Opera named PC World best browser or not?

[Toxicfume Veteran]

Yup, just reasd that and they did the right thing :)

[Danigoldman]

Take a look at Opera's response.

[tagerd0g]

Opera can do no wrong as long as they have the Black Ranger on their Web site.

MASTADON

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:rofl: :rofl:

plus he looks like David Hasselhoff

[CaKeY]

Take a look at Opera's response.

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Wheres "Opera's response"? All I see is a link to your blog.

[AXiao]

they were confused, that's all, i mean, i use firefox, i like opera, it's really neat browser, they are all personal opinion, guys, dont get into slap fights just because of a little mistake.

[yisman]

mozilla sure is busy looking for dirt.

At least they updated the article...

[yisman]

Opera was named best browser, alright, after Firefox.?

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,a...63,pg,12,00.asp

It's still good software, but I have not seen where PC World said it's better than Firefox anywhere.? Anyone got anything?

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As previous posts said:

Opera 8

WEB BROWSER (Free) Find Firefox too austere? Opera is an attractive, feature-rich alternative. Review

Yes, one of the categories was WEB, and as a "WEB BROWSER" Opera was the only one.

What I have demonstrated now is that there is clearly room for (mis)interpretation.

Asa knew this when he blogged about it. Why did he automatically assume that Opera was lying, when clearly there was room for making mistakes? Because it was a cheap shot, and he couldn't resist the temptation.

In other words: He accused Opera of lying knowing full well that it was probably just a misunderstanding. Unlike Opera, Asa's blog post was not a misunderstanding, because his posting history about Opera clearly shows that he takes any opportunity to put it down.

So if Asa claimed that Opera lied, but he did the same thing himself, what does that make Asa?

Agree with this 100%.

Edited June 8, 2005 by yisman

[Jesse Carlton]

^ did you read the retraction from opera?

"feature-rich alternatice" does not mean better

obviously if firefox got top billing, opera isn't the best browser of the year.

and there was one category called "web browser" which contained FF (1) and opera (88)

[Muessig]

Clarification on PC World Awards 2005

Opera Software announced on June 3 that its desktop Web browser, Opera 8, has once again received PC World's World Class Award for best Web browser. This has caused some confusion due to the fact that a competing browser received the award as "Product of the Year".

PC World's World Class Awards each year acknowledges "the finest products and services" in different categories. In addition, one product or service receives the "Product of the Year" award. Last year, Opera received the award for "Best Browser". This year's categories are less specific. While Firefox was awarded "Product of the Year" this year, Opera 8 was the only full Web browser to receive an award in the "Web" category. Opera understands that this may have caused confusion.

Source: http://my.opera.com

[IceDogg]

I think everyone that knows me knows I'm a Firefox user (some may say fanboy) but come on, do you really think they would intentionally lie about something that is so easy to check on, And would turn out to be embarrassing to them at the same time. I don't believe it was intentional at all. No one is stupid enough to believe they could get by with it enough to do it intentionally. I love my Firefox, but Opera isn't a bad browser either, just not my preference.

Just my 2 cents.. which is worth nothing.

[dan1el^]

SUM UP:

Clarification on PC World Awards 2005

Opera Software announced on June 3 that its desktop Web browser, Opera 8, has once again received PC World's World Class Award for best Web browser. This has caused some confusion due to the fact that a competing browser received the award as "Product of the Year".

PC World's World Class Awards each year acknowledges "the finest products and services" in different categories. In addition, one product or service receives the "Product of the Year" award. Last year, Opera received the award for "Best Browser". This year's categories are less specific. While Firefox was awarded "Product of the Year" this year, Opera 8 was the only full Web browser to receive an award in the "Web" category. Opera understands that this may have caused confusion.

...and

Oops!

We've been on a winning streek lately, German magazine Chip concluding that Opera is better than Firefox and all. It seems that in the excitement over the positive press lately in combination with 8.01 release preparations, and with the summer heat finally arriving in Oslo, we've screwed up.

At closer inspection, it appears that Opera might not have won the best browser of 2005 award from PC World after all. Opera is listed as the only browser in the "Web" category, which I guess got us confused.

Now that we've installed fans to cool us down again, we've removed the "best browser" stuff from opera.com until PC World gets back to us to clarify things. We're posting a statement in the near future as well.

So no, we are not actually evil monsters. We are only human

...and...

June 8, 2005 11:08 AM PDT

Internecine warfare erupts over browser award

The browser blogs have exploded with ire, accusations and self-recriminations over the august and coveted PC World 100 Best Products of 2005 awards.

The mudslinging appears to have started when Opera issued a press release claiming to have won for "best browser." Mozilla staffer Asa Dotzler took exception to that claim, pointing out, along with some disparaging remarks about Opera's honesty, that Mozilla Firefox had won for "product of the year."

Dozens of flaming messages later, Opera issued a retraction and Dotzler was left defending his professionalism.

One peacemaker wrote: "Get some perspective will you? No one strangled your cat, OK? They're just browsers...software, right?"

What part of "browser war" doesn't this guy understand?

Posted by Paul Festa

Conclusion: Aza Dotzler is a <you know what think>

[LispyGlitter2]

Opera Lied, People Died.

[yisman]

^ did you read the retraction from opera?

"feature-rich alternatice (sic)" does not mean better

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Yes, I did. I was pointing out that there was a lot of room for misunderstanding.

[Toxikk Veteran]

"it's all about the he said she said bs..."

[Chode]

"it's all about the he said she said bs..."

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So come and get it? :blink:

[IAIHMB]

Does it matter if they lied?  Opera is still a stable product.  I mean how does claiming that their browser being named pc world's best browser make the product any better?

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Yes, it does, because this would be the second marketing scam that they've used since the release of Opera 8.0. One of their developers claimed that he would swim from Norway to America if Opera 8.0 was downloaded 1,000,000 times within 4 days of the release. Downloads did hit that number, and they made up some bull**** story and he never ended up doing it. The only reason download numbers hit that high were because people wanted him to drown, so Opera would die. :p

[Brandon Live Veteran]

Umm, this is nothing new. Opera has been lying for years.

Remember the whole MSN.com debacle?

[vcv]

Yes, it does, because this would be the second marketing scam that they've used since the release of Opera 8.0. One of their developers claimed that he would swim from Norway to America if Opera 8.0 was downloaded 1,000,000 times within 4 days of the release. Downloads did hit that number, and they made up some bull**** story and he never ended up doing it. The only reason download numbers hit that high were because people wanted him to drown, so Opera would die. :p

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First of all, that was the C E O.

Second, anyone who didn't take that in jest should question themselves as a human being.

It's a shame Opera wasn't more careful about this, but everyone makes mistakes. No one was hurt, caused any damage, and no other products were lied about. They made an honest mistake regarding themselves.

But, whoever did make the mistake should no doubt get punished somehow.

And of course, Asa just had to post about it. He can't turn down a chance to spread FUD about Opera.

Umm, this is nothing new.  Opera has been lying for years.

Remember the whole MSN.com debacle?

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Uh.. what did they lie about? Mind posting some proof?

Don't worry, I don't expect you to actually do so, since there isn't any.

[xpablo]

Yes, it does, because this would be the second marketing scam that they've used since the release of Opera 8.0. One of their developers claimed that he would swim from Norway to America if Opera 8.0 was downloaded 1,000,000 times within 4 days of the release. Downloads did hit that number, and they made up some bull**** story and he never ended up doing it. The only reason download numbers hit that high were because people wanted him to drown, so Opera would die. :p

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This was the reason I downloaded Opera, now i'm gonna uninstall their crappy browser, I like Firefox better anyhow.

least it doesn't have adware on it.

I hate companies that lie, I should file a complaint with the FTC, false claims of them being the best browser as voted by PC World magazine.

And the whole swim story too.

:angry:

Boycott Opera now, I'm removing my cracked version of Opera 8.0 as of now ! :D :woot:

[vcv]

Maybe you should use Opera based on how well the PRODUCT works for you, and NOT what other people say or a mistake they made.

It's people like you that world a stupid place.

[imtoomuch]

By changing the site, I think that that's pretty much admitting the original was a lie. Oh wait, I mean a "simple misunderstanding"...riiiiiight. If you believe that one I got an ounce of invisible potion I'd like to sell you.

[vcv]

By changing the site, I think that that's pretty much admitting the original was a lie.  Oh wait, I mean a "simple misunderstanding"...riiiiiight.  If you believe that one I got an ounce of invisible potion I'd like to sell you.

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Microsoft has lied as well.

Mozilla Foundation has lied as well.

What company hasn't?

I'm not trying to justify what happened, but please put it into perspective.

[worbd]

Umm, this is nothing new.  Opera has been lying for years.

Remember the whole MSN.com debacle?

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Proof please! Still waiting... :sleep:

By changing the site, I think that that's pretty much admitting the original was a lie.  Oh wait, I mean a "simple misunderstanding"...riiiiiight.  If you believe that one I got an ounce of invisible potion I'd like to sell you.

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So by correcting a mistake, one is admitting that the mistake wasn't really a mistake after all?

Great logic there, imtoomuch! :no: :x

[deepfriedmario]

So come and get it?  :blink:

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Limp Bizkit quote.

[revvo]

That's exactly like penis enlargement pills. Lots of claims, no facts.