andy2004 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 hmmm i thought i had the feeling of dejavu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqYb3H_-7A i think N.W.A said it best when they said f**k tha police :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 What a stupid statement, so its ok to shoot or taser someone because they might have a disease? Did I say that no. But when consider the whole picture of his resisting then the potential still exists. pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 he did resist. they told him to get up and go with them MULTIPLE TIMES and he refused. only then did they tazer him. He passively resisted (i.e. refused to help) which is completely different than actively resisting arrest. You won't find too many courtrooms willing to convict someone for passively resisting arrest. Besides what arrest was he resisting (other than resisting arrest)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy5 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 He was never charged with trespassing. You can't charge someone for resisting arrest unless they are already under arrest. What was he arrested for? He wasn't under arrest, he was being asked to leave the property, and refused. That's trespassing. It doesn't matter that he wasn't under arrest, you don't have to be arrested to be resisting. He could be charged with failure to obey a lawful order, it doesn't have to be resisting. Honestly, I don't see what the huge issue is. He didn't have to be such an ass when the cop held his arm, which is perfectly legal when escorting someone who's trespassing out. (After you've been asked by the library staff to leave and you refuse, you are trespassing) So now he's being escorted out, and a cop holds his arm to escort him out, how often do you see this? Just about every time a cop escorts someone. Look at it from both sides. The student thought he was being singled out because of his race. First off, grow the hell up, but I digress. So he's already on the defensive, and freaks out as he's touched. He may not realize it, but he escalates the situation. Now from the cop, they get a call about a person (you can't assume he's a student from the cop's stand point) without ID in the library who refuses to leave after it's closed to the public. So they arrive, knowing this guy is trespassing, and try to escort him out. As soon as they touch him, he becomes belligerent. He's trespassing, and now he's refusing to obey a lawful order to leave the property. If I were a cop, I probably would have done similar. I don't like tazers (they cost what, 20 dollars a shot, while a good hallow point costs a dollar), so I probably would have just made him eat carpet and been in handcuffs, but that doesn't mean he was being targeted, nor were the police doing anything illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 I was unaware that anyone could visually detect someone with a disease. Why have doctors and blood tests then. You can detect someone who has the inclination to bite or spit. He wasn't under arrest, he was being asked to leave the property, and refused. That's trespassing. It doesn't matter that he wasn't under arrest, you don't have to be arrested to be resisting. He could be charged with failure to obey a lawful order, it doesn't have to be resisting. Honestly, I don't see what the huge issue is. He didn't have to be such an ass when the cop held his arm, which is perfectly legal when escorting someone who's trespassing out. (After you've been asked by the library staff to leave and you refuse, you are trespassing) So now he's being escorted out, and a cop holds his arm to escort him out, how often do you see this? Just about every time a cop escorts someone. If he was guilty of trespassing then they should have arrested him for trespassing (which they never did, BTW). Instead they decided he was guilty and enacted their own punishment because "he should have known better" than to cross them. A society that tolerates that, isn't a society that I am willing to live in. That's western frontier-style justice not civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy2004 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 hmmm , it would seem that brutality is installed into police officers from day 1 , it wouldnt suprise me if the private police in the video went to this academy so they train police to abuse the crap out of people from day 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angry Bunny Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 He didn't resist, he went limp. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but I thought that was resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy5 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 If he was guilty of trespassing then they should have arrested him for trespassing (which they never did, BTW). Instead they decided he was guilty and enacted their own punishment because "he should have known better" than to cross them. A society that tolerates that, isn't a society that I am willing to live in. That's western frontier-style justice not civilization. Then shouldn't everytime you get pulled over, you get a ticket? Shouldn't everytime you steal a candy bar and get caught, you should have to go to court? Not every crime is worth arresting people, not everyone who commits a petty crime is a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 He passively resisted (i.e. refused to help) which is completely different than actively resisting arrest. You won't find too many courtrooms willing to convict someone for passively resisting arrest. Besides what arrest was he resisting (other than resisting arrest)? Well the courts and judges in those courts are the minority then. Because my brother arrested a DUI and his girlfriend kept getting out of the car after being told to remain in the vehicle. She also arrested for "Resisting without violence", which he said translates to interfering with official police duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digipoi Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm more likely to believe professionally trained law enforcement than a silly student rallying for a riot to help his petty cause. Furthermore, we really never got to see the video from the onset. If someone is asked to leave, then they should. I would have. Then Id go and get my damn ID card. If they treated me badly, Id go through the proper legal steps. I learned from a very early age not to be abusive to the wrong people. To be diplomatic is alot better especially when you have your hands tied. And yes, you have your hands tied going up against police officers. You think Id start a riot if I left my 'required' IDs at home? Id turn around and go get them. Id be arrested if I resisted leaving and Id expect such. You can detect someone who has the inclination to bite or spit. No you cant. Someone who is disciplined can get to anyone without them knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 Then shouldn't everytime you get pulled over, you get a ticket? Shouldn't everytime you steal a candy bar and get caught, you should have to go to court? Not every crime is worth arresting people, not everyone who commits a petty crime is a criminal. Yeah, everytime you get pulled over you get a ticket. Why wouldn't you? The cops don't have time to pull people over just to tell them they should be going slower. Well, in terms of the candy bar, the parents should be notified at the very least. If it is an adult then yes they should consider charges. I mean, how else can you tell if he doesn't do it every week? It's a big city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redFX Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 The fact that they put him stomach down on a chair and started tazering his butt shows that the cops were out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Angry Bunny Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 What part of the video is that on? I don't remember them putting him stomach down on a chair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Horizons Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 :x Bleh, that's just sad. The kid probably shouldn't have acted the way he did but the police were way out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombolcha Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything but I thought that was resistance. yes, it is resistance.. as defined by the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitreck Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 as stated before, he could have just got up and left. but he choose to resist and start talking about the patriot act and **** He started talking about the patriotic act AFTER he get tasered. Picture this, you barely can move, huge cop yells at you, nudge you, how would you act? I think the same. that crowd only got angry because he's middle-eastern I don't think it mattered for them what nationality he was, they just didn't accept the cops behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 given i dont think it should become any bigger than it is as a country :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Derf Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 yes, it is resistance.. as defined by the police. Perhaps as defined by police but I doubt that most courts would see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 17, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2006 i cant believe so many americans think this police brutality even looked as if it might be justifiable. where are you living? the british police, the occasional exception admitted, are much better trained at sorting out complicated situations without having to resort to violence. what you have there in america isnt normal, or at least its not something to be aspired to. its fecking scary. and if you dont know that then i pity you and your country. these ucla police were nothing short of animals. it is sickening to see this video. if you arent sickened by it, i dread to think what will become of the world because we always seem to be under the thumb of your country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcom826 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 i cant believe so many americans think this police brutality even looked as if it might be justifiable. where are you living? the british police, the occasional exception admitted, are much better trained at sorting out complicated situations without having to resort to violence. what you have there in america isnt normal, or at least its not something to be aspired to. its fecking scary. and if you dont know that then i pity you and your country. these ucla police were nothing short of animals. it is sickening to see this video. if you arent sickened by it, i dread to think what will become of the world because we always seem to be under the thumb of your country If you're referring to the video, then it isn't normal here either. For example, my campus police department works exactly as it should. Our library IDs after public hours are checked by library staff though. If you're not, then that's a pretty broad statement that doesn't really hold across the nation. Don't fall into the same pit the guy who got tazered did somehow believing that all the Federal stuff ties in with local police departments (Patriot Act has nothing to do with what happened to him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted November 18, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 18, 2006 If you're referring to the video, then it isn't normal here either. For example, my campus police department works exactly as it should. Our library IDs after public hours are checked by library staff though. If you're not, then that's a pretty broad statement that doesn't really hold across the nation. Don't fall into the same pit the guy who got tazered did somehow believing that all the Federal stuff ties in with local police departments (Patriot Act has nothing to do with what happened to him). yeah well you're right that it doesn't count for all of America. but there's such a small percentage of America that will stand up against this sort of abuse. Where are they? I can't help but wonder. Where is the America we all love? Why isn't it fighting against this fascist incursion? :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 50,000 volt Lesson...he will always remember...I bet the next time he won't even wait to be asked to leave when he see's security approaching. Besides let the ACLU morons handle it. The Moron should be glad 'tasers' were issued and they didn't have use the 'Glock' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurë Veteran Posted November 18, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 18, 2006 I thought that was pretty disgusting behaviour from those "security" guards. Since when are tasers meant to be used repeatedly on people who are clearly not presenting an immediate danger? Fair enough this guy wasn't co-operating, but I wouldn't want to co-operate with wannabe Nazis who are unnecessarily causing me pain. Another example of abuse of power. (Zimbardo's prison experiment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beh Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Yeah he's lucky he didn't get shot with a real gun!!! /sarcasm That's just stupid. He was in the wrong for not leaving when they asked him to, but the cops were ten times worse. The cops tased him after he was walking towards the exit, and then tased him about 4 more times after he is handcuffed. That's ridiculous I can't believe so many people are defending that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper101 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 given i dont think it should become any bigger than it is as a country :| OMG :no: :no: :no: :no: :( thats just wrong, seriously wrong, why there not right in the head. all they had to do is cuff his ankles and wrists and thats it. and carry him out. Using the taser gun is just wrong :no: :(. On a more lighter note i think BC should stay the way it is :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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