Neowin's NHL 2004 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

[Stinky Newb]

I need a new sig now

u can use mine

[CatnipOligarchy]

Congratulations to the Tampa Bay Lightning - 2004 Stanley Cup Champions

heres hoping there is an nhl season next year

[Hogwashy]

bettman has ****ed the hell out of every true hockey fan

hockey belongs in canada, where it a sport played for the love of the game, not for money

in 90 there were like 24 teams, 8 being canadian

since then, we lost quebec and winnipeg to pathetic american cities like colorado and phoenix

clearly there was a consipiracy against calgary these playoffs. in game 6 simon touches st louis and st louis dives, we get a penalty to take on the leagues best power play. 1 minute into the game in game 5 its all of a sudden 5 on 3, and 1-0 for tampa. agreed one was a penalty (commodore i think in front of the net) but the other, the ref could have easily - EASILY given coincidental minors to both clark and modin. instead, 2 minute 5 on 3.

but the most horrible thing ive ever seen in the nhl was game 6 6 minutes left and calgary gets robbed of the stanley cup. gelinas scores a goal, and they decline it passed the line when it so obviously went in. calgary was robbed of the cup

and then what ****es me off even more is that americans think they are better at hockey than canada, because american teams have won the last 10 times. how ignorant does one have to be to not see that 80% of the players on their teams are canadian. when canada doesnt win a gold medal, we never hear the end of it. i wish each countyr could really deliver the best players they have for the worlds. canada could easily assemble like 6 teams that are amazing, but its just 20 players that get to go..

calgary was robbed of the cup in game 6

[ctebah]

yes, that was a goal. it went in and calgary should have won.

great 7 game though, have to give credit to both teams though.

i thank calgary though, for getting me hooked on hockey, I saw what the least favorite team can do. if only detroit would follow the same steps and win nba championship.

[Steven]

bettman has ****ed the hell out of every true hockey fan

hockey belongs in canada, where it a sport played for the love of the game, not for money

in 90 there were like 24 teams, 8 being canadian

since then, we lost quebec and winnipeg to pathetic american cities like colorado and phoenix

clearly there was a consipiracy against calgary these playoffs. in game 6 simon touches st louis and st louis dives, we get a penalty to take on the leagues best power play. 1 minute into the game in game 5 its all of a sudden 5 on 3, and 1-0 for tampa. agreed one was a penalty (commodore i think in front of the net) but the other, the ref could have easily - EASILY given coincidental minors to both clark and modin. instead, 2 minute 5 on 3.

but the most horrible thing ive ever seen in the nhl was game 6 6 minutes left and calgary gets robbed of the stanley cup. gelinas scores a goal, and they decline it passed the line when it so obviously went in. calgary was robbed of the cup

and then what ****es me off even more is that americans think they are better at hockey than canada, because american teams have won the last 10 times. how ignorant does one have to be to not see that 80% of the players on their teams are canadian. when canada doesnt win a gold medal, we never hear the end of it. i wish each countyr could really deliver the best players they have for the worlds. canada could easily assemble like 6 teams that are amazing, but its just 20 players that get to go..

calgary was robbed of the cup in game 6

Need a box of tissues or a hanky? :rolleyes:

[SeaClearly]

bettman has ****ed the hell out of every true hockey fan

hockey belongs in canada, where it a sport played for the love of the game, not for money

in 90 there were like 24 teams, 8 being canadian

since then, we lost quebec and winnipeg to pathetic american cities like colorado and phoenix

clearly there was a consipiracy against calgary these playoffs.  in game 6 simon touches st louis and st louis dives, we get a penalty to take on the leagues best power play.  1 minute into the game in game 5 its all of a sudden 5 on 3, and 1-0 for tampa.  agreed one was a penalty (commodore i think in front of the net) but the other, the ref could have easily - EASILY given coincidental minors to both clark and modin.  instead, 2 minute 5 on 3.

but the most horrible thing ive ever seen in the nhl was game 6 6 minutes left and calgary gets robbed of the stanley cup.  gelinas scores a goal, and they decline it passed the line when it so obviously went in.  calgary was robbed of the cup

and then what ****es me off even more is that americans think they are better at hockey than canada, because american teams have won the last 10 times.  how ignorant does one have to be to not see that 80% of the players on their teams are canadian.  when canada doesnt win a gold medal, we never hear the end of it.  i wish each countyr could really deliver the best players they have for the worlds.  canada could easily assemble like 6 teams that are amazing, but its just 20 players that get to go..

calgary was robbed of the cup in game 6

So you saw all that but didn't see all the stuff your Flames did to us. Both teams did stupid things but if you look at the whole series Tampa had more stuff either called against them that shouldn't have been and stuff that flat out just wasn't called. Now with my HDTivo I didn't see that puck go into the net at all and the SDTV crap TV picture you saw did have an illusion that showed it being in but that was an illusion and the fact is the NHL had better quality video to look at and a better angle and they saw what I saw and it look like the whole puck didn't go into the net and they saw the same thing. It is a known issue with these illusions happening but in HDTV you will notice that it wasn't a goal. The fact is you didn't score and you had the rest of the game to score and the first overtime and double overtime and game 7 and if Tampa isn't the best team than why didn't you have any problem winning in OT or in Game 7 and lets remember that the flames had quite a few game winning game 7 series this playoffs so might I just say that the Flames were just lucky to get here. The bolts didn't get to a game 7 until the Philly game and they proved themselves there and did even more so with the Flames.

The fact is that Tampa has more of a reason to complain about calls being called that shouldn't be or calls not being called for Tampa that should have been. I also think and can prove by just watching these games that the Flames played very dirty all 7 games and got away with quite a bit and Tampa overcame this as well.

Oh and just so you know Europe played hockey for just as many years as Canada and this isn't Canada's sport even though its considered that and they didn't invent hockey because its been played for hundreds of years in other countries besides Canada including the USA so lets quit this BS. If anything the NHL did everything they could to give the Flames a chance and not the other way around.

[ctebah]

all I know is that canadians invented hockey and they invented NHL.

[mattmatik]

Haha...what's funny is this is exactly how I feel about the NBA. Whenever the damn Lakers win, I feel like it's a conspiracy and that the other team was robbed solely so the Lakers can win a championship.

Why would the NHL even consider siding with Tampa when most Americans could give a flying FBOMB about hockey? It's true. Granted, all of you here, including me, love the sport, but it's just like soccer...NOBODY CARES. So, don't you think the NHL would rather have all you Canadian folk up there happy and warm and fuzzy and side with the Flames?

And a previous post said it all: Calgary had a chance in Game 6, at home, to win in 2 OTs. They also had a chance in Game 7...just like the Timberwolves and the Spurs and the...Pistons? Yeah, see a coincidence?

By the way...I still feel there's a conspiracy in the NBA :devil:

[SeaClearly]

all I know is that canadians invented hockey and they invented NHL.

Canada did not invent hockey period. The game was played long before in many places. Now the NHL is called the National Hockey League not the Canadian Hockey League so if you want to keep saying this say it somewhere else. My other question is why wasn't all this drama talked about with the last 3 american teams that won the Stanley Cup. Why not talk about them. Why just now the Lighning. I didn't hear one thing about last years Stanley Cup winners being an american team and how they stold it from Canada. How does it go from the NJ Devils not stealing Canada's glory but the Lighning stealing it since its Canada's sport. Granted the Ducks are a US team as well but you could say that since Canada didn't make it too the Stanley Cup finals that the USA stold the cup from them. This really gets old and very selective on your parts. Just like the Buccaneers winning the Superbowl we still didn't get any respect at all and I promise you that if the Eagles won that Superbowl that year they would have been praised and if the Flyers won the Stanley Cup this year they would have been praised as well and this I promise you would happen and that is what ****es me off. I know for a fact that the Flames were very lucky to beat the Red Wings and you would not have beat the Flyers and you didn't beat us so either way you would have lost because the Flyers are a hitting and somewhat dirty team and would have just killed the Flames much quicker than Tampa could because our style isn't hitting but playing and being tough so we had more trouble but we can win that way because we did the last two series. But I wonder if all you would have said that the Flyers stold the Stanley Cup from Canada if they beat the Flames. Its in philly with snow and a history of hockey and sports in general so I don't think anyone would care. I think Tampa never gets credit and with Tampa never having snow nor ice that didn't help our stance either but we still outplayed ourselves and the teams we faced.

But for the most part people only pick and choose what they want to think and believe and right now this is just sad for hockey fans in general to see this.

[SeaClearly]

Haha...what's funny is this is exactly how I feel about the NBA. Whenever the damn Lakers win, I feel like it's a conspiracy and that the other team was robbed solely so the Lakers can win a championship.

Why would the NHL even consider siding with Tampa when most Americans could give a flying FBOMB about hockey? It's true. Granted, all of you here, including me, love the sport, but it's just like soccer...NOBODY CARES. So, don't you think the NHL would rather have all you Canadian folk up there happy and warm and fuzzy and side with the Flames?

And a previous post said it all: Calgary had a chance in Game 6, at home, to win in 2 OTs. They also had a chance in Game 7...just like the Timberwolves and the Spurs and the...Pistons? Yeah, see a coincidence?

By the way...I still feel there's a conspiracy in the NBA :devil:

Exactly the way I feel. Great post and I give this a 10. Why the hell would the NHL want Tampa to win over the Flames. That is the question these Flames people should answer.

[Callaway]

quite a few flames fans flaming the ning... maybe it's in their nature to be a bunch of flamers :shifty:

[Steffan]

:o

Tampabay Tribune put an article in the paper saying that the Lightning lost game 7 in today's paper.

[SeaClearly]

Well at least the St. Pete Times didn't screw their newspaper up but on the other hand they did screw up the Yankees game at the end of that article. I think at that time the St. Pete Times owned and printed the New York Post or at least they do now since I got a free two weeks of it but to be honest the Post is a product that I would rather wipe my arse with than read. Now I will say this much the St. Pete Times looks like a real paper whereas the Tribune looks like a kid made it. The St. Pete Times uses much better wider paper, better ink and most of all they have better writers but sadly to say the service hasn't been what it used to be since the last couple of years. My paper has got wet, missed, thrown under my car and a few other places I can't remember like a bush or two. I'm almost tempted to buy it at the box but the box has been getting loaded even later than my home delivery. Plus I hate leaving my gate open for the news paper and they guy keeps saying he can't throw it over my gate but a women did this for years. This guy won't be getting my 200 buck tip this year no way.

[BroChaos Veteran]

congrats to calgary and tampa bay. this is how hockey should be. did you guys see the series stats. both goalies 157 saves. total goals allowed was like 14 for calgary, and 13 for tampa bay. game 7 was a 1 goal game. it doesn't get any closer than this. and that third period was insane, i was going crazy, and i didn't even care who won. that open net save by khabibuhlin was one of the best saves i've ever seen. i'm glad andreychuck got his cup. he deserved it more than any other player out there. wonder when he's gonna retire...

man, i just love when they bring the cup out...gives my goosebumps just seeing it. my eyes actually teared up when dave lifted that cup...such a great moment in sports.

[Coolme]

So you saw all that but didn't see all the stuff your Flames did to us.  Both teams did stupid things but if you look at the whole series Tampa had more stuff either called against them that shouldn't have been and stuff that flat out just wasn't called.  Now with my HDTivo I didn't see that puck go into the net at all and the SDTV crap TV picture you saw did have an illusion that showed it being in but that was an illusion and the fact is the NHL had better quality video to look at and a better angle and they saw what I saw and it look like the whole puck didn't go into the net and they saw the same thing.  It is a known issue with these illusions happening but in HDTV you will notice that it wasn't a goal.  The fact is you didn't score and you had the rest of the game to score and the first overtime and double overtime and game 7 and if Tampa isn't the best team than why didn't you have any problem winning in OT or in Game 7 and lets remember that the flames had quite a few game winning game 7 series this playoffs so might I just say that the Flames were just lucky to get here.  The bolts didn't get to a game 7 until the Philly game and they proved themselves there and did even more so with the Flames.

The fact is that Tampa has more of a reason to complain about calls being called that shouldn't be or calls not being called for Tampa that should have been.  I also think and can prove by just watching these games that the Flames played very dirty all 7 games and got away with quite a bit and Tampa overcame this as well.

Oh and just so you know Europe played hockey for just as many years as Canada and this isn't Canada's sport even though its considered that and they didn't invent hockey because its been played for hundreds of years in other countries besides Canada including the USA so lets quit this BS.  If anything the NHL did everything they could to give the Flames a chance and not the other way around.

ARE U TELLING ME THAT THE PUCK DIDN'T GO IN???!!!

BTW, in the beginning of the season, did ANYONE think tampa was going to be a serious contender for the cup? Playoffs? Maybe. Cup? No.

GAME 1 - Cory Stillman hit Marcus Nilson on the EAR. (Head shot)

RIGHT AFTER that hit, there was a scrum, Ville Nieminen was given a HEAD SHOT.

SHEAN DONOVAN was hit with the END of a HOCKEY STICK in the FACE!!

Game 5- Shean Donovan (A dominate player in the flames team) had his leg injured because a tampa player decided to GRAB his LEG and FALL ON IT!! (He too fast for them to contain)

I could go on and on and on....

but you know what? We know the game, and we know that we were not favoured to win and this is just to tell you that Tampa bitch and whine while Calgary just shut up and move on. Think of it this way, what if the close call for Calgary happened to Tampa or Phili and it cost them the cup? Would they bitch and whine like hell?

The only reason that I am bitching and whining is that I want to show you that Tampa is just as dirty as Calgary if not more. And for the fact that you dissed CANADA.

CANADIANS invented the following sports: Hockey, Basketball

HOCKEY WAS INVENTED BY PLAYING AN IRISH GAME ON ICE. The irish didn't play their game on ice, WE were the FIRST ones to do it.

The russians use DRUGS for a while, that's why they were winners in hockey for a while.

Did you know that OVER HALF of the players of the NHL is from Canada?

CAN- 13

(VINCENT LECAVALIER, JASSEN CULLIMORE, CHRIS DINGMAN, BRAD RICHARDS, CORY SARICH, DAN BOYLE, DAVE ANDREYCHUK, MARTIN ST. LOUIS, TIM TAYLOR, BRAD LUKOWICH, DARREN RUMBLE, NOLAN PRATT, CORY STILLMAN)

USA- 3

(BEN CLYMER, ANDRE ROY, JOHN GRAHAME)

RUS- 3

(ALEXANDER SVITOV, DIMITRY AFANASENKOV, NIKOLAI KHABIBULIN)

UKR- 1

(RUSLAN FEDOTENKO)

SWE- 1

(FREDRIK MODIN)

SVK- 1

(MARTIN CIBAK)

FIN- 1

(JANNE LAUKKANEN)

CZE- 1

(PAVEL KUBINA)

L O O K A G A I N !!!!!!!

Edited June 8, 2004 by Coolme

[Ayepecks]

ARE U TELLING ME THAT THE PUCK DIDN'T GO IN???!!!

BTW, in the beginning of the season, did ANYONE think tampa was going to be a seriuos contender for the cup? Playoffs? Maybe. Cup? No.

CANADIANS invented the following sports: Hockey, Basketball

The russians use DRUGS for a while, that's why they were winners in hockey for a while.

Did you know that OVER HALF of the players of the NHL is from Canada?

Over half of Tampa's line-up is from CANADA

L O O K  A G A I N !!!!!!!

I thought they were going to the finals. I thought so last year, too, but they didn't have a good year last year, even if they did make it. I think I was one of the few people who believed it.

Stop bitching about it, though. What's done is done. It doesn't even mean for sure that they would have won the game -- you can't say it for sure, so don't talk like they would have for sure.

Don't think it's a birth right that just because a sport is popular in your country means you have the best teams. **** happens. Deal with it. So what if over half of Tampa Bay's players are from Canada? What is your point?! The teams are not, so get the hell over it. What on Earth is your point if they're Canadian? It's a team, not a race.

Also, it's been pretty much agreed upon by most (except Canadians, for obvious reasons) that either the English or Irish invented hockey.

[-=SD=-]

BTW, in the beginning of the season, did ANYONE think tampa was going to be a serious contender for the cup? Playoffs? Maybe. Cup? No.

I did, figured they would be going against Detroit though, sadly Detroit lost and because Calgary beat them I wanted Tampa to win ;)

[o_87]

Seriosuly get over the non-goal in Game 6. It's over, and it's been awesome.

[xplatinum]

I thought they were going to the finals. I thought so last year, too, but they didn't have a good year last year, even if they did make it. I think I was one of the few people who believed it.

Stop bitching about it, though. What's done is done. It doesn't even mean for sure that they would have won the game -- you can't say it for sure, so don't talk like they would have for sure.

Don't think it's a birth right that just because a sport is popular in your country means you have the best teams. **** happens. Deal with it. So what if over half of Tampa Bay's players are from Canada? What is your point?! The teams are not, so get the hell over it. What on Earth is your point if they're Canadian? It's a team, not a race.

Also, it's been pretty much agreed upon by most (except Canadians, for obvious reasons) that either the English or Irish invented hockey.

1. You are right, even if it was indeed a goal, its over and its a waste of time to continue to argue about it.

2.

Also, it's been pretty much agreed upon by most (except Canadians, for obvious reasons) that either the English or Irish invented hockey.

Early to mid-1800s:

Ice hockey as we know it is first played in either Windsor, Nova Scotia, Kingston, Ontario or Montreal, Quebec, depending on who you believe and how you read the evidence.

http://proicehockey.about.com/library/bltimelinea.htm

Hockey wasn't really "invented."

A similar sport started in Ireland as the sport of Hurley. Canadians played it on ice. This happened in Nova Scotia in the 1800's. It was called Ice Hurley for quite some time and then people started to call it ice hockey.

Of course, there are other stories. Some say the MicMac indians played a form of hockey in Nova Scotia when the Europeans arrived.

http://www.faqfarm.com/Sports/Hockey/2887

[mecca]

Pitty flames lost :(

[Stinky Newb]

ARE U TELLING ME THAT THE PUCK DIDN'T GO IN???!!!

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L O O K  A G A I N !!!!!!!

this is all i see in that post^ how about you guys?

[BroChaos Veteran]

the goal in game 6 was pretty sketchy. did they ever figure out if it was even reviewed? kinda reminds me of the screwup with the stars and sabres a few years back....

[CoLdFuSi0n]

yea the series is over with now, who cares about that goal in game 6.

hehe i like my signature now hehehe.

[Steffan]

looking at the picture a couple of times, if the puck stop where its at, then its not a goal. the rules says that the entire puck must past the goal (red) line before its counted as a goal. I didnt see the game, so I dont know what all happened. I guess I had to see the game and the replays they showed on ABC. the series is over, so its a non issue now. just remember the refs are humans like us so they mistakes like us.

[o_87]

We'll be back next year ;) And win it...