FireFox or Opera ?

[drgrudge]

Hmm, Tabbed browsing in opera and FF are the same... , even u need to have open only one window for even 20 tabs or a hell lot of URL's.

[lav-chan]

I think they fixed that in the newer Firetruck versions, didn't they?

Anyway, Firefox does have tabbed browsing. What Opera has that's better is MDI. I see reputable people (like The Wired) making this mistake a lot -- Opera and Firetruck are both tabbed; the difference is that only Opera is a true MDI program. That's what makes Opera's tab handling so :rad:

[blik]

Hmm, Tabbed browsing in opera and FF are the same... , even u need to have open only one window for even 20 tabs or a hell lot of URL's.

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On crack? :blink:

Double click your FF icon, then do it again. How many windows do you have open?

Now do the same with Opera...

Place a shortcut on the desktop to some URL with FF your default browser, double click, then do it again. How many windows do you have open?

Now do the same with Opera...

[drgrudge]

On crack? :blink:

Double click your FF icon, then do it again. How many windows do you have open?

Now do the same with Opera...

Place a shortcut on the desktop to some URL with FF your default browser, double click, then do it again. How many windows do you have open?

Now do the same with Opera...

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Hmm, i agree what u try to say...

Atleast i have a option to open in a new window or a new tab...

In opera, if you set the options, to open up a URL or when you open up the icon, u have no other option but to see it in the option that you have set.

[blik]

Hmm, i agree what u try to say...

Atleast i have a option to open in a new window or a new tab...

In opera, if you set the options, to open up a URL or when you open up the icon, u have no other option but to see it in the option that you have set.

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:blink:

Use sessions if you want multiple windows...

[ZZOOzzoo]

I find tab support on Firefox horrible, even with the Tab Preference extension.

The speed is the biggest issue, I'm on 3mbps broadband, yet having more than 5 tabs on Firefox seems to slow down internet rapidly.

When I'm on Opera or other IE-based browsers, I never experience such things.

Also, tabs in Firefox has too little options, that you can only use it the way it's out of the box, as opposed to other flexible browsers.

Firefox doesn't even have a feature to resurrect previously closed tabs.

[Michael_C]

I know Opera has tabbed browsing and I know Firefox have something they claim to be tabbed browsing... No matter how many links I click, or URL shortcuts I open, I have 1 window open when using Opera. I wish I could say the same for FF...

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They will open in new tabs if you set your preferences correctly.

Firefox doesn't even have a feature to resurrect previously closed tabs.

If you want a tab why close it? :unsure:

[ZZOOzzoo]

If you want a tab why close it? :unsure:

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Because things happen in life?

That is one of my most appreciated feature in both Maxthon and Opera.

[megamanXplosion]

Because things happen in life?

Best answer. Ever. :p

On a more serious note, the ability to reopen closed tabs is a blessing in disguise. If you have 10 tabs open and you want to close all of them except two, close all of them and then reopen the two you wanted (and they appear instantaneously due to Opera's memory caching abilities.) Not to mention the fact that sometimes I accidentally close a tab I didn't mean to close; it's nice to just re-open the tab instantly rather than having to retype the URL and press enter, wait for the site to load, rebrowse the web site slowly and painfully just to get back to what I was doing before an accidental flick of the finger.

[x-byte]

Best answer. Ever. :p

On a more serious note, the ability to reopen closed tabs is a blessing in disguise. If you have 10 tabs open and you want to close all of them except two, close all of them and then reopen the two you wanted (and they appear instantaneously due to Opera's memory caching abilities.) Not to mention the fact that sometimes I accidentally close a tab I didn't mean to close; it's nice to just re-open the tab instantly rather than having to retype the URL and press enter, wait for the site to load, rebrowse the web site slowly and painfully just to get back to what I was doing before an accidental flick of the finger.

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ahh.. yes ctrl+z :wub:

[Septimus]

Opera.. for many and more reasons stated already.

[crayolakidd]

OKAY...have been reading through this topic and I have to say,as a FF fan myself, that most of the arguments put forth in support ofboth browsersby many here are, to say the least, incredibly ****-poor and in some cases bloody inaccurate. I had to laugh over someone here using a Sony 43 in screen line in defence of paying for Opera.....you do realise that Sony really isn't even close to being top-of-the-line in any type of monitor of tv??

The one that really gets me though is the speed argument between the two. Having had little to do with Opera and hearing that it was faster, I decided toput it to the test after cracking the ****s over my ADSL now being shared between two computers. I do alot of graphics workandthus knowsome pretty chunky sites which I was able to use to compare the speed of the two browsers. What I found (and I was using a stop-watch to accurately compare the two) was that NEITHER browser consistently outdid the other. I found rather that the speed difference depended greatly on the individual site and the browser/s it was optimised for. Sometimes FF blew Opera away and sometimes the opposite...sometimes they ran the same. Unfortunatelty many web hosts claim it is too expensive to cater for all browsers, so we remain at their liberty. So can people PLEASE stop trying to argue their prefence based on a dodgy and flawed reason.

I personally prefer FF for security reasons. Despite what somewill say, I did a fair amout of research recently, both on line and at local computer speciallist stores, and Firefox was consistently rated as THE MOST secure browser now available - still not perfect, but I doubt ANY browser ever will be. I asked one guy at a local electronic securities provider if Opera was as secure as FF and he just laughed!!

So can any tell me why anyone in their right mind would PAY for a browser that is no where near as safe and secure as the free one?? Surely in this unsecure environment, a secure browser has to be considered better that a (debatably) prettier one??

[Kerm]

If anyone can tell me how to get the favourites tab on the left as with IE then i would switch to FF or Opera, anyone?

See image, :)

[vcv]

Firefox more secure than Opera? Either back that up or back out of that argument. Links have already been provided in this thread to refute that claim. They are both rather secure at this point.

You already spouted the same lies in this post: https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...#entry585467747 and did not reply to me when I questioned it.

I do not expect you to reply to this post either.

But PLEASE, anyone reading this thread, do not take what this guy says at heart.

[vcv]

If anyone can tell me how to get the favourites tab on the left as with IE then i would switch to FF or Opera, anyone?

See image, :)

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Sure! Hit F4 and select "Bookmarks".

[Kerm]

Do i have to buy Opera?

Is FF free?

[vcv]

Do i have to buy Opera?

Is FF free?

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FF is free free.

Opera is free but with ads (google text-ads which arent that bad or graphical ads), or I believe you can find it for $25 reduced rate for a registered copy.

[worbd]

I personally prefer FF for security reasons. Despite what somewill say, I did a fair amout of research recently, both on  line and at local computer speciallist stores, and Firefox was consistently rated as THE MOST secure browser now available - still not perfect, but I doubt ANY browser ever will be.

According to Secunia, a well known security research firm, you are wrong, and your research was apparently completely useless:

Opera: 2 vulnerabilities reported in 2005. 3 unpatched vulnerabilities.

Firefox: 4 vulnerabilities reported in 2005. 7 unpatched vulnerabilities.

<sarcasm>Ooh! But this must mean that Firefox is twice as insecure as Opera, right?!</sarcasm>

I asked one guy at a local electronic securities provider if Opera was as secure as FF and he just laughed!!

Why did he just laugh? Does he even know what Opera is? Why don't you ask him to justify his uninformed opinions, rather than letting him spread FUD on behalf of mozilla.org?

Whatever happened to "critical thinking"?

So can any tell me why anyone in their right mind would PAY for a browser that is no where near as safe and secure as the free one?? Surely in this unsecure environment, a secure browser has to be considered better that a (debatably) prettier one??

Indeed. And Opera has fewer open vulnerabilities than Firefox.

That said, I think it is totally ridiculous to claim that either is significantly more or less secure than the other. But one thing which does make Firefox more dangerous to use is the fact that it supports extensions. Extensions allow third party software to "hook into" Firefox, while Opera protects you against that.

There are no currently known vulnerabilities in Firefox's extensions system, but:

1. You cannot guarantee that one won't be found.

2. Recently, it was uncovered that the official extension site listed extensions that had not been checked for malware!

[BiteMe]

Well I have been searching for some time for the definetive "this browser is better than that one".

I'll admit, in most circumstances Opera loads faster than Firefox, which I am currently using. I had firefox, but switched over to Opera for a while on the recommendation of a friend. After a while with this browser (and the Office 2003 theme, sweet and minimalistic as it can be), there was only two things which ticked me off about Opera (even though I had paid for it), and eventually led to me going back over to Firefox.

1. The tabbed browsing on Opera. There's probably a patch to change this but I didn't find one. After using firefox, I didn't at all like the tabs going back to the last used one after being closed. This got on my nerves every time.

2. ActiveX. I have a hotmail account (as I'm sure anyone who'se ever used MSN messenger will do) and as I've had this the longest it is the account most people mail me on. When in the junk mail folder, deleting something, it would bring up that "is this junkmail" box. If you clicked anything other than cancel, nothing at all would happen. I also used the DesktopSidebar for a while (but not any more because the memory usages ****es me off) and with the Gmail notifier for that it wouldn't work when Opera was set as the default browser because of the ActiveX control.

I think I'm right in saying that Firefox doesn't allow ActiveX either (which is why they are the two most secure browsers in the world) but somehow Firefox manages to display pages which Opera cannot and I guess this has something to do with the ActiveX stuff.

I really liked Opera's interface with the Office 2003 theme, because it was so minimalistic, but even with the Firefox default theme the interface is still smaller. Having Opera load all the toolbars etc. at install isn't a big problem because it really doesn't take long to load, and, alternatively, you can download a "Jeckle and Hyde" extension which allows you to toggle between different views of toolbars, really quickly and convieniently. Hyde being minimalistic and Jeckle having more of the options.

I'll admit the firefox extension are a right PITA, because it takes time to go through and find the ones you want. I've currently got 20 extensions. MOST of them were downloaded to catch up with Opera.

Opera has the wand, which is great, I really liked it, and unforntunatly I havn't found anything close to this in Firefox extensions (and it takes so god damn long to look for them).

I'm not sure about the memory issues, but apparently firefox does have a memory leak. However, the about:config options in firefox allow you to customise anything you want (almost). Search up on this 'cause I've altered some of these which apparently increase the performance of Firefox..still not sure if it really does. I don't know if Opera has anything like this.

Opera's interface is much more customisable than Firefoxes. It has the options to add as many or as little toolbars and sidebars as you want, whereever you want them. You also don't have to restart to view your themes. This is really good because it was a right pain downloading some themes, and finding I had to close multiple tabs and windows so view it, and see if it was right for me. Opera beats Firefox hands down with Skins and Themes.

I think Opera also can minimise to the System Tray, which is a great option because if you are not using it for a while, but want your pages open (alright I know they can be saved automatically, but say you want it to open even faster...) with faster opening then you can. However, firefox does have an extension that allows you to do this, after much searching.

After I have downloaded all the Firefox extensions I feel I need already, and have customised the hell out of it, I feel like sticking with Firefox for the main reason that some pages don't work with Opera (and Firefox has a much better logo :p)

I don't care much for resizing frames or anything, so this aspect of Opera does not really bother me.

Right now, if someone make Firefox take up less RAM and CPU usage, and a Magic Password Wand, I would dance till evening, but also, if Opera could load those webpages and I could customise the tabbed browsing, I would dance too.

All in all, I'm sticking with Firefox till then, if not for the pages it can load, then for the tabbed browsing.

I hope this helps anyone considering either browser.

If you are unsure about whether to use Opera, Firefox, or Internet Explorer, don't bother, and use Safari or Konquorer instead. Much simpler than all these arguments.

Edit: I just loaded Opera and forgot to mention the nice stuff it has at the bottom of the page (the bottom bar which can be put on auto-hide (which is another great feature of Opera) ). I really like the way Opera tells me how big the document I am loading is, the time it's taken/taking, the number of pages, and the speed at which is it loading. Is there a Firefox extension for this? I guess I'll have to spend more time looking :rolleyes:

Edited February 15, 2005 by BiteMe

[Joey992]

I can't believe people are still discussing this.

[BiteMe]

Then stop checking back at the thread..

[mac15]

Opera > Firefox > Safari

At least Firefox gets its rendering right in more cases than Safari. And it's more functional and user friendly than Safari, too :)

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They're pretty much identical browsers, infact isn't every browser alike? I mean there is Back/Forward ect. on all of them. How could Firefox be more user friendly?

[BiteMe]

It isn't really. Opera is probably the most user friendly browser, in terms of time consumption and everything. For the average user Opera will do what ever you need, so will firefox, but firefox has all those little customisable things in about:config .. which would probably help anyone who knows how to use them.

BTW, get adblock. It's the browsers best friend...if you had adverts.

[LispyGlitter2]

it's just a matter of preference. I prefer Firefox. i have used Opera, and the people who whine about the google ads, I really don't mind them. At least they aren't those flashing banners, you know what I mean? Sometimes also, the google ad has something that may be of interest to me.

[Joey992]

Then stop checking back at the thread..

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