friday to the latest build (fast ring). I have tried full resets, and it's still slow. It's slower than my friend's 635, and even benches slower. I can't complain for $20.

635 and 640 have the same chipset, same GPU same CPU, same RAM... 

Specs don't look half bad, minus the 2xx snapdragon which is a complete cringe. Looks like an iphone 4 to me.

Specs don't look half bad, minus the 2xx snapdragon which is a complete cringe. Looks like an iphone 4 to me.

Yes, I pull my hairs thinking who was at the helm of "approving" 212 for a "business ready" phone. They again ruined a very sleek looking phone with their pathetic gut feelings. Wish they at least would have seen what Huawei and others are bringing to the market.

I would say, if they can release Lumia 850 with Snapdragon 801, and identical specs to that of OnePlus X even for $249, that will be a sleeper hit. But, oh well, we are talking about Microsoft who is working diligently to kill WM

Yes, I pull my hairs thinking who was at the helm of "approving" 212 for a "business ready" phone. They again ruined a very sleek looking phone with their pathetic gut feelings. Wish they at least would have seen what Huawei and others are bringing to the market.

I would say, if they can release Lumia 850 with Snapdragon 801, and identical specs to that of OnePlus X even for $249, that will be a sleeper hit. But, oh well, we are talking about Microsoft who is working diligently to kill WM

its a business phone yes, one that gets purchased in the 100's for big companies to give to employees. This is not your CEO type of device and it doesn't need fancy features to distract workers, It gets the job done for what its needed for. Its not for gaming or checking your FB or Twitter, its their for you as an employee of your employer to make money for the company.

8 hours ago, Steven P. said:

Well this would be a good replacement for my 925.. shame it doesn't support Continuum and that it doesn't use the new type C USB though!

Give it those things you mentioned, make it 5.7", and give it flagship CPU, Camera, and RAM, and I would actually be tempted to give the platform one last try. The last hope will be the rumored Surface Phone. With MS apps on every platform and being top notch productions (except on its own platform), I truly think MS doesn't care about phone hardware anymore.

Give it those things you mentioned, make it 5.7", and give it flagship CPU, Camera, and RAM, and I would actually be tempted to give the platform one last try. The last hope will be the rumored Surface Phone. With MS apps on every platform and being top notch productions (except on its own platform), I truly think MS doesn't care about phone hardware anymore.

why would you say that when the 950XL is a hardware beast.

24 minutes ago, sharpdesigner said:

I usually hate your negative bias against WM10 and Microsoft in general, I have to agree with this statement

In general, I have no negative bias against Microsoft. I do disagree with their overall strategy since the release of Windows 8, and now, the strong arm tactics of pushing Windows 10. In general, I love the company.

23 minutes ago, sharpdesigner said:

[...]Huawei Honor 5X costs $200, how LG G3 is now on sale for $220 with its crazy specs[well at least its old phone][...]

I think that at this point in time Huawei, Xiaomi and Lenovo (there are others, of course) are not well represented in retail in Europe and really have to make the extra effort in pricing for some brave souls to feel it's worth trying out.

LG might be just an old stock clearance.

 

For Microsoft/Nokia, it's a good thing to have low priced handsets but really not useful to get into a fight with Chinese manufacturers who don't have all of their product localised, or may not be in a position to offer guarantee. For example, if Xiaomi wants to have their products carried by retailers in the UK, they had better up the price so that there is some margin. Selling 5.5" phablets via eBay traders for £150 is really nice for brace buyers, but would make life complicated to specialised retailers who need to pay high street rents.

 

Nokia had a good reputation for build quality, it would be sad to see MS compete only in the "under £100" segment rather than trying to use any knowhow and positive perception they acquired from Nokia. I think that it's a better story to say that Win10 is so well made that it doesn't need a power hungry 64core SoC to offer a great user experience and smooth running of all the 4 apps ;)

 

 

So Windows Phone is for Business Users now? It makes sense really because there are no apps to distract business users from business.

1 minute ago, derekaw said:

So Windows Phone is for Business Users now? It makes sense really because there are no apps to distract business users from business.

Gotta love your backhanded comments. Do you get dividends from Apple for making them in every WP thread?

May be he does. Now I am thinking who were those freaks who keep posting "My aunt is earning xxx sitting at home ...." . or something in that line :D

7 hours ago, hagjohn said:

MS needs a good iPhone or Galaxy class of phone in order to gain in the US market. You will never gain marketshare with this type of phone.

Nope, Android won marketshare because of prices and apps. Samsung did good when they didn't skimp out on camera and screen quality compaired to competitors. now it's just inertia for them, they have nothing new. Apple won because they used to be adaptable (but are significantly less so nowadays)

7 hours ago, JustonCheney said:

except for the camera on the back, and the Microsoft logo, and no giant bottom bezel to fit a circle, and....no I disagree. Though they do have a thing or two in common.

I was kidding, though that metal-y rim looks familiar and the multitouch that apple "invented" :D. On a more serious note i think i saw the same camera shape and rim on some asian manufacturare and i can't remember which.

I was kidding, though that metal-y rim looks familiar and the multitouch that apple "invented" :D. On a more serious note i think i saw the same camera shape and rim on some asian manufacturare and i can't remember which.

Sorry but MS are going a different direction with mobile, they will not be in direct competition with Android or IOS, they will be a leader in something new, we may get the start of that latter this year.

14 minutes ago, naap51stang said:

Because you'd have a 40/60% chance of getting one THAT WORKED out the box, you'd have to go through so many hoops to get it repaired, and it will have so many software bugs, it would drive you insane.

Why is that? I've been interested in a OnePlus X recently but I haven't heard about these issues yet. What problems are there?

So Microsoft is selling a business phone without the number one feature that sets it remotely apart from their competition and is basically made for enterprises: Continuum.

Do they really enjoy failure this much?

So Microsoft is selling a business phone without the number one feature that sets it remotely apart from their competition and is basically made for enterprises: Continuum.

Do they really enjoy failure this much?

you are looking at the wrong business segment with your comment, this phone will be for your mass employees, you know, the ones that are just numbers. Not for your management staff.

The end is near.

And before anyone rips me apart, I am not a fanboy of any sort. I owned a Windows device before and loved it, but I hated how much I had to give up to use it. My favorite apps, certain features, etc. Now they unveil this thing with some missing features, some out-dated specs and it's the equivalent of saying "Hey, we love failing!."

The end is near.

And before anyone rips me apart, I am not a fanboy of any sort. I owned a Windows device before and loved it, but I hated how much I had to give up to use it. My favorite apps, certain features, etc. Now they unveil this thing with some missing features, some out-dated specs and it's the equivalent of saying "Hey, we love failing!."

I really don't understand the outdated spec's thing, is the SD212 4 years old or something??? and what missing features are you talking about??

Another WTF moment from the place where phone companies go to die.  Aside from the fact that it kinda looks like a iphone/galaxy.... Seriously, who is this for.   Do we really need another low/mid windows phone.  It doesn't even support the new nifty windows 10 stuff and the processor.... really Microsoft.   Guess I was right to fix my 1520.... again.... I have a 640 also, of course the digitizer on it turned to crap after 2 months, sadly Walmart wouldn't take it back so I have to send it to MS for a warranty repair.  It's hard being a windows phone guy, worse if you're with TMobile :( or should I say not with AT&T.

 

The physical design of this phone is pretty nice, but the rest of it leaves me very distinctly unimpressed. At this moment in time I'm struggling to work out what makes this a "business" phone as to me it appears very much like your bog standard, and average middle of the ground consumer device.

7 hours ago, derekaw said:

So Windows Phone is for Business Users now? It makes sense really because there are no apps to distract business users from business.

Microsoft announced in July 2015 that they will release 3 kinds of phones,

Flagships for fans: 950/XL

Low end : 550

Business users: 650

 

So this is nothing new.

13 hours ago, Javik said:

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about, Android will handle perfectly well on a 21x with a gig of ram and a 720p display. My Lumia 1020 has a more powerful SOC than my tablet, and my tablet's screen is higher resolution, yet several games on the Windows store lag where they run smoothly on my tablet.

Newer versions of Android are very efficient. Fine on mid range phones. Plus actually enjoying good app support is a bonus ;)

Ah, but the lowerend is bloated with sh*t which is all the bad rep android gets. Not to mention up until the current generation (g4,s6 et al) i've seen completely "smooth"(samsung... no...) experience. 

What's with the 3.5mm jack? In the black renders it looks almost like a power button, akin to the placement on the LG Quantum. On the white render it's not visible at all.

5 hours ago, korupt_one said:

windows 10 runs perfectly fine on the 6 devices I have. Icon, 1520, 830, 640XL, 925 and the 950XL. Android on the other hand runs like crap on a flagship Samsung S6 Edge. That phone might get Marshmallow around the same time as RS1 for windows 10, but being android it will still probably run like a piece of crap.

Your comment contradicts most reviews, which praise the S6 Edge—calling the interface "fast, slick and powerful"—and criticise the Lumia 950 XL—calling it a 'decent phone aside from the operating system'.

 

S6 Edge reviews:

Engadget - 'Both the S6 and the Edge were incredibly snappy, with virtually zero lag during normal use'

Trustedreviews - 'The Galaxy S6 runs Android 5.0 Lollipop integrated with a newly streamlined version of TouchWiz and it’s incredibly snappy to use'

Anandtech - 'On the performance side of things, the Galaxy S6 provides a noticeable improvement in responsiveness over the Galaxy S5 in some critical areas where the Galaxy S5 fell short. The multitasking menu is now significantly faster compared to the Galaxy S5 on Lollipop, and in general things are noticeably smoother. I suspect most people won’t be able to tell a difference at this point, but in general UI performance is about comparable to the One M9'

 

Your allegation that Android 'runs like crap' on the S6 Edge is not supported by evidence and given your obvious allegiance to Windows 10 Mobile—which has been widely slated in reviews—it's clear that you're not objective.

 

There's nothing wrong with liking W10M but please stop making up fake criticism of Android to make yourself feel better.

8 hours ago, korupt_one said:

they might seem the same, but they are not, faster memory, maybe tweaks to cpu, faster storage access. you would be surprised how things are different between 2 phones that seem to have the same spec's.

Correct, and I'd expect the 640 to be better. Definitely not from my experience. 

3 hours ago, theyarecomingforyou said:

Your allegation that Android 'runs like crap' on the S6 Edge is not supported by evidence and given your obvious allegiance to Windows 10 Mobile—which has been widely slated in reviews—it's clear that you're not objective.

 

There's nothing wrong with liking W10M but please stop making up fake criticism of Android to make yourself feel better.

Absolutely. It's mind boggling that the 950, a flagship device, has trouble running WM10. I can understand why my $19 640 would be slow, but it's very slow and doesn't do very well. My $199 Moto G runs Android Marshmallow without any lag whatsoever. My Nexus 6P with the same specs as a 950 XL runs Android Marshmallow perfectly fine again without any lag whatsoever. I've had an S6, and it was lag free. I use many different devices of various OS's, so I can say Android runs really well on any modern device with decent specs, not like the older days of Android 2.x. 

Edited by tsupersonic, Feb 17 2016, 8:32am :
On ‎16‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 6:46 AM, Javik said:

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about, Android will handle perfectly well on a 21x with a gig of ram and a 720p display. My Lumia 1020 has a more powerful SOC than my tablet, and my tablet's screen is higher resolution, yet several games on the Windows store lag where they run smoothly on my tablet.

Newer versions of Android are very efficient. Fine on mid range phones. Plus actually enjoying good app support is a bonus ;)

How many 212 phones have you seen with android and 1 GB ram in a while ?? Android's low end contains good specs than 650. I have tried phones running 410 and 617 running android and with 1-2GB rams, every single one was lagging. It's my 1st hand experience, that's why Android makers are putting good hardware even on low range phone and that's why Samsung and other makers are getting hit at low and mid range segments.

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