I Switched to from Windows to OSX

[flapjack1001]

Well I tried overclocking but it isn't working. Were do I put the pins for 450 mhz? and were do I put the pins for 500mhz? help dude I dont get the article im that dumb :(

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Guy just put the machine back together and use it. You can research on the internet and then tear it apart when you have a game plan.

[zerolimit]

The point of this matchine is to play with. Thats what I am doing playing with it. May it be overclocking/upgrading or just playing with the OS :)

Thats the only reason I got this system. I got really tired of windows and want something new. Playing with the system in and out helps me learn more about it. thats how I learn about pcs.

[wiebeest]

Well I had a...

Amd Athlon 1900+

768 PC2100 Ram

80 GB HD

Windows XP Pro SP2

Will now have

G3 400mhz

256 Ram

10 GB HD

Great, now you can enjoy a much slower pc with no games to play on.

Congratulations! No seriously, why an old G3 400 mhz? And why not keep your x86 pc besides it? :wacko: Was it a literary switch?

Not on a 400 Mhz G3 it won't.

At least his performance will be way better than

PearPC.

[zerolimit]

I still have it. Sold it to my mom. She just wants it to surf the net. I dont play games I just use it to design and surft the net. And I wanted to do the complete switch because I am tired of windows. There is nothing I can't do in the Mac I can't do in windows.

[girl7]

Before trying to overclock or upgrade the processor, perhaps you should consider some of the basic steps to improve performance such as maxing out the RAM (using the correct type for your specific model instead of something which "might work".)

If you think you already have, check your System Profiler to make sure the G3 is actually registering, and therefore utilizing, the amount you believe is in there.

Another good idea which will definitely increase the responsiveness and stability of your G3 would be to add a Mac ATA-133 card like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16816123110.

BTW, from what were you running the "clean install" that resulted in the weird password prompt?

(or how do _you_ define "clean install"? What was the process, and why didn't you just install a fresh OS on the new drive?)

[flapjack1001]

The point of this matchine is to play with. Thats what I am doing playing with it. May it be overclocking/upgrading or just playing with the OS :)

Thats the only reason I got this system. I got really tired of windows and want something new. Playing with the system in and out helps me learn more about it. thats how I learn about pcs.

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Sorry, your frequent and urgent posts led me to believe that you were in dire straights. Have fun playing with it.

[zerolimit]

How about this guys?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=5783329258

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5783548197&rd=1

also found some ram. Will this ram work...

1 -- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5784348358&rd=1

2 -- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5784296960&rd=1

will that sucker work on my G3? Black & White? If so please advise so I can buy it now :)

Thanks!

Edited June 23, 2005 by zerolimit

[eAi]

If you want RAM, use www.crucial.com they'll tell you what ram you need and how to install it/

[zerolimit]

SHOWS that its compatible. only diff. is the pc133. intstead of pc100. It says on the ebay link that its compatible for my G3? Anyone have any feedback on this ram? Would really help me alot. Also on the cpu. Thanks!

Installing the ram is easy! I've build most of the pcs at home so thats easy!

[Southern Patriot]

SHOWS that its compatible. only diff. is the pc133. intstead of pc100. It says on the ebay link that its compatible for my G3? Anyone have any feedback on this ram? Would really help me alot. Also on the cpu. Thanks!

Installing the ram is easy! I've build most of the pcs at home so thats easy!

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Neither of those CPU's will work in your machine. The later model G4's have a different type of socket than your G3 does. The only G4's that will work in your system are the upgrade cards that I gave you links for the other day. The second piece of RAM you linked to would definitely work, since it was pulled from the same type of system that you have. The first could go either way.

[zerolimit]

DAM!! I didn't want to spend $200+ for a cpu. $100 ya but $200+ I was looking into 100$ maybe but im gona buy the second ram hopefully it work =) if anyone knows for sure please advise thanks!

[Southern Patriot]

DAM!! I didn't want to spend $200+ for a cpu. $100 ya but $200+ I  was looking into 100$ maybe but im gona buy the second ram hopefully it work =) if anyone knows for sure please advise thanks!

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The RAM will do nearly as much for you as the CPU upgrade would, honestly. I have my Blue & White maxed out (the most it will hold is 1GB), and while it only has a 600Mhz G4, it is far faster than my 800Mhz G3 iBook which only has 384MB of RAM, even on non-Altivec apps.

[JiveMasterT]

WTF hahaha,

Expose

CoreImage

Widgets

Spotlight

Drag & Drop installs

No Viruses/Spyware/Malware

Unix Base

All these things & 300+ other features just don't come into it at all I suppose??:laugh::

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Expose - I have alt tab on my windows box and multiple desktops on my linux box.

CoreImage - Ok. I got a geforce 6800 gt, OC. Thats terrific.

Widgets - www.konfabulator.com (oh and it doesnt take over your whole desktop)

Spotlight - this is actually pretty good. I use it at work on my mac box frequently.

Drag & Drop installs - for those of you that aren't content to hit next a few times.

No Viruses/Spyware/Malware - Wahahahahah!!! So funny!

Unix Base - So is linux... your point?

I run my widgets on my windows xp box and i run full blown fedora core on another box... and both machines together cost less than a mac. Also, I'm sorry, but there are viruses out there, but you can live in your fantasy land... the fact that they arent as wide spread as windows viruses doesnt mean anything.

Biased? No. I do use a Mac at work. Do I enjoy it? Not really. I have to support the machines every day. I hate things about them like the fact that the interface is really flashy and in your face, I can't just press ctrl + c (makes things confusing when going between windows and linux, then to a mac... no, I gotta press Apple + c), and the whole system feels sluggish to me... but maybe thats because I'm on an older g4 tower here. I guess if I really want to indulge in the whole "Mac Experience" as you folks like to call it, I might need a G5 tower, but for the cost of one of those I could get like 2 full blown IBM Servers (yes, I'm exaggerating) and use them as a rendering hive in 3d studio max. Oh, btw, I do lots of graphic design work, and guess what I prefer to do it on.....

It just drives me nuts when someone makes insane claims about Macs... they are not really superior systems, they are just there for a cult of mac users who prefer using one button mice. If you like them, fine, but dont go making wild accusations about the capabilities of these machines because it is just rediculous.

edit...

and to the OP. Congrats on the switch. Seriously. Some people can't go from one to the other... they just can't. They get too set in their ways to want to switch. I think that if you like the interface, you will like the mac. I would suggest getting yourself a nice logitech mouse though and perhaps if you like the system enough then step up to a better machine. I have OS9 and OSX here at work and OSX is worlds better than OS9... in fact, I dont even turn my OS9 box on anymore. I hope you do enjoy it. Oh, and I use a mac keyboard on my PC.:pp

[Southern Patriot]

Expose - I have alt tab on my windows box and multiple desktops on my linux box.

CoreImage - Ok.  I got a geforce 6800 gt, OC.  Thats terrific.

Widgets - www.konfabulator.com (oh and it doesnt take over your whole desktop)

Spotlight - this is actually pretty good.  I use it at work on my mac box frequently.

Drag & Drop installs - for those of you that aren't content to hit next a few times.

No Viruses/Spyware/Malware - Wahahahahah!!!  So funny!

Unix Base - So is linux... your point?

I won't even go into how silly some of your comparisons are. Most of them show that you have almost no experience at all with OS X, despite your claims that you do.

Also, I'm sorry, but there are viruses out there, but you can live in your fantasy land... the fact that they arent as wide spread as windows viruses doesnt mean anything.

Oh yeah smart guy? Show me ONE virus that affects OS X. Just one. Can you? Didn't think so.

I can't just press ctrl + c (makes things confusing when going between windows and linux, then to a mac... no, I gotta press Apple + c),

Well, since the Mac had that shortcut before Windows or Linux existed, I'd say that those were the ones that got it wrong (they had to, since non-Apple computers don't have an Apple key).

and the whole system feels sluggish to me... but maybe thats because I'm on an older g4 tower here.  I guess if I really want to indulge in the whole "Mac Experience" as you folks like to call it, I might need a G5 tower,

Look at the specs of my machines. Neither of them seem "sluggish" to me.

It just drives me nuts when someone makes insane claims about Macs... they are not really superior systems, they are just there for a cult of mac users who prefer using one button mice.  If you like them, fine, but dont go making wild accusations about the capabilities of these machines because it is just rediculous.

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The person you quoted mad no "insane claims" about the Mac. They simply pointed out some of the reasons that someone might want to switch. Oh, and I (along with most others here) use a multi-button mouse with my Macs. Not that we have to, since the interface is designed for single button use, but it makes some shortcuts easier to get to.

It seems that YOU are the one making "wild accusations", not the person you quoted.

[zerolimit]

well back to the subject. I bought the ones you said would work. 2 128 so its a total of 512 ram. Should that make it fast enought to do some things here and there? or should I get 1 more?

[Southern Patriot]

well back to the subject. I bought the ones you said would work. 2 128 so its a total of 512 ram. Should that make it fast enought to do some things here and there? or should I get 1 more?

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That should be fine. My iBook only has 384MB and I use it daily. If you have the money to spare, then yeah, get more, but remember you only have 4 slots in there.

[zerolimit]

I would need to find one that is 512 Ram. Anyone know were I can get that? cheap?

[Southern Patriot]

I would need to find one that is 512 Ram. Anyone know were I can get that? cheap?

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Your machine won't take DIMMs in that size. The largest size it will take is 256MB (which is why the limit on it is 1GB = 4x256MB).

[JiveMasterT]

I won't even go into how silly some of your comparisons are.  Most of them show that you have almost no experience at all with OS X, despite your claims that you do.

My point that I was trying to illustrate is that the Mac doesnt have any super features or things that can't be done on a PC. Your failure to realize this bewilders me as even a 2 year old can grasp this concept... a yellow apple and a red apple differ in appearance, yet, both are apples, and both are just as good. If you prefer red apples to green apples, that is your thing.

Oh yeah smart guy?  Show me ONE virus that affects OS X.  Just one.  Can you?  Didn't think so.

Do a little research, I did. I found ONE virus. There will be others as soon as people start feeling malicious enough. Why else would companies make anti-virus software? For you. Smart Guy. Now, I feel it important to note that although there is a lack of viruses available for the Mac, there is also a lack of lots of things. There is spyware to (Little Snitch) and I'm sure there is Adware to, as the Mac OS is not some superior operating system... why else would Apple release security patches?

Well, since the Mac had that shortcut before Windows or Linux existed, I'd say that those were the ones that got it wrong (they had to, since non-Apple computers don't have an Apple key).

I'll give you that. I do recall using Mac computers when I was in 3rd grade and having to use the apple key, now that I think about it. That particular reference was mostly a matter of preference on my part, and not really a fault of Apple... only a poor example of the annoying lack of cross compatability in many aspects of the Mac vs. the PC.

Look at the specs of my machines.  Neither of them seem "sluggish" to me. 

The person you quoted mad no "insane claims" about the Mac.  They simply pointed out some of the reasons that someone might want to switch.  Oh, and I (along with most others here) use a multi-button mouse with my Macs.  Not that we have to, since the interface is designed for single button use, but it makes some shortcuts easier to get to.

The feel that I got from the post I quoted was that those were all great features that would make the Mac so much better than everything out there, especially when the only really good thing in the list was Spotlight, which I feel is even better than the google desktop search for PC. Multi button mice should just be something that is included with the system at this point. It is silly, especially when working in photoshop and illustrator. It's so nice to have a right click for changing certain properties and using a secondary color. I agree that the design of the interface for the Mac is good with one button mice, but I think that most applications out there benifit greatly from 2 or more button mice.

It seems that YOU are the one making "wild accusations", not the person you quoted.

Your lack of being able to tell me what specifically was wrong with my first list of statements just goes to show how you really can't argue with what I said... things like expose and drag and drop installs are nice, but not a reason to switch to the Mac. I don't see what there is to argue with what I was saying. I thought I made my point quite clear... there are lots of things that OSX has that aren't that special, even though Mac folk like to claim they are genius. I mean seriously, desktop widget-type-things have been out there since Active Desktop for windows (and they were in HTML!) and then there was stuff like samurize and konfabulator (now on Mac and PC) and Apple has decided to jump on the bandwagon and add their own widgets, but after having checked it out, I really don't like it because it takes over your whole desktop with the black backdrop there. Widgets should float on your desktop without running a whole screen ordeal. Oh well, I guess some people are just in denial about their operating systems and have never gotten out from under a rock and checked out the software and hardware out there, or maybe I'm just perfectly happy with my inferior operating systems...

[zerolimit]

Your machine won't take DIMMs in that size.  The largest size it will take is 256MB (which is why the limit on it is 1GB = 4x256MB).

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Oh!!! ok ill just buy another 256 then. Thanks. but so far I love my mac. :)

woot woot!

next a G5 !!! :woot:

[JiveMasterT]

Oh!!! ok ill just buy another 256 then. Thanks. but so far I love my mac. :)

woot woot!

next a G5 !!!  :woot:

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Tons of memory is always a good thing! I say pack in as much as you possibly can! Glad you like your Mac.

[zerolimit]

Changing some jumpers is "crazy stuff"?  That's a fairly standard way of doing things on older machines.

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Thing is it doesn't say were to put the jumpers roadwarrior. I have a 400mhz machine right now. I want to pump it up to 450 mhz atleast. were should I put the jumpers. for that? Let me know so I can do it tonight. I didn't really understand that article! Sorry I guess im not good at that.

[raskren]

Save for a Pentium.

[Southern Patriot]

Thing is it doesn't say were to put the jumpers roadwarrior. I have a 400mhz machine right now. I want to pump it up to 450 mhz atleast. were should I put the jumpers. for that? Let me know so I can do it tonight. I didn't really understand that article! Sorry I guess im not good at that.

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Dude, that article couldn't be any clearer. I'll quote the relevant part here:

Next, you need to change the upper four jumpers. If you wish to set your processor to 350 MHz, insert a jumper on the uppermost set. If you wish to bump your processor to 400 MHz, insert one on the first and third jumper sets. If you wish to over clock to 450 MHz, insert a jumper on the fourth (farthest from you) set. And to try the 500 MHz speed, insert a jumper on the third set of pins.

  CPU Speeds Listed Assume 100 MHz (default) Bus Speed

    (S = Jumper present or "Set", " " = no jumper)

            Multiple     | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+
            3x   300 MHz |   | S | S | S |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+
            3.5x 350 MHz |   |   |   | S |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+
            4x   400 MHz |   | S |   | S |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+
            4.5x 450 MHz | S |   |   |   |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+
            5x   500 MHz |   | S |   |   |
            -------------+---+---+---+---+

[zerolimit]

so for 450 mhz put a jumper on the First Pins and on the Third Pins?

so I would need two jumpers only? Is that correct?