FireFox or Opera ?

[Chode]

Just want to tell that it will become more popular.

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Linux is open source, yet pales in popularity to Windows.

And if you even say the word monopoly, have you ever considered that a social (not financial) monopoly is what Mozilla is in the process of gaining?

[Michael_C]

Better? No.  Open source != better.

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Some open source stuff is a lot better than closed source alternatives and vice-versa so you can't really say either way. :)

[vcv]

Some open source stuff is a lot better than closed source alternatives and vice-versa so you can't really say either way. :)

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Right. Which was my point. So we agree, and that statement was misleading.

[celestialspring]

May be you guys should read this.

http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2005/01/int...with-opera.html

[celestialspring]

And this.....

http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2005/01/opera-or-firefox.html

Opera or Firefox?

By Yakov Shafranovich

With my interest in Linux and other OSS programs, I had people ask me why I use Opera as my web browser instead of an OSS alternative such as . Therefore I wanted to take a few lines to describe why I picked Opera over Firefox, and some of the things that I would like to see in Opera.

PRO #1 - SPEED!!!!!!

Opera is by far faster than Firefox or any other browser I had ever used [with exception of lynx of course :) ]. Even with optimizations, Firefox still takes longer on my machine, both in Linux and Windows. And its not even the page rendering that is faster, even the menus and the rest of the GUI is much faster in Opera than Firefox, which I suspect is due to the use of XUL in Firefox.

PRO #2 - IMAGES OFF BUTTON

Opera is the only browser that I know that allows to disable viewing of images (or partial viewing) on page by page basis. For someone who often works over slow dialup or wireless links, this is a godsend.

PRO #3 - STRICT JAVASCRIPT

While it may sound funny, but Opera seems to have to follow the Javascript standard much closer than any other browser. Case in point - the fact that Gmail does not work in Opera since the XmlHttpRequest object required by Gmail is not part of any standard. Being a web developer among other things, I use Opera for my JavaScript testing for that specific reason. Additionally, Opera seems to pick up the exact line locations of JavaScript errors EVEN on pages were both IE and Firefox failed to do so.

CON #1 - PRETTY BAD PLUGIN INTERGRATION

I don't know why but Opera seems to have pretty bad way with plugins. Java seems pretty slow in both Linux and Windows, Adobe's PDF reader doesn't work at all, and Flash works without sound on Linux. Additionally, for some reason extensions are not as nicely integrated into the Opera GUI as Firefox. For example, I happen to be using Chris Pederick's Web Developer extension for Firefox which integrates very nicely into the browser. Every comparable Opera extension messed up the GUI so badly that I couldn't use it.

CON #2 - HARD TO USE JAVASCRIPT CONSOLE

For programmers and web developers this is pretty important. Unlike Firefox and Mozilla Suite, Opera's Javascript console is pretty hard to work with being that it is a popup window that covers the page. On Linux especially it is even more difficult since the "minimize" option doesn't always work. I would love to see something like Firefox's console which can be optionally hidden away and simply display an icon when something goes wrong.

CON #3 - Better popup blocking GUI

I really like Firefox's popup blocker as well as Google's. What Opera's popup blocker is missing is ability to unblock popups for a single site. Come on guys, even IE (XP SP2) has that now!

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Yakov Shafranovich is a co-founder and software architect with SolidMatrix Technologies, Inc., a software development and consulting company targeting the service industry. He is actively involved with the design and development of large-scale applications utilizing XML and other Internet standards. Yakov is also active in the Internet community as an individual member of the New York chapter of the Internet Society (ISOC-NY) and a member of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). He served as a co-chair of the Anti-Spam Research Group (ASRG) of the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) from August 2003 until May 2004.

[ZZOOzzoo]

May be you guys should read this.

http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2005/01/int...with-opera.html

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Wow, that was a very nice read.

There are many points that are already discussed in this thread.

[Chode]

Opera: We had more than 20 million downloads last year alone

You don't hear Opera and "fanboys" screaming at the number of times Opera is downloaded :whistle:

[chacho]

Opera: We had more than 20 million downloads last year alone

You don't hear Opera and "fanboys" screaming at the number of times Opera is downloaded :whistle:

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Feel free to do so, might make Opera a bit more popular. (N)

[Rapier]

Feel free to do so, might make Opera a bit more popular. (N)

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Now if we do that then what difference would there be between sensible opera users and idiotic fanboys like you who use a browser just because its popular and not because it does what u want it to ? Opera does all that i want and the way that i want it.. thats why i use it. I didnt choose opera because it was popular or not popular.

[ZZOOzzoo]

Feel free to do so, might make Opera a bit more popular. (N)

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Um.. you seem to be missing the point.

[alexcollins]

Opera may be faster than a standard Firefox distro but maybe you Opera lovers should check out www.moox.ws and see an optomized Firefox build :D

[xMorpheousx416]

I have done my own research on the differences between the two...and there are alot of valid points everyone has brought up.

My decision:

Sorry Opera. But I see NO reason what so ever, to have to pay to get online with my ISP, then have to pay again to use a browser. Just getting on the internet is expensive enough.

Firefox is in it's infancy still....and yet it's a very powerful browser. I will continue to support the Mozilla foundation in it's efforts to keep the browser free...and yeah, check out the Moox versions of Firefox.

[blowMeNeo]

Firefox is Mozilla, << removed >>. Your diploma mustn't be very good, as you can't see that it's called MOZILLA Firefox.

I mean......your posts are the dumbest things that I have read today....if I had less self control and was a little more tired I'd probably tell you to << removed >>.

Instead, I'm going to recommend for you to sue the Education establishment.

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I know that << removed >>. It's << removed >> like you that really give these boards a bad name. Just because 2 cars come off the same assembly line doesn't make them the same car. << removed >>.

Edited February 5, 2005 by markjensen

[vcv]

Opera may be faster than a standard Firefox distro but maybe you Opera lovers should check out www.moox.ws and see an optomized Firefox build :D

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I have, and while they are faster, XUL still holds Firefox back.

Firefox is in it's infancy still....and yet it's a very powerful browser.  I will continue to support the Mozilla foundation in it's efforts to keep the browser free...and yeah, check out the Moox versions of Firefox.

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Stop posting misinformation, PLEASE people. Firefox as a product is in it's infancy (sort of), yes. But the code itself is NOT. The code is or should be at a mature stage.

[vcv]

I know that << removed >>.  It's << removed >> like you that really give these boards a bad name.  Just because 2 cars come off the same assembly line doesn't make them the same car. << removed >>.

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No. But a Ford F150 and Ford F350 are based off the same designs and components.

[lav-chan]

Sorry Opera.? But I see NO reason what so ever, to have to pay to get online with my ISP, then have to pay again to use a browser.? Just getting on the internet is expensive enough.

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So you use Linux, right? After all, there's no reason what so ever to have to pay to buy your computer and then have to pay again to use it.

On a side note, i wish they'd hurry up with Opera 8 already. :(

[+unabatedshagie Subscriber¹]

On a side note, i wish they'd hurry up with Opera 8 already. :(

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Not long to wait, the end of Feburary is the expected release date.

[drgrudge]

Btw, firefox is gonna delay their Version 1.1 :(

[worbd]

Opera may be faster than a standard Firefox distro but maybe you Opera lovers should check out www.moox.ws and see an optomized Firefox build :D

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Didn't really notice a difference... Care to enlighten me?

Sorry Opera.  But I see NO reason what so ever, to have to pay to get online with my ISP, then have to pay again to use a browser.  Just getting on the internet is expensive enough.

So you are saying that everything related to the Internet should be free because you pay for access? In other words, when you order something from an online store, it should send you the stuff for free since you don't want to pay for anything?

Firefox is in it's infancy still....and yet it's a very powerful browser.

Firefox is definitely not in its infancy. It's built on technology which is several years old and has several released products available, and Firefox itself has been in development for a long time (two to three years).

But perhaps you don't remember Phoenix or Firebird... Or you conveniently "forget" about it because it allows you to spread FUD about other browsers.

[Koolslacker]

Firefox, enough said

[ZZOOzzoo]

Opera may be faster than a standard Firefox distro but maybe you Opera lovers should check out www.moox.ws and see an optomized Firefox build :D

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Not only do I notice very little difference myself, it turns out actually even buggier than the original Firefox itself.

Thanks for providing the worst 3 minutes of browsing time I've ever had.

I'd rather stick with the standard version of Firefox.

Firefox, enough said

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You're absoultely right when you said "enough said".

That one post was "enough said" to show that your opinion is worthless and invalid in this discussion.

[worbd]

Firefox, enough said

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Haha, "enough said indeed"...

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[struct]

Kool has won me over with his carefully examined ideas and well thought out points. I just can't argue with him.

[at0mican]

dont listen to these idiots

opera loads faster, opens sites faster, uses less ram, uses less cpu, has mouse gestures, etc etc etc

its way better than firefox

these trolls love firefox cause its free and open source

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:yes: Totally. I've been sold on Opera for 3 years now.

[celestialspring]

:devil: Firetruck Trolls, now see for yourself, whats what and whats not. Opera beats the s*** out of Firetruck on all OS, at any point in time it did, and it will do always.

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html :devil: