win8 I use Windows 8 like a power user! Do you?

[Som]

Yeah... I thought that's what I said... even though it (the super bar) was an improvement people still feared the change.

no they feared the change when they saw the superbar, but once they used it they saw how good it was... not really the same with windows 8 and metro...

[abysal]

no they feared the change when they saw the superbar, but once they used it they saw how good it was... not really the same with windows 8 and metro...

I'm still with you on this...I think.

I left the comment "but given time if the OS is genuinely an improvement over the old, they'll switch over." open ended regarding Win 8. Only time will tell, so it could end up being the same with Metro as with what happened with the super bar, although I doubt it.

[AltecXP]

I hate where both Microsoft and Apple are going with their next OS's. I just hate Apples version less. I liked WIn7 more than 10.7, but I like 10.8 more than Win8.

WIn8 just makes me annoyed. A user(that has been using computers since 1994) should never get annoyed when trying to learn an interface.

[Josh the Nerd]

That's very naive of you to think that, in a way they are forcing you. If I choose to get windows 8, I will still be presented with the start screen, and I'm sure steered towards an app store somewhere, similar to how Google and iTunes do it. I don't want my OS to be a commercialized store front. Then again it they sell it for 49$ per license, and not as a promo, I may re-evaluate the situation.

How are you "sure steered" to the app store?

[Som]

I'm still with you on this...I think.

I left the comment "but given time if the OS is genuinely an improvement over the old, they'll switch over." open ended regarding Win 8. Only time will tell, so it could end up being the same with Metro as with what happened with the super bar, although I doubt it.

oh ya my bad i read it wrong first.... so we're in agreement hooray! :p

it'll be successful with tablets I think...

[brink668]

no... you are a Ninja!

[trag3dy]

Well I for one believe the Metro start screen is a good option.

But after reading loads of posts about Win 8 I'm pretty sure loads of people would still dislike the new windows just because it is different

People don't like learning new things, even the so called power users, they all are screaming their heads of for a menu that just got a little bit bigger

Yeah...going from something that takes up roughly 10% of my screen space when I need to use it that shows all the information I need it to in a short concise list to something that takes 100% of my screen space and has obnoxious full screen animations, bright colors, and lots of other superfluous information on it is only "a little bigger".

I'm still with you on this...I think.

I left the comment "but given time if the OS is genuinely an improvement over the old, they'll switch over." open ended regarding Win 8. Only time will tell, so it could end up being the same with Metro as with what happened with the super bar, although I doubt it.

The Super bar doesn't cover 100% of my screen when I need to use it though.

Super bar - change done correctly, gracefully, and not forced

Metro Start Screen - change done poorly and forced

There is a world of difference in the design philosophies. Now I'm not saying the metro start screen is bad per se, it's just that they are forcing people to use it no matter what, if they want Win8.

[abysal]

How are you "sure steered" to the app store?

A Grammar mistake. However to further explain, since you can in theory only download Metro apps from the metro app store, that's how you are steered. Assuming that will in fact be the case.

oh ya my bad i read it wrong first.... so we're in agreement hooray! :p

it'll be successful with tablets I think...

Indeed :D Yeah I think it'll be great on a surface tablet.

[+Warwagon MVC]

In the default Windows 8 configuration, when you double click on an mp3 it opens the song FULL SCREEN in a Metro Music App. DEFAULT configuration!!!! WHO WANTS THAT!!!!!!??

I know you can change it to open up in whatever application you want, but its just the principle of the thing! It's stupid!

It just yells "TABLET OS THROWN ON A DESKTOP"!

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Funny how that Note application looks exactly like the one on the iPhone and the iPad. Way to go Microsoft.

The Quick Note application is something he installed from the store. It is not made by Microsoft.

[HawkMan]

What about the new way to turn off what is starting up with the PC. Now it's in the task manager and you can't use MSconfig (it says use the task manager)

. What I liked about Msconfig is that I could click at the top and use my arrow keys to navigate down the list and then press the space bar to turn off (uncheck) something starting with windows. Now I can't do that. Now I have to click disable next to each item. I like the old way better.

you where never supposed to use msconfig to turn of start up items. some people who thoughtnthemselves power users did it that way, but it's the wrong way and whenyou have stuff disabled there windows starts up in a sort of diagnostic mode during start up. the difference is negligible, but it's still not the correct way. the correct way was to grab autoruns or best keep it on a service stick, and use that. and since autoruns allows to do more than the win8 task manager, it's still the tool for the job.

[HawkMan]

In the default Windows 8 configuration, when you double click on an mp3 it opens the song FULL SCREEN in a Metro Music App. DEFAULT configuration!!!! WHO WANTS THAT!!!!!!??

I know you can change it to open up in whatever application you want, but its just the principle of the thing! It's stupid!

It just yells "TABLET OS THROWN ON A DESKTOP"!

actually, if ou have other programs installed that can open the file, whatever it is, the firs time,

(or next time after you install an app) you wil get a toast in the upper righ, saying ou have new programs that can open this file, and asking if you want to change.

so you're talking bs.

[Subhadip]

Needless to say, the Music app is an "App Preview" which has pretty much stolen the interface from Videos App Preview for the makeshift preview purposes. It is most certainly going to be change come RTM time. Same goes for pretty much all WinRT apps, some to more dramatic extents than others. All the way back at Build 2011, the focus and goal was clearly on getting solid apps out by RTM time, just before GA.

The whole philosophy with Metro UI is that it is something that works with mouse, keyboard, touch as well as touchless gestures. Use only mouse/kb and resist change? hate Metro? Don't use it! Stay on Desktop, use Windows Media Player or foobar or whatever, as always. It is really not a big deal.

[xWhiplash]

Use only mouse/kb and resist change? hate Metro?

So you are saying the fact that I use a keyboard and mouse that I am resisting change?

What can possible replace them even 10 years from now? I am a programmer, video producer, audio producer, and graphics artist. Nothing will be as good as a keyboard and mouse doing those things 8 hours every day.

I do not want to hold my hands up for 8 hours every day programming. I do not want to hold my hands up to select a part of the code just because we no longer have mice. They will not go anywhere.

[Calum Veteran]

[. . .]

Do this Video again and don't use the keyboard. Then we see a quite new result.

[. . .]

Why? Using the keyboard to operate Windows 8 allows users to be more productive than if they didn't use the keyboard. It's how Windows 8 was designed. Windows 7 was designed differently because it's a different operating system. If mouse and keyboard users wish to be more productive when using Windows 8, Microsoft have provided great keyboard shortcuts; if a user doesn't wish to use those keyboard shortcuts, they can't reasonably blame Microsoft for their lack of productivity.

[Dashel]

That's its Calum, where do you want to get sliced? I like how you conveniently just throw out the 'mouse' part when referring to mouse and keyboard users.

[ITFiend]

Actually I was wrong. I was looking at the Task Manager app, as opposed to the normal taskmgr "Windows Task Manager" app, which is still there. What was missing from the Task Manager app are the column view details and other options you get in the taskmgr app, but as long as their both there, I'm fine with that.

The old task manager is already fully removed from Server 2012. If it was still in Windows 8 RP, I doubt that will be the case come RTM.

Outside of the fact that the elevation and hide processes functions no longer exist, what exactly is missing from the new task manager that was in the old one?

[kachan64]

Nope!

A: I don't feel powerful when using a Metro styled app.

B: Sucks in gaming.

C: Slow as sheet and freezes as hell.

[+Warwagon MVC]

actually, if ou have other programs installed that can open the file, whatever it is, the firs time,

(or next time after you install an app) you wil get a toast in the upper righ, saying ou have new programs that can open this file, and asking if you want to change.

so you're talking bs.

Actually i'm not talking BS, i'm talking about the Out of the Box . This does not count OEM's PC's that may have already bundled different media players. I'm talking about a clean install. On Windows 7 it would open up by default Windows Media play (as it should be).

[ViperAFK]

What different UIs?

Metro screen and the classic desktop... Metro has its own control panel and settings, as does the classic desktop. Metro and classic interface have totally different ui paradigms, and I the easily confused computer illiterate types I often talk to will certainly be confused (even moreso than they already are :p ) with the "invisible" start button, gestures, hot corners and keyboard shortcuts.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Metro screen and the classic desktop... Metro has its own control panel and settings, as does the classic desktop. Metro and classic interface have totally different ui paradigms, and I the easily confused computer illiterate types I often talk to will certainly be confused (even moreso than they already are :p ) with the "invisible" start button, gestures, hot corners and keyboard shortcuts.

People don't seem to be having trouble with gestures on competing tablets. Why would they be a problem on Windows?

Keyboard shortcuts exist today, and will continue to serve the same segment of the population.

Clicking in the corner is the easiest thing you can possibly do with a mouse. Don't you think there have been endless usability studies (both short and long-term) of these changes with users of all different backgrounds and comfort levels?

And do you really think the learning curve here is more of a problem than it is on any given cell phone purchase the same person would make this year?

[Calum Veteran]

That's its Calum, where do you want to get sliced? I like how you conveniently just throw out the 'mouse' part when referring to mouse and keyboard users.

I didn't "throw out" the mouse part. A "mouse and keyboard" user has a keyboard. If they don't wish to use their keyboard, they can't reasonably blame Microsoft. That was my point.

[ViperAFK]

Clicking in the corner is the easiest thing you can possibly do with a mouse. Don't you think there have been endless usability studies (both short and long-term) of these changes with users of all different backgrounds and comfort levels?

you have no idea how computer illiterate the people I talk to every day are. They have trouble with everything and anything, including apple devices. Having two separate interfaces to switch between will make some of their heads implode :D many users can barely find the (currently visible) start button in windows 7.

And gestures on tablets are significantly more intuitive than MS's implementation of gestures with the mouse. I found metro gestures with the mouse were a pain in the ass and keyboard shortcuts were the only usable method. (many users I deal with can barely even comprehend the concept of a keyboard shortcut.)

[abysal]

The old task manager is already fully removed from Server 2012. If it was still in Windows 8 RP, I doubt that will be the case come RTM.

Outside of the fact that the elevation and hide processes functions no longer exist, what exactly is missing from the new task manager that was in the old one?

Additional column views & other right click options, along with the items you mentioned.

[Guest nicconics]

you have no idea how computer illiterate the people I talk to every day are. They have trouble with everything and anything, including apple devices. Having two separate interfaces to switch between will make some of their heads implode :D many users can barely find the (currently visible) start button in windows 7.

And gestures on tablets are significantly more intuitive than MS's implementation of gestures with the mouse. I found metro gestures with the mouse were a pain in the ass and keyboard shortcuts were the only usable method. (many users I deal with can barely even comprehend the concept of a keyboard shortcut.)

<smartass>

Well, IF their heads DO implode, there are going to be some pretty happy funeral directors, and the gene poll will end up becoming clearer since stupid people that cant figure out a simple key stroke will not be there to propagate. Hell, IF this happens, maybe the national deficit will be reduced to zero since the funeral directors will be able to prop up the economy with all the money they are going to make

</smartass>