16 year old youth beaten by police

[threetonesun]

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/11/police_video.htm

yep, the camera man had 3 prior charges against him. Makes sense why he tried hiding from the police in the first place...and then refused to give out his address. It's interesting that he still chose to release the tape to the media, proving its existence. Maybe he thought it was important. Or, maybe he figured the money was worth it.

[NOS482]

Originally posted by threetonesun

http://www.boston.com/news/daily/11/police_video.htm

yep, the camera man had 3 prior charges against him. Makes sense why he tried hiding from the police in the first place...and then refused to give out his address. It's interesting that he still chose to release the tape to the media, proving its existence. Maybe he thought it was important. Or, maybe he figured the money was worth it.

What money?

[SuperJediMedia]

OK, I don't get it... it makes no sense to me, but then again I am much smarter.

Actually, if you truly think A) that 16-years old boy is retarded, then it DOES make sense, or B) the cop racially attack the kid first to provoke the kid's anger, otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense.

*SIGH* If you can't say that boy is retarded, then I wonder what went through the boy's head when he lunged at the cop, and grab cop's crouch (what the news said - not sure if I could believe these things totally though). My good lord, no one attacks a cop for a suspensed license, unless they are really stupid. Especially if you have nothing to do with it (aka Passenger).

That's what I am really puzzled at.

[threetonesun]

Originally posted by NOS482

What money?

The money I assume he got for selling the tape to the media. Apparently the cops didn't get it first, and I doubt he let them air it for free...unless he really did think that it was that important of a cause.

We know what assuming does though...so I'll just wait for more info.

[azazel-]

Originally posted by JediXAngel

OK, I don't get it... it makes no sense to me, but then again I am much smarter.

Actually, if you truly think A) that 16-years old boy is retarded, then it DOES make sense, or B) the cop racially attack the kid first to provoke the kid's anger, otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense.

*SIGH* If you can't say that boy is retarded, then I wonder what went through the boy's head when he lunged at the cop, and grab cop's crouch (what the news said - not sure if I could believe these things totally though). My good lord, no one attacks a cop for a suspensed license, unless they are really stupid. Especially if you have nothing to do with it (aka Passenger).

That's what I am really puzzled at.

You honestly amaze me. Seriously. For the (seemingly) thousandth time, the boy isn't "retarded". By his own family's account, he's "emotionally handicapped". Not retarded. If anything, it's mentally handicapped. Get it through your head. Calling someone who is mentally handicapped "retarded" is not nice, it's bad, it's an insult, people get offended, etc etc. Don't know how else to explain it. What also amazes me is how you can just selectively pick parts out that you want to believe, yet completely disreguard other key aspects of the story. Fact of life; people in this country attack police officers for no reason, and for much stupider reasons than having a suspended license. Ever watch Cops and see all the morons that will run from the cops and get into huge multi-car chases down the freeway, for no better reason than the driver had some parking tickets. And as far as the boy being a passenger, scenario; car gets pulled over for having a taillight out. Officer goes up to give the guy a driver a warning, and sees the passenger tokin' on a crack pipe? Should he ignore it, because it was the passenger and not the driver? You point about the kid being a passenger has no bearing whatsoever. The cop can have all passengers dismount the vehicle if he wants to. That's his perogative. Typically it is done so in instances where the officer fears for his own safety, ie the officer is worried there might be a weapon hidden in the vehicle. It *does* happen, and there is nothing wrong with it.

However, I'm not saying the kid did *anything* at all until the full evidence comes out. This seems to be another thing you apparently can't grasp. Oh, and it's "crotch", not crouch.

What I'm curious about, now that I think about it, why did the cop have everyone get out of the vehicle...and if the kid did nothing wrong, why was he in handcuffs in the first place?

I wonder if the mods will be alerted on this one? :right:

[NOS482]

Originally posted by threetonesun

The money I assume he got for selling the tape to the media. Apparently the cops didn't get it first, and I doubt he let them air it for free...unless he really did think that it was that important of a cause.

We know what assuming does though...so I'll just wait for more info.

I don't see how he had the time to make any deal. He'll probably get the standard rate going. Any money he does get will probably go for his bail now. :)

[NOS482]

Originally posted by azazel-

However, I'm not saying the kid did *anything* at all until the full evidence comes out. This seems to be another thing you apparently can't grasp. Oh, and it's "crotch", not crouch.

I don't see how he could have grabbed the officers "crotch" concidering how his hands were cuffed and the position of the crotch in question.

What I'm curious about, now that I think about it, why did the cop have everyone get out of the vehicle...and if the kid did nothing wrong, why was he in handcuffs in the first place?

The kid was slow to react to the officers order and he just wanted to get back into his father's car where he probably felt safer. The officer failed to take into account that a child (Especially one who maybe a bit slow) just may be terrified of a much bigger person yelling at him.

[azazel-]

Originally posted by NOS482

Originally posted by azazel-

However, I'm not saying the kid did *anything* at all until the full evidence comes out. This seems to be another thing you apparently can't grasp. Oh, and it's "crotch", not crouch.

I don't see how he could have grabbed the officers "crotch" concidering how his hands were cuffed and the position of the crotch in question.

What I'm curious about, now that I think about it, why did the cop have everyone get out of the vehicle...and if the kid did nothing wrong, why was he in handcuffs in the first place?

The kid was slow to react to the officers order and he just wanted to get back into his father's car where he probably felt safer. The officer failed to take into account that a child (Especially one who maybe a bit slow) just may be terrified of a much bigger person yelling at him.

Eh...maybe...but I can't see this as some sort of high-stress situation. Meaning, I don't see what the cop was flipping out about in the first place. It was just the boy and his father, right? Plus, didn't the cop have backup at the time? Anyways, as far as the crotch thing goes, the kid appears to be cuffed behind his back, which might put his hands about crotch-level if the cop was behind him. Still, to be honest and blunt, I don't think the kid probably did anything. He might have, but I doubt it. I think this was probably just A ###### cop who went too far. Just too many things in this don't seem to add up and seem fishy.

What I do take offense at is the "cops suck" statements.

Not all of us suck... :right:

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

funny how a guy with a video camera just seems to be strolling along with enough time to get the actual arrest but not the start of the altercation. Not to mention the fact that he seems to think he needs an attorney to give up a copy of the video tape.

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

and in new news

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- In a bizarre turn of events, the man who shot the videotape of Inglewood police roughing up an African-American teen-ager was taken into custody Thursday afternoon by plainclothes officers who drove him away as he screamed, "Help! Help! Help!"

The Placer County sheriff's office said Crooks was arrested in February 1999 for stealing two VCRs from his mother's home. On his way to steal them, he was in a traffic accident and fled the scene; he was later charged with hit and run and driving under the influence for that wreck.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/12/police.be...ooks/index.html

[ozric]

Originally posted by azazel-

Eh...maybe...but I can't see this as some sort of high-stress situation. Meaning, I don't see what the cop was flipping out about in the first place. It was just the boy and his father, right? Plus, didn't the cop have backup at the time? Anyways, as far as the crotch thing goes, the kid appears to be cuffed behind his back, which might put his hands about crotch-level if the cop was behind him. Still, to be honest and blunt, I don't think the kid probably did anything. He might have, but I doubt it. I think this was probably just A ###### cop who went too far. Just too many things in this don't seem to add up and seem fishy.

What I do take offense at is the "cops suck" statements.

Not all of us suck... :right:

It looked like the cop had a wound on the side of the head.

In that situation as there were so many cop's around wouldn't it have made sense for another cop to take over rather than letting the monkey's (sorry cop's) aggression get the better of him.

I say (unless there's more to it than meet's the eye) slap the cops wrist and change the proceedure for that kind of situation.

Ozric :alien:

[IanD]

i hate all these police brutalities going on, i have made a petition and would like everyone to sign it!

http://www.petitiononline.com/pbus/

thanks!

-sMk

[SuperJediMedia]

Crook himself was under arrest by the cops... and why?

Here is why:

The Placer County sheriff's office said Crooks was arrested in February 1999 for stealing two VCRs from his mother's home. On his way to steal them, he was in a traffic accident and fled the scene; he was later charged with hit and run and driving under the influence for that wreck.

MY GOD, you call steal from his OWN mom a crime?

I wonder what does his mom have to say about this... either that his mother hates his own son. Or, whatever....

This incident is getting more & more mind-boggling *sigh*

I know a lot of you probably don't think so, but I feel (but I am definately not sure) this is just some Police Conspiracy!!! :paranoid:

[SuperJediMedia]

Originally posted by azazel-

You honestly amaze me. Seriously. For the (seemingly) thousandth time, the boy isn't "retarded". By his own family's account, he's "emotionally handicapped". Not retarded. If anything, it's mentally handicapped. Get it through your head. Calling someone who is mentally handicapped "retarded" is not nice, it's bad, it's an insult, people get offended, etc etc. Don't know how else to explain it. What also amazes me is how you can just selectively pick parts out that you want to believe, yet completely disreguard other key aspects of the story. Fact of life; people in this country attack police officers for no reason, and for much stupider reasons than having a suspended license. Ever watch Cops and see all the morons that will run from the cops and get into huge multi-car chases down the freeway, for no better reason than the driver had some parking tickets. And as far as the boy being a passenger, scenario; car gets pulled over for having a taillight out. Officer goes up to give the guy a driver a warning, and sees the passenger tokin' on a crack pipe? Should he ignore it, because it was the passenger and not the driver? You point about the kid being a passenger has no bearing whatsoever. The cop can have all passengers dismount the vehicle if he wants to. That's his perogative. Typically it is done so in instances where the officer fears for his own safety, ie the officer is worried there might be a weapon hidden in the vehicle. It *does* happen, and there is nothing wrong with it.

However, I'm not saying the kid did *anything* at all until the full evidence comes out. This seems to be another thing you apparently can't grasp. Oh, and it's "crotch", not crouch.

What I'm curious about, now that I think about it, why did the cop have everyone get out of the vehicle...and if the kid did nothing wrong, why was he in handcuffs in the first place?

I wonder if the mods will be alerted on this one? :right:

Hell **** this, nevermind

[Vlad]

I don't know what country you live in, JediXAngel, but stealing from your parents is a crime. So is killing them. And you're surprised at this because...?

The fact is, if the police want him for stealing from his mother, then his mother pressed charges. Which means he did, infact, commit a crime. You know what that is, don't you?

[SuperJediMedia]

Originally posted by Vlad

I don't know what country you live in, JediXAngel, but stealing from your parents is a crime. So is killing them. And you're surprised at this because...?

The fact is, if the police want him for stealing from his mother, then his mother pressed charges. Which means he did, infact, commit a crime. You know what that is, don't you?

What I am surprised is his mother pressed charge against his OWN son?

Wow, a lots of you parents are so cold.

I know my parents wouldn't do that, and I wouldn't do that to my own kids.

[Vlad]

Originally posted by sMk

i hate all these police brutalities going on, i have made a petition and would like everyone to sign it!

http://www.petitiononline.com/pbus/

thanks!

-sMk

I love all these police brutalities going on, and I'm going to make a petition and have everyone sign it!

d0n'+ m3zz w1+ da b1ue sui+z y0~!

Vlad

[Vlad]

Originally posted by JediXAngel

What I am surprised is his mother pressed charge against his OWN son?

That's surprising? If my kid broke into my house and started stealing my stuff, you'd bet I'd press charges.

[SuperJediMedia]

Originally posted by Vlad

That's surprising? If my kid broke into my house and started stealing my stuff, you'd bet I'd press charges.

That's pretty COLD - I know it's not right to steal (from anyone), but he is her OWN son; same blood, same genes.

I told you my parents, and myself would've forgiven stuff like these. Maybe because we are more kind than some of you out there!

Also, read the 16:44 post!

[Vlad]

Or you just lack a sense of morality. You break the law, you go to jail. How do you expect to be a man if you can't face the consequences of your own actions? Heh, I guess your parents hold you to a lower standard.

[Guest whybkuul]

Originally posted by JediXAngel

That's pretty COLD - I know it's not right to steal (from anyone), but he is her OWN son; same blood, same genes.

I told you my parents, and myself would've forgiven stuff like these. Maybe because we are more kind than some of you out there!

So going by your logic.. If her son rushed at her with a knife, and stabbed her a few times, she should not call the police, because he is her OWN son; same blood, same genes. A crime is a crime.. no matter how big or small. Have you even read over your posts before hitting submit? I think you should use the button named "preview reply" and just take a moment to do so. Your logic makes absolutely NO sense at all...

[SuperJediMedia]

Originally posted by Vlad

Or you just lack a sense of morality. You break the law, you go to jail. How do you expect to be a man if you can't face the consequences of your own actions? Heh, I guess your parents hold you to a lower standard.

Don't assume anything, you and azazel, and some others assume too much crap about me.

I am a VERY friendly, and GOOD guy, my record is ALL/PERFECTLY clean.

I haven't done One single crime, or even misdemanors.

My parents hold me to a High standard, and I held myself to a high standard. We have a strong trust with each other.

I believe family ties are important enough. You love your parents, your kids and wife.....

Ok, just thought about it hard, maybe this Crooks guy is kind of a loser ever since he was born (Which we don't know, and Can't judge yet) and he has done many wrongdoings, and his mother kicked him out of the house and surely enough his own son cause her great pain in these years she brought him up.

But, what I am saying really is that if Crook always had a good relationship with his mom, and they liked each other. Then, he stole VCR from his mother for the first time he did something like that to his mother, then I think it's cold.

[xRob]

Originally posted by JediXAngel

That's pretty COLD - I know it's not right to steal (from anyone), but he is her OWN son; same blood, same genes.

I told you my parents, and myself would've forgiven stuff like these. Maybe because we are more kind than some of you out there!

you are annoying me with your ignorance, i wish you would just stop responding, can you get it through your head, you have no arguement. You beleive what you want to beleive and dont take everything into consideration.

[corrosive23]

Its been stated by many witnesses, not including the other cops their, that the guy grabed the cop by his balls when they handcuffed him. I dont care who you are, if someone grabs you hard by the balls you will react. And the fact that only a SMALL portion of the tape was shown kinda factors into it as well. It doesnt show what the kid was doing before the arrested him.

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

Originally posted by JediXAngel

That's pretty COLD - I know it's not right to steal (from anyone), but he is her OWN son; same blood, same genes.

I told you my parents, and myself would've forgiven stuff like these. Maybe because we are more kind than some of you out there!

Also, read the 16:44 post!

You obviously didn't come preinstalled with a Logic patch. Just because they are your parents that doesn't mean that they can't press charges on you. Would your mum just bake you a pie after you tried to hock her 3000 dollar entertainment centre for ?40? I don't think so. Does patricide and matricide mean anything to you?

The Placer County sheriff's office said Crooks was arrested in February 1999 for stealing two VCRs from his mother's home. On his way to steal them, he was in a traffic accident and fled the scene; he was later charged with hit and run and driving under the influence for that wreck.

Crooks was convicted of the three crimes in March 1999 and sentenced to seven months in jail but failed to report for the sentence, leading to the warrant for his arrest, the Placer County sheriff's office said.

Crooks had not been booked yet on the Placer County charges, according to Masserman, who also said he did not know if his client had appeared before a grand jury or not.

Dan Hanna, who has been traveling with Crooks for the last two months, said his friend was terrified of the police after he shot the video and realized its value to the beating case. >

Terrified of the police because he's beenconvicted> of 3 crimes and failed to report to jail more like it. You did know about the 3 strikes rule in California right? Not to mention the fact he's a jail sentence dodger.

Big Bubba has got his arm lubed all the way up to the elbow and you can be damned sure he's going to be having himself a ball for the next 50 years with Mr Crooks (which is a fitting last name I might add).

JediXAngel you're getting a bit too worked up about this m8. It's not healthy. You've already convicted the cop based on one person's side of an argument and yet when all the facts are right in front of your face you make up excuses on how he can't possibly be guilty....

Have you ever thought about becoming a public defender? You'd be great at it:rolleyes::