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[Dot Matrix]

xWhiplash, on 06 April 2012 - 17:04, said:

I can do work MUCH faster in Windows 7, so I will stick with it. I seriously doubt Apple or most Linux distributions will have launchpad/Metro ONLY interface in the future.

So, what you're saying is desktop computing won't evolve new methods of input? I think that's a bunch of bull.

[CSharp.]

Dot Matrix, on 06 April 2012 - 18:42, said:

So, what you're saying is desktop computing won't evolve new methods of input? I think that's a bunch of bull.

http://www.apple.com...w/gestures.html

[osuwildlifer]

Elliott, on 06 April 2012 - 16:25, said:

I'm sorry, but they've done a horrible job designing it for a desktop. Currently, it's about as nice as using an iPad with a mouse. You can do it, but it's inefficient and stupid.

I agree. It's clunky and inefficient on a desktop, in my opinion. The Start Screen is a huge mess compared to a compact and nicely organized Start Menu. It's been my main OS on this laptop since the release of the DP, and I use it every day. I know exactly how to get around, and I honestly think it is a step backwards. I'm not trolling either; I'm honestly disappointed. I love testing new builds of Windows. This is the first time I've ever felt negatively about a new OS.

[xWhiplash]

Drossel, on 06 April 2012 - 17:40, said:

Ok, I'm not the biggest fan of Metro myself (although I'm getting used to it and it's actually pretty good), but what are you talking about? You can uninstall an app directly from the start screen. Right click on a tile, uninstall, done. If you don't want to remove it, just turn off the "live tile" function. Easy.

Chances are the general user will not go around doing that. You know all somebody needs to do is Right click on IE and hide those toolbars, yet I still need to work on computers that have a dozen toolbars ACTIVE. You also have the ability to uninstall toolbars, that doesnt mean EVERYBODY will do it. I will not go around uninstalling stuff on a client's computer just so I can move around Metro easier.

[osuwildlifer]

xWhiplash, on 07 April 2012 - 02:14, said:

Chances are the general user will not go around doing that. You know all somebody needs to do is Right click on IE and hide those toolbars, yet I still need to work on computers that have a dozen toolbars ACTIVE. You also have the ability to uninstall toolbars, that doesnt mean EVERYBODY will do it. I will not go around uninstalling stuff on a client's computer just so I can move around Metro easier.

Absolutely true. The general home user is never going to change the Start Screen from its defaults.

[jakem1]

xWhiplash, on 07 April 2012 - 02:14, said:

Chances are the general user will not go around doing that. You know all somebody needs to do is Right click on IE and hide those toolbars, yet I still need to work on computers that have a dozen toolbars ACTIVE. You also have the ability to uninstall toolbars, that doesnt mean EVERYBODY will do it. I will not go around uninstalling stuff on a client's computer just so I can move around Metro easier.

So in summary, you complained about a hypothetical problem, someone else explained why it's not a problem and provided a solution and your response is that it's still a problem because hypothetical people will ignore the solution.

At least come up with realistic arguments.

[GP007]

Not that I have a problem with the start screen for the most part (still needs some little things IMO to make it even better) but I could see where the option to snap or set it to auto snap to the left side of the screen and not take up the whole screen would be a nice option to have for those who, for some odd reason, lose their "workflow" for the few seconds their whole screen gets taken over.

As far as the start screen filling up with loads of unwanted tiles from all the things you install I honestly don't see how that changes from the way things have been for years with installed apps (unless told otherwise) placing a desktop shortcut AND a start menu entry on your system all the time. I guess some people didn't find issues with that at all till now. I'm sure that apps will let you pick if you want a tile or not, I don't see why MS wouldn't have that option in place? And in any event, I think another start screen option/feature that would be nice to have is the ability to collapse tab groups by clicking on the title thus allowing you to compact things if you chose to.

[+Brando212]

GP007, on 07 April 2012 - 17:03, said:

I think another start screen option/feature that would be nice to have is the ability to collapse tab groups by clicking on the title thus allowing you to compact things if you chose to.

huh, I had never thought about anything like that, that would actually be a really nice feature if done correctly

[GP007]

Brando212, on 07 April 2012 - 17:06, said:

huh, I had never thought about anything like that, that would actually be a really nice feature if done correctly

It should be possible but the thing is how it'd look, as in placement of collapsed groups, I suppose they could start sliding under each other to make rows of group titles. that'd probably be the best way to do it visually. Or you could swing the titles down vertically to win back horizontal space, but that's always a pain to read IMO. I have trying to read vertical text.

[Dot Matrix]

osuwildlifer, on 07 April 2012 - 11:29, said:

Absolutely true. The general home user is never going to change the Start Screen from its defaults.

Why do you say that? You give the "general" user less credit than they deserve. What about 10-30 year olds who grew up using computers? They know how to work a desktop, and the Metro Start Screen is no different.

[osuwildlifer]

Dot Matrix, on 07 April 2012 - 17:16, said:

Why do you say that? You give the "general" user less credit than they deserve. What about 10-30 year olds who grew up using computers? They know how to work a desktop, and the Metro Start Screen is no different.

I suppose you've got a point, at least in regards to younger users. I guess i was thinking more of the general user in a work environment. At my workplace, a college which employs over 800 people, there would only be a very small minority of tech-savvy people that would have any clue as to how to customize the Start Screen.

[+Brando212]

no, i'd still consider most younger people around 10-30 to still be non computer savy, at least around my parts

I'd say a good 80% in this age range just use computers for MS Office Word for school and facebook

[Rickkins]

Dot Matrix, on 07 April 2012 - 17:16, said:

Why do you say that? You give the "general" user less credit than they deserve. What about 10-30 year olds who grew up using computers? They know how to work a desktop, and the Metro Start Screen is no different.

Fixed.(and thanks)

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Why do you say that? You give the "general" user less credit than they deserve. What about 10-30 year olds who grew up using computers? They know how to work a desktop, and the Metro Start Screen is no desktop.

[Dot Matrix]

Rickkins, on 09 April 2012 - 17:15, said:

Fixed.(and thanks)

The Start Screen isn't a desktop, but it works the same way when pinning and moving tiles around. You of all people should know better.

[MorganX]

Stopped by Best Buy today to get some BT Headphones and I must say there's quite a few AIO somewhat underpowered PCs with huge touchscreens. Perfect for Soccer Moms and ordinary folks in the Kitchen and Den who only need basically email and facebook.

Right now they have Windows 7 which is a waste on a touchscreen. Metro will do well in this rather large sector.