Isn't Windows 8 the start of something great?

[Vice]

Metro is going to be a big flop. Look at the hate users had when Microsoft just put a glass pane around windows and changed the control panel layout (With Vista). Now they have got rid of the start menu that millions of people know how to use and replaced it with Metro where everything is hidden behind hot corners and swipes.

Public opinion of this OS is going to be dire. I've watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of average people using Windows 8 for the first time and none of them know how to use it. A lot of them can't even get passed the login screen and if they manage that they don't know how to launch apps or get the Metro screen back up to launch a different app that isn't pinned.

The whole thing is just a disaster from inception to execution.

[Knife Party]

to answer the OP -> sure if you think so, overall its a mess right now.

[trag3dy]

Metro is going to be a big flop. Look at the hate users had when Microsoft just put a glass pane around windows and changed the control panel layout (With Vista). Now they have got rid of the start menu that millions of people know how to use and replaced it with Metro where everything is hidden behind hot corners and swipes.

Public opinion of this OS is going to be dire. I've watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of average people using Windows 8 for the first time and none of them know how to use it. A lot of them can't even get passed the login screen and if they manage that they don't know how to launch apps or get the Metro screen back up to launch a different app that isn't pinned.

The whole thing is just a disaster from inception to execution.

But it has a mail, messaging, and weather app in FULL SCREEN. That's new and exciting right? That kind of thing has never been done before.

[Vice]

But it has a mail, messaging, and weather app in FULL SCREEN. That's new and exciting right?

You know it's funny but I can get Mail, Messaging and Weather on my 3.5" Smart Phone but apparently Microsoft thinks that's not good enough and wants to take that same information and put it on my 30" display in full screen. This is innovation apparently.

[Dot Matrix]

Metro is going to be a big flop. Look at the hate users had when Microsoft just put a glass pane around windows and changed the control panel layout (With Vista). Now they have got rid of the start menu that millions of people know how to use and replaced it with Metro where everything is hidden behind hot corners and swipes.

Public opinion of this OS is going to be dire. I've watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of average people using Windows 8 for the first time and none of them know how to use it. A lot of them can't even get passed the login screen and if they manage that they don't know how to launch apps or get the Metro screen back up to launch a different app that isn't pinned.

The whole thing is just a disaster from inception to execution.

You just kinda killed your own reply. People hated AERO at first, and the new Control Panel, but now they're complaining because AERO is going away, and they've adapted to the new layout of the Control Panel. Also, Metro has some killer features which I think users will love. Live tiles are going to be hard to beat.

[Vice]

You just kinda killed your own reply. People hated AERO at first, and the new Control Panel, but now they're complaining because AERO is going away, and they've adapted to the new layout of the Control Panel. Also, Metro has some killer features which I think users will love. Live tiles are going to be hard to beat.

I disagree with that. And I was wrong with the aero the control panel stuff. What I meant to say was people hated UAC. And with Windows 7, UAC was toned down considerably. I don't actually remember people having a problem with Aero or the Control Panel because you could set both to the classic style anyway.

I'm convinced that Windows 8 will be hated by the public though and will be the butt of jokes for years to come.

[Guest]

This day and age everything that?s different seems to be regarded as bad. I see friends automatically installing Firefox/Chrome without them being aware of IE9, I see friends going to Google instead of Bing.

Hmmm... considering that IE9 is the default, is it not fair to say that Chrome and Firefox are different, sort of nullifying your own point? Same with bing, isn't that IE9's default search?

Are you sure that you're friends are unaware of IE9? I mean, I don't know anyone that installed alternative browsers without knowing why they'd want to.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

I'm convinced that Windows 8 will be hated by the public though and will be the butt of jokes for years to come.

I might not go that far, but I think this rough beginning will last a while longer yet. People - maybe even myself - will come around to the idea eventually. Either that or they'll move to another OS, but I can't imagine those numbers being high enough to make Microsoft rethink their decision. More is the pity, in my opinion.

[dangel]

I disagree with that. And I was wrong with the aero the control panel stuff. What I meant to say was people hated UAC. And with Windows 7, UAC was toned down considerably.

Well it was made adjustable but, by default, it was still triggered by the same sort of things. What did happen though was that lots of software became compliant and therefore people got a lot less prompts. The work I did for UAC compliance in our software for Vista didn't need updating for 7.

I'm still keen to see what the desktop looks like in the release build next month - so far we're still using one that looks much like 7.

[Deihmos]

My main problem with Win 8 is how it makes things that were really quick and simple in Win 7 to require more steps. How do I add a shortcut to the desktop? Shutting down the PC requires a bunch of mouse clicks and no I don't use keyboard shortcuts. When the PC starts I am greeted by a wallpaper than needs to be pushed up like I am using a cell phone. Windows 8 is just ridiculous for a desktop if you ask me.

[Dot Matrix]

My main problem with Win 8 is how it makes things that were really quick and simple in Win 7 to require more steps. How do I add a shortcut to the desktop? Shutting down the PC requires a bunch of mouse clicks and no I don't use keyboard shortcuts. When the PC starts I am greeted by a wallpaper than needs to be pushed up like I am using a cell phone. Windows 8 is just ridiculous for a desktop if you ask me.

You haven't used it much, have you?

Problem 1: If an app supports it, a desktop shortcut will be placed automatically, otherwise, you'll have to browse to the Program's folder. You can also right click on its tile in the Start Screen and pin it to the taskbar.

Problem 2: Easily solved by pressing any key on the keyboard, or clicking the mouse.

[vcfan]

well people are suggesting that the user interface was made for tablets and touch and that using a keyboard and mouse is only used to emulate the touch experience. well i think people are dead wrong. the UI and winrt are not just for touch. thats what some people are misunderstanding. but until it is actually released,and all the software shows them this, they will continue to repeat the same nonesense over and over.

the app switcher at the left is just like the bar at the bottom in windows 7,except its hidden until you hover to the left corner

you can have 2 windows open at the same time. how many people have 3 windows opens at the same time ?

some apps will let you scroll horizontally instead of vertically, which is possible using the scroll bar on a mouse, whats the big deal?

i have a feeling all these whiners are just bitter android users who dont want to admit they like it because theyve spent considerable amounts of time down talking windows phone, and spent all their time promoting whatever android they have,and now to support windows 8 would be disrespect to their allegiance.

and mac fans will always be mac fans.

[trag3dy]

You know it's funny but I can get Mail, Messaging and Weather on my 3.5" Smart Phone but apparently Microsoft thinks that's not good enough and wants to take that same information and put it on my 30" display in full screen. This is innovation apparently.

Or just a tab in your web browser, the program that makes up for about 95% of use on most peoples pcs. No extra "apps" needed.

[PGHammer]

Metro is going to be a big flop. Look at the hate users had when Microsoft just put a glass pane around windows and changed the control panel layout (With Vista). Now they have got rid of the start menu that millions of people know how to use and replaced it with Metro where everything is hidden behind hot corners and swipes.

Public opinion of this OS is going to be dire. I've watched a bunch of videos on YouTube of average people using Windows 8 for the first time and none of them know how to use it. A lot of them can't even get passed the login screen and if they manage that they don't know how to launch apps or get the Metro screen back up to launch a different app that isn't pinned.

The whole thing is just a disaster from inception to execution.

The hate, Vice, is entirely due to it being different. No Start menu. Aero gone going forward. Touch support added.

It's a subjective/emotional and non-logical argument/opinion - which is why it can't be clearly expressed.

And when the illogic of that position is pointed out to them, the reaction is all too human - they get defensive.

I get part of it - there has been change - and a lot of it bad - since the launch of Windows 7 alone. An unchanged Windows 7 is comfort, *because* it hasn't changed.

[dangel]

You haven't used it much, have you?

There's stacks of people who've 'read' about it but not used it and and those who've used it briefly and couldn't be bothered to read anything telling them how it works. I struggled to begin with because things were different but with a little research I got the hang of it quite quickly. I had to do the same with my iPad 3 because there's stacks of 'non obvious' gestures for that too (and nothing to tell me about them). I don't agree with all the choices (can't see the point in removing the start button, but it's easy to add one yourself if you want) but I'm willing to give MS some time to pursue something new because Windows does need to change and move on.

Also, to be fair i've been using the DP and the CP full time at work and apart from the initial speed bump i'm perfectly happy using it. In fact, I now prefer it.

Weirdness.

[ccoltmanm]

Just like Vista this is a solid framework for the next iteration to scaffold off of. Bring it on in a polished state, and in 3 years, release a power house that is perfected (Vista - W7).

[Dot Matrix]

There's stacks of people who've 'read' about it but not used it and and those who've used it briefly and couldn't be bothered to read anything telling them how it works. I struggled to begin with because things were different but with a little research I got the hang of it quite quickly. I had to do the same with my iPad 3 because there's stacks of 'non obvious' gestures for that too (and nothing to tell me about them). I don't agree with all the choices (can't see the point in removing the start button, but it's easy to add one yourself if you want) but I'm willing to give MS some time to pursue something new because Windows does need to change and move on.

Also, to be fair i've been using the DP and the CP full time at work and apart from the initial speed bump i'm perfectly happy using it. In fact, I now prefer it.

Weirdness.

I struggled too, mainly due to the change, but also due to the roughness of the early builds. But so far in the RP, I'm pretty fluent, and quick to find things now.

[Noir Angel]

I don't see it going down all that well with the general public either. The average person is just going to boot it up and think "where the hell are my desktop and start menu". In essence, Microsoft are bastardising their products because their coders are apparently too lazy to create a different version for tablets.

[dangel]

I struggled too, mainly due to the change, but also due to the roughness of the early builds. But so far in the RP, I'm pretty fluent, and quick to find things now.

Yup, definitely fair - the DP was harder to use and they improved mouse targets considerably. That said i'm a keyboard junkie anyway and since they've added shedloads of shortcuts for power users i'm a happy bunny. Win + X :)

[Dot Matrix]

I don't see it going down all that well with the general public either. The average person is just going to boot it up and think "where the hell are my desktop and start menu". In essence, Microsoft are bastardising their products because their coders are apparently too lazy to create a different version for tablets.

:rolleyes:

[xWhiplash]

You guys need to realize something. You are asking general users to adopt change to a new UI paradigm and way of doing things. How many of those general users have jobs? How many of those general users will be using XP/Vista/7 still at that job? Sooner or later, general users ARE forced to upgrade (their computer died and need to get a new one). NOW are are asking general users to learn two different ways of doing things "just because"?

No, I really think Windows 8 will not do so well on the DESKTOP. IT support is going to be fun once Windows 8 is released. I remember trying to help somebody on the phone for 20 minutes trying to find the start menu at the bottom left. Some people just have very difficult time working with computers.

Windows 8 is a very inconsistent OS, and I know a few people that do not want to learn two ways of doing something (work and home). Note: They were able to use Windows 8 just fine, but they did not want to remember two ways of doing things. Ever since Windows 95, things have been pretty much the same. Now they are not.

[Daveski]

Not a fanboy either, but I see Windows 8 as the next Vista, for the most part.

Yes, but MS fixed Vista (eventually).

[SirEvan]

I see friends automatically installing Firefox/Chrome without them being aware of IE9

I don't know about your friends, but IE9 sucks. Sure, it supports add-ins finally, but most of the addons that I use are not available for it, plus Chrome is much faster, at least to me. The only reason I still use IE at all is because the certain individuals at my company don't know how to make our $500k+ enterprise app work on any other browser.

[Daveski]

I'm convinced that Windows 8 will be hated by the public though and will be the butt of jokes for years to come.

I have a feeling that you are right about this.

[+DKAngel Subscriber²]

BS... I've used every version of Windows, and ME was a giant **** show of epic proportions, mostly because it was dropped on computers without people being aware, and it's main feature was that it could BSOD in record time. With no explanation or support from MS, either, and many people had the option to use 2000 or ME at the time, which was like choosing between a pick-up truck or a dead horse, but since MS played the "oh, ME is better for home use" up, too many people went with it.

And, it wasn't even the worst of the Windows OSs. Vista was a complete disaster... I tried running it once years after it came out (during the Windows 7 beta), and hardware support for the PC I had built was the worst I've ever seen out of an OS (and that includes some random Linux distros).

Windows 8? It's actually pretty nice. And that's coming from someone who mostly uses Macs.

see now for me windows ME barely bluescreened and ran pretty well for me, also my old athlon x2 and all my hardware with it ran vista like a dream from day one, its all mixxed bags for everyone hell windows 98 was more unstable for me back on my amd pentium clone.

now with windows 8 i cant wait to play around with it =]