Malaysia Airlines 'loses contact with plane' (and search effort updates)

[Charisma Veteran]

Anyway, we can't possibly know less than we do now after finding and analysing it.

 

Starting to worry it's another false lead after this long stretch of silence.

[Hum]

^ Yep -- looks like the pinging has fizzled out.

 

 

Serious question, if the black box only records two hours,  what good will that for this flight?  

 

 

If the plane flew longer than two hours.  and it had to do because of depressurization and they passed out then there wont be any answers or talking.  

 

 

Engines wind down,  "Sink rate...Sink rate" (Maybe depending on speed),  then Terrain Pull Up,  Terrain Pull up"  

 

**end of recording**

 

Now if the other one records the whole flight then at least they'll know when something happened.

 

 

It could answer the question if this was some plan of the Captain's or if hijackers took over.

 

The flight data could answer if it was a controlled landing in the sea, so as to avoid break-up, and a debris field.

 

Someone may have wanted this 777 jet to simply disappear.

[Richteralan]

voice data helps, but the money is on the flight data. Also a month as passed, hopefully this wont be another Amelia Earhart case.

As far as I know, there won't be any useful voice data in the recorder because it's already over-written.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

It's scary that after all this time, they still don't know where the wreckage is. I truly feel sorry for the people aboard Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and their friends/loved ones. :(

[FloatingFatMan]

As far as I know, there won't be any useful voice data in the recorder because it's already over-written.

 

Given the level of technology we have, it's ridiculous that the voice recorder can only record 2 hours... They should be able to store days worth of voice data on even a modest sized hard drive, and harden it sufficiently to protect it from damage or erasure.

[philcruicks]

Given the level of technology we have, it's ridiculous that the voice recorder can only record 2 hours... They should be able to store days worth of voice data on even a modest sized hard drive, and harden it sufficiently to protect it from damage or erasure.

You have to remember that this planes is fairly old...777-200's have been produced since 1993...back then a large HDD was what..16GB and probably wasn't all that reliable (compared with modern day).

 

Now this plane is newer, 2002 I believe.

However the Black boxes don't use HDD's (might not withstand a crash), but rather they use flash memory...now what was flash in 2002....maybe a 128MB USB drive was about as big as you could get... now that's not really all that much.

 

Personally I agree with you, I'm surprised that the black boxes haven't been upgraded over the years...but going on the logic that they've not, then actually its not that much of a surprise that 2hours is the max.

[Bertch]

Is it always recording or only recording when someone is talking?  Two hours of talking should have more information than two hours of just listening to the cockpit.

[Dinggus]

I hope it does too. The families of the passengers deserve some type of resolution, even if it's going to come with bad news.

 

What do you mean they need some type of resolution? They are dead. Isn't that enough?

[Dane]

Is it always recording or only recording when someone is talking?  Two hours of talking should have more information than two hours of just listening to the cockpit.

 

It should have the sounds from the cockpit too,  these sounds are important.   If no one is talking it still records.  

 

They'll be able to hear any audible warnings that went off.  Other sounds that can be heard in the cockpit, alarms, stick rattles ( As was the case in another flight, they were able to tell the stick was shaking the whole way down, I cannot recall the flight though).      

[Bertch]

It should have the sounds from the cockpit too,  these sounds are important.   If no one is talking it still records.  

 

They'll be able to hear any audible warnings that went off.  Other sounds that can be heard in the cockpit, alarms, stick rattles ( As was the case in another flight, they were able to tell the stick was shaking the whole way down, I cannot recall the flight though).      

 

Ah ok, I guess that makes sense... They better start upgrading the flash memory as others have said then.

[Hum]

What do you mean they need some type of resolution? They are dead. Isn't that enough?

There is no proof of that yet.

 

The jet could have landed, safely somewhere. ;)

[Louisifer]

As far as I know, there won't be any useful voice data in the recorder because it's already over-written.

It's the last 2 hours of audio leading up to the accident that are recorded, once the accident happens and there's no more audio input to record those 2 hours wont be overwritten.

[Dinggus]

There is no proof of that yet.

 

The jet could have landed, safely somewhere. ;)

 

I truly doubt that.

But, I guess false hope is better than no hope.

[Hum]

Would be hilarious if flight MH370 rolled in to Beijing, like nothing happened.

[Dane]

Ah ok, I guess that makes sense... They better start upgrading the flash memory as others have said then.

I think after this they may really do it.   It isn't cost issue,  throw a SSD in there, or i think they use flash.  Flash memory cards are not that much anymore.  You could literally have the entire flight on there.  

[spacer]

What do you mean they need some type of resolution? They are dead. Isn't that enough?

In all likelihood, yes they are probably dead. I would imagine the families have begun to accept that. However, it is still the case that those families are desperate to know HOW and WHY their loved ones are gone; not just that they ARE gone. Which was the whole "resolution" part of my post.

[Richteralan]

What do you mean they need some type of resolution? They are dead. Isn't that enough?

This is so lack of compassion.

 

The passengers are probably dead. But can we find out what caused it and prevent similar "accident" from happening in the future? This is "some type of resolution." It also called learning from mistake/experience. 

 

But I'm sure your tone will be opposite if your family members is on that flight.

[Dinggus]

In all likelihood, yes they are probably dead. I would imagine the families have begun to accept that. However, it is still the case that those families are desperate to know HOW and WHY their loved ones are gone; not just that they ARE gone. Which was the whole "resolution" part of my post.

 

 

This is so lack of compassion.

 

The passengers are probably dead. But can we find out what caused it and prevent similar "accident" from happening in the future? This is "some type of resolution." It also called learning from mistake/experience. 

 

But I'm sure your tone will be opposite if your family members is on that flight.

 

Plane crashed, that's what caused the death. Reason for it crashing, seems like it probably ran out of fuel.

 

If I had a family member on the flight, I would most likely grieve for a few days then move on like I always do. Part of life.

[ANON86364]

Plane crashed, that's what caused the death. Reason for it crashing, seems like it probably ran out of fuel.

 

If I had a family member on the flight, I would most likely grieve for a few days then move on like I always do. Part of life.

Oh so you found it? Running out of fuel is not a cause.

 

How you deal with losses is not what matters at all.

[bonalste]

Hopefully we will find out something soon. This really is getting beyond a joke.

[Dinggus]

Oh so you found it? Running out of fuel is not a cause.

 

How you deal with losses is not what matters at all.

 

Yeah, it's in the Indian Ocean. Running out of fuel is not a cause, then what is?

 

Obviously it sounds like alot of people can't handle losing a loved one. But, I was just responded to his comment "But I'm sure your tone will be opposite if your family members is on that flight."

[FloatingFatMan]

Yeah, it's in the Indian Ocean. Running out of fuel is not a cause, then what is?

 

Obviously it sounds like alot of people can't handle losing a loved one. But, I was just responded to his comment "But I'm sure your tone will be opposite if your family members is on that flight."

 

The cause is whatever caused the flight to be in the Indian Ocean in the first place.  And he's right. If you'd lost a loved one, you would NOT be going "oh well, they're dead."  Not unless you're some kind of sociopath.

[DocM]

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26950387

Teams searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have reacquired signals that could be consistent with "black box" flight recorders.

An Australian vessel heard the signals again on Tuesday afternoon and evening, the search chief said.

Signals heard earlier have also been further analysed by experts who concluded they were from "specific electronic equipment", he said.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March, carrying 239 people.

It was travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it lost contact with air traffic controllers.

Malaysian officials say that based on satellite date, they believe it ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean, thousands of kilometres from its intended flight path.

'Clear signal'

The Australian vessel, Ocean Shield, has been towing a pinger locator to listen for signals from the plane's flight recorders in waters west of the Australian city of Perth.

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[philcruicks]

A good graphic from the BBC on the underwater search area and its terrain.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26923235

[Richteralan]

Yeah, it's in the Indian Ocean. Running out of fuel is not a cause, then what is?

 

Obviously it sounds like alot of people can't handle losing a loved one. But, I was just responded to his comment "But I'm sure your tone will be opposite if your family members is on that flight."

For starters, the MH370 is suppose to head to Beijing, not Indian Ocean.