The OFFICIAL Longhorn (ALPHA) Thread

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I have intstalled Longhorn and used it for a few days. This is what I have tested generally:

Windows Media Player 9 RC: Can install, but cannot minimize to toolbar mode as if of Windows XP

DirectX 9 RC 0 , RC1: Cannot install. RC0 prompts me that version supports up to .NET server 2003. RC1 produce an error prior to installation.

WinRAR 3: installs and works fine

ICQ Pro 2003a: installs ok. But have trouble when using the file sending feature. The dialog box for choosing files does not show any folders or files.

Some more tests are undergoing...but i dun want to install Office 11. Anybody has it installed?

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No it wont work, this new logonui from Longhorn seems to use processes and new dlls, eg the ntkernel32.dll

Longhorn Logonui.exe draws the Clock and Data procedures from that file.

Now I tried to use the ntkernel from Longhorn in XP to solve it but to no avail. Basically there incompatible

In short no it is not possible.

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has anyone got the Freestyle Media Center to work?

Also, does anyone have the New Longhorn wallpaper? Not the bails of wheat one.

i have the wallpaper.....contact me via email or any of the messengers (use the Neowin contact information to get my screen names) and I will send it to you.

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You mean this one m8?

Longhorn Bliss with XP Logo

I edited it to have a XP logo on it :) ....

Radish.

Yep that's the one. what about the Media Center?

The MS Media Center wallpaper is on another thread, i'll try and look for it :) ....

Radish.

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dreamsINdigital

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You mean this one m8?

Longhorn Bliss with XP Logo

I edited it to have a XP logo on it :) ....

Radish.

Yep that's the one. what about the Media Center?

The MS Media Center wallpaper is on another thread, i'll try and look for it :) ....

Radish.

uhm, i think he's askin if anybody has gotten the Media Center program to work under longhorn...

well if that's the case, this thread at << spam >> can help :

http://www.<< spam >>/board/showthr...ht=media+center

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LonghornXP

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uhm, i think he's askin if anybody has gotten the Media Center program to work under longhorn...

well if that's the case, this thread at << spam >> can help :

http://www.<< spam >>/board/showthr...ht=media+center

I don't use IRC or Edonkey. I use Limewire and Grabit. Can anyone help me to get CD2 for XPpro?

Also, I would like to know how to get rid of the Longhorn Media Edition with other numbers off my desktop.

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Phil Gates

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Im not going to touch longhorn until its in Release Candidate (public beta/rc phase).. from what Ive heard; this is what happens.. please dont flame me if Im wrong, its just what ive heard from multiple sources:
  • Longhorn phones home to Microsoft, like ET.
  • Microsoft logs your IP Address and gets information, etc.
  • Microsoft then sends that information to the FBI.
  • You have the Men In Black knocking at your door.

Im happy with Windows 2000 Professional now.. good and stable :happy:

especially since MS wants it leaked

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Ok I just wanted to start a debate about this as I think there's too little being said about this whole thing right now. I originally posted this in response to someone else, but though it would be good to repost it here and hear some other people's views on the subject.

As some of you may know Longhorn will be the next MS operating system, which will replace Windows XP . As stated on the front page, Longhorn will be radically different from any other previous operating system, specifically in that it will be the first windows version that won't function without new hardware, (This should be qualified with stating that this means a 'specific' kind of hardware).

'The first version that won't function without new hardware,' means that it will require a specific kind of CPU and special hardware, as well as software in order to be able to run programs, rather like Macintosh does today. However, the biggest difference of all is that this has little to do with making your PC run better - and much more in preventing you from using your computer in whatever way you see fit. The hardware and software in Palladium is primarily focused on preventing computers with non MS certified code from working correctly. That is, if it doesn't meet the requirements of the installed software and hardware, it will simply not run. It is essentially copy protection that is hard coded into your PC. With both software and hardware checking that all the applications, movies, games and music you have installed in your PC are 'legally' owned (baring in mind that the law makers are always pressing for ever tougher restrictions on the principal of what 'ownership actually means) the outcome of this strategy will ultimately be the death of file swapping and the free flow of information between computer users. Further, since all code will have to be certified as palladium compliant and MS plan to licence this technology on a cost basis - and also since no software that does not meet the palladium standard will be considered trustworthy under MS' trustworthy computing initiative, free software makers/OS developers will bare the brunt of this additional cost, thus virtually eliminating free software in a single stroke. So no free software, no free music, movies, games or anything else anymore. MS executives have often stated their outright opposition to the very notion of free software, likening it to a 'communism' or a 'cancer'. So every game you play, every email you write, every conversation you have with your friends and family via instant messaging, every MP3 you listen too, every movie you watch will have to be MS certified before Billy and friends will allow you to use them. As has been said before, it is the intention of MS to own your asses. (Apart from the hidden code in the new chips that also allows government agencies full access to the content of your PC, in which case MS will only too happily hand the government your ass). They want to be there, involved in almost everything you do. Sooner or later, if no one tries to stop them, they will want to crawl inside your head too - and edit the every thought and emotion you have.

This is Palladium. The line has been drawn. Once it is crossed there may be no going back, the world as we know it will have changed unrecognisably. I trust everyone who understands the implications of this will do whatever is required to resist it.

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I admit that some of the language used here might seem a little inflammatory, but this is a collection of many of the views that have been expressed on this subject in recent months in several forums I have visited. It is intended to shake people out of their tree a little an inspire debate - although I genuinely feel that this is a subject that we should all be deeply concerned about. I used to scoff at people that said MS wanted to take over the world, now I think its possible that they are actively planning for it. The first major step in this plan may well be Palladium.

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when they said that this will be the first windows version that won't function without new hardware, i thought that they ment u needed new, up-to-date hardware, such as a good graphics card since the new GUI will run off of the graphics card and not the CPU, but maybe your right, Microsoft will rule the world someday :o

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Don't suppose you've seen the movie "Conspiracy Theory", have you?

Secret code in new hardware? Come on... :laugh:

love that movie :p

anyways it could be possible, but if it does happen, consumers arent going to be raging to buy it, since they want a fast, sleek os that doesn't give shi..eer problems :) also if it does I'm going to get a mac, screw MS if they plan on stopping me :)

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The article is badly written.

longhorn DOES NOT require new hardware.....

IF and only IF you want to use alot of the new security and some of the speed features of longhorn you will need new hardware that has palladium and all that jazz.

but that is only IF you want those features. Longhorn will run just fine without it, you just won't have access to some stuff.

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raid517

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Don't suppose you've seen the movie "Conspiracy Theory", have you?

Secret code in new hardware? ?Come on... ?:laugh:h:

Yes I have watched it, I thought it was a good movie. I scoffed like you about things like this ever happening. However this isn't a figment of my imagination, read the front page, indeed do a search of Google on the subject of Ms and Palladium, you will soon find out that this is a reality. MS, Intel, AMD, Via, Transmeta (the makers of the Crusoe x86 processor in many notebooks) and an entire consortium of companies and government agencies have already agreed to implement this by 2004/2005 or whenever Longhorn is released. So at least do yourself a favour and read a little about this before you scoff.

This isn't fictional, or a vague possibility. Its coming, its an OS named Longhorn and a new integrated technology known as Palladium. If anyone here is crazy its MS - and anyone who is prepared to sit back and let this happen. Like I said, one day, not too far off in the far future (12/14 months max) you will wake up to find MS really does own your ass. I wonder how hard you will laugh then?

I would move to Linux if MS wasn't trying to force Linux developers to adopt Palladium too. And adopt it they must, since if they don't MS will do everything in their power to convince software and hardware developers that Linux does not conform to their 'Trustworthy Computing' standards. MS see this as an effective way of eliminating the threat that Linux and free software presents to them, since if an operating system does not conform to this standard, they could convince many developers not to develop for it. All movie produces, music studios and software developers will want palladium code installed in their media, since it is also effectively a copy protection standard, so why would they design or release anything that does not offer them the level of security that Palladium is supposed to offer? They simply won't do it.

Similarly all software, from music to emails, to instant messaging must be Palladium compliant, so MS will have their fingers in almost every aspect of your digital life.

But if this prospect (or reality) amuses you, then so be it.

Q

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raid517

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Thanks for moving the thread xStainDx. This was about a much wider topic than simply which opertaing system you used. But thanks for noticing that it had Longhorn in the title and moving it to the wrong section. Perhaps you can put it back and I can edit the title to "Palladium MS' Spyware Plan for All future OS'?" This is as much about Linux or Mac OS, or any other software application as it is about a MS OS. It is also about individual liberty and personal freedom.

As for LongHorn not requiring new hardware, this isn't quite true, as in order to run software and media produced after it is released, you must have a computer that has both the hardware and software Palladium components installed.

So much of the new applications that are released in future will not run on computer without this new specialised hardware. Remember it is about copy protection too, so developers will want to develop for it. The hardware will also be built directly into all new CPUs, so you won't be able to get away with just not installing the offending hardware. (Unless that is you plan never to change your computer again).

Ho hum, in any case I don't know how relevant this is discussing this here. The name of the OS is a side issue. The real issue is individual freedom. It seems soon that this too will be reduced to a commodity.

Q

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