Terrorists Suspend Laws of Physics!

[Fozzieb]

I agree with this guy, no way could it fall on it's own, I also find it odd that the city of new yorks underground system needed replaced due to increase in traffic, but the could not do anything because of the cost, the amount of cables and pipes for all the building that were behind the subway walls and under the streets (just a few feet). Now the city of new york does not have to worry about it anymore as the country will pick up the tab as it was mosty destroyed in the "attack".

[BOOGMaster]

I agree with this guy, no way could it fall on it's own, I also find it odd that the city of new yorks underground system needed replaced due to increase in traffic, but the could not do anything because of the cost, the amount of cables and pipes for all the building that were behind the subway walls and under the streets (just a few feet). Now the city of new york does not have to worry about it anymore as the country will pick up the tab as it was mosty destroyed in the "attack".

Unbelievable. Simply unbelieveable. 3000 + people die - and you yell government conspiracy.

Have your head checked. :wacko:

[GNRambo]

Well, i don't believe that the pentegon was act of terrorism, CONSPIRISY!!!!, a plane with a 50 foot wing pan cannot make such a small hole, about 20ft wide. I think it was a shoulder mounted rocket

[mAcOdIn Veteran]

Well, i don't believe that the pentegon was act of terrorism, CONSPIRISY!!!!, a plane with a 50 foot wing pan cannot make such a small hole, about 20ft wide. I think it was a shoulder mounted rocket

That's one hell of a shoulder fired rocket then. A LAW wouldn't do that nor a RPG or AT-4, a Javelin couldn't either, what kind of shoulder fired rocket are we talking now? It'd have to be something like a shoulder fired peacemaker missile to do that kind of damage.

In short it was not a shoulder fired rocket.

[PlagueWielder3k]

While I do agree that the whole attack on the 2 building was a terrorist attack Im heavely questioning the incident that happened with the Pentagon.. I mean, where did the plane go? You cant make a plane that big just disappear and it definitely wasnt destroyed in the crash totally.

mAcOdIn, maybe it was a jet that fired a missle?

[BOOGMaster]

While I do agree that the whole attack on the 2 building was a terrorist attack Im heavely questioning the incident that happened with the Pentagon.. I mean, where did the plane go? You cant make a plane that big just disappear and it definitely wasnt destroyed in the crash totally.

mAcOdIn, maybe it was a jet that fired a missle?

yes. that's it. A U.S. plane blew up the pentagon, only moments after the al queida terrorists blew up the trade centers.

:blink:

[PlagueWielder3k]

An who exactly said that it was a US plane?

Do you have any other explanations to where the plane body went? It was a pretty big plane which made a damn small hole in the building... Might be hard to believe but its possible.. especially with Bush there.

Anyway, dont jump to conclusions.

Holy sh*t dude, you replied to every post in this forum???? You should really get off your computer and go outside more often.

[BOOGMaster]

An who exactly said that it was a US plane?

Do you have any other explanations to where the plane body went? It was a pretty big plane which made a damn small hole in the building... Might be hard to believe but its possible.. especially with Bush there.

Anyway, dont jump to conclusions.

Holy sh*t dude, you replied to every post in this forum???? You should really get off your computer and go outside more often.

okay then. a foreign fighter jet broke into US airspace and dive bombed the pentagon. yay. nice theory.

[PlagueWielder3k]

Ok, so you think it was a terrorist attack right? Where did the plane go? Why was the hole in the wall so small compared to the giant plane? Doesnt the Pentagon have missles that protect its air space? How come the plane wasnt shot down before impact? Answer these questions and maybe Ill believe you.

[markwolfe Veteran]

Ok, so you think it was a terrorist attack right?  Where did the plane go?  Why was the hole in the wall so small compared to the giant plane?  Doesnt the Pentagon have missles that protect its air space?  How come the plane wasnt shot down before impact?  Answer these questions and maybe Ill believe you.

Against my better judgement, I'll enter this thread briefly... :unsure:

A plane heading into a building isn't all that big. Looking at it head-on, it is basically a skinny cylinder. The tail and wings are made of aluminum, and are pretty skinny, too, when viewed head on.

The entire plane body is made of aluminum. Pretty soft and malleable. Slamming into a concrete structure near cruising speed would SHRED the thing, for the most part. That, and the heat from the fireball would work to not leave a huge plane fuselage lying about. There are photos that show some plane wreckage, if you look about for them.

It's just that the plane did NOT try to crash-land safely in grass (where you see wreckage in news footage). It hit head-on into a large concrete structure.

[BOOGMaster]

Ok, so you think it was a terrorist attack right? Where did the plane go? Why was the hole in the wall so small compared to the giant plane? Doesnt the Pentagon have missles that protect its air space? How come the plane wasnt shot down before impact? Answer these questions and maybe Ill believe you.

ok.

Ok, so you think it was a terrorist attack right? Where did the plane go?

into the building. See the hole? It crashed into the building.

Photos

pay close attention to photo 13.

Why was the hole in the wall so small compared to the giant plane?

read this:

Army General

Doesnt the Pentagon have missles that protect its air space?

http://www.fas.org/news/usa/2001/usa-010710.htm

missle test facilities, yes. On site, no.

come the plane wasnt shot down before impact?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/...ain310721.shtml

because it was a hyjacked US airliner.

happy?

[PlagueWielder3k]

Actually, NO, Im not happy.

In all those pictures there is only one picture with a little piece of metal that doesnt have to come from the plane.

About the hole. If you look at it, it looks like the nose of the plane got into the building and it stopped at the wings. How come the wings didnt do any damage to the buildings and where are they? Aliens took them? Where is the rest of the body? BTW I didnt read that page because its too long, care to sum it up?

About the plane being hit before impact. Well I dont believe that either. Since the US government will do just about anything in the world to protect their President I dont understand why they just let a plane that big crash into a building where their whole government people work.. might be even the most important building for the government. But then again, maybe there was no plane?

One more thing. How come there is no video of the crash (unless I didnt see it..). I mean, the Pentagon must have a big number of cameras outside.

[duhk]

there's a security camera video, but all that there is of it is a gif. It's on this web page, http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/m18h05.html

[1337.g4M3R]

Anyone who thinks the twin towers could not fall after being hit by two planes is obviously ill informed about how buildings work.

I have studied structural engineering at university and have as a case study, covered the twin towers collapse in great deal.

Put simply, anyone who knows ANYTHING about steel frame structures knows how poor they perform in fire compared to a reinforced or in-situ concrete frame. An ordinary warehouse which is constructed from a steel frame which has been in a fire will not melt, but become plastic and thus not capable of holding any load.

The floors of the WTC were constructed using a techinque called truss flooring. Experiments show that even if one of these trusses is not adequately protected, then the whole floor will fail.

Once one floor has failed, the effect of "progressive strucutural collapse" will take place which basically means that once one floor has fallen onto the one below, the weight of it is too much for it to carry and thus it too collapses. Therefore resulting in the collaspe of the building as a whole.

I know for a fact that the WTC would collapse from the hit of those planes alone. What i am less sure of it the fact the the us government knew nothing about it before it happened.

[duhk]

wow, you're like the smartest person ever, OMG.

[PlagueWielder3k]

At least he knows what he is talking about unlike most people here.

[duhk]

but what he said is obvious, so i guess you can say he knows, but so does a lot of other people.

[PlagueWielder3k]

So how come you were questioning everything that he said earlier in the thread? As well as many others here? You were saying that its not possible that the impact alone could make the building collapse.

[duhk]

got damnit, read the posts, you don't seem to be reading the posts, if you are, you need to go to school. he says, that when floor trusses fail, and when that floor fails and falls on top of the floor below, it's inevitable that it won't stop falling, cuz of the weight and momentum of the floors above it. This information is obvious information. I don't disagree with this. I disagree with wat caused the floors to fail in the first place. Learn to read plague, really learn how to read.

[1337.g4M3R]

a bit more info about why the floors would fail:

the trusses of the floor structure were sprayed with a fire protective coat of cement based product which would shield it in the event of a fire, and should ensure that the floor maintains its fire integrity rating (ie it will last a certain amount of time before failing).

as important as it is that it is applied in the first place, is the fact that it has to be well maintained throughout it's life. maintenance photographs of the floor trusses in the world trade centre show that the floor was not well maintained and gaps were present in the fire protective coating.

once heat has reached this truss, it would fail, causing the whole floor to fail and trigger what i described in my last post.

some of you may THINK it may not have been enough for it to fall, but let's be honest, you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are only reading second hand sources from people who know equally as little as you know yourself. i however KNOW FOR A FACT that the planes impact would cause the towers to fall.

please don't try and refute evidence when you have no idea what on earth you are talking about :argh:

[duhk]

k, but what evidence, and you can't really know for a fact unless you were actually in the building to witness it happening.

[PlagueWielder3k]

got damnit, read the posts, you don't seem to be reading the posts, if you are, you need to go to school. he says, that when floor trusses fail, and when that floor fails and falls on top of the floor below, it's inevitable that it won't stop falling, cuz of the weight and momentum of the floors above it. This information is obvious information. I don't disagree with this. I disagree with wat caused the floors to fail in the first place. Learn to read plague, really learn how to read.

Why dont YOU go back and read YOUR posts and YOUR sources?

You said that one floor could support more than one floors..

You dont have any evidence either. All you gave here is some articles that anyone could have written. This guy (unless he is lying and I dont think he is cause theres no reason) apparently knows a whole lot more than you do.

[duhk]

watever man, you're the stupidest person ever, and that other guy, he knows nothing, he's just doing what im doing, but pretending that he has experience. anyways, believe what you want, i don't care no more.

[Frank84]

is the "pretender' under one of us ? ( :rofl: )

o well..

i believe the usa goverment or CIA knows more than we will ever know.

I am still wondering why the biggest chief did stop with his work, i doubt its "personal" reasons.

What is the truth ?

the WINNER writes ALWAYS the truth, and COULD be happend something else. ( or it is an opinion of the most people)

even with facts, you can make your own opinion)

The truth is still an OPINION.

just like sience, or religion.

if you agree its true, if you don't its false.

[PlagueWielder3k]

watever man, you're the stupidest person ever, and that other guy, he knows nothing, he's just doing what im doing, but pretending that he has experience. anyways, believe what you want, i don't care no more.

Oh yeah, Im stupid.. OK.

Im not the person that says something and then 5 pages later says the exacts opposite.

How do you know he knows nothing? YOU are the one who knows nothing. You base whatever you believe on websites that little 5 year olds could have written.