Sick of PS3 Bashing

[TDQuiksilver]

Forza 2? PGR4? Just trying to help out. ;)

Nah - Something a little more fine tuned and just completely gorgeous. And a Sony title nonetheless... :) Maybe one day you'll get it right.

[TDQuiksilver]

To the OP; people are mad at Sony because they ****ed up. It's that simple. 2 years ago, Sony and Sony fans were trashing the 360 every chance they got, ejaculating endlessly over the cell processor and Blu-ray, and how Sony was going to make MS's 360 look like a K-mart toy next to their gaming Porsche. Now we're here; Sony die-hards complaining about their poor console's critics, and saying to lay off. What goes around comes around, I say. These threads crying about Sony-bashing are often mis-labeled; if someone can actually have a debate without resorting to, "You're wrong and I'm right, so STFU!", it's not bashing, it's discussion. You're allowed to report the trolling, but not the well-thought out arguments, please.

That's where I believe some people think you are blind. It doesn't have to be only "You're wrong, I'm right so STFU!" to be trolling. These are not well thought out arguements, but merely the same recycled garbage posts we've seen for just over a year now. That's not "well thought out" to me, just repetition. I believe the term flamebait is also in the forum policies... and mentioning small jabs about owners "ejaculating endlessly" and "crying" is just the very foundation. There's that flamebait for you, but surely not from a moderator? The OP is probably trying to take this from a personal aspect as well as a technical/hardware aspect - about other users being asinine.

It is old. And it's quite eye opening to see that it's not only us Playstation owners making a statement about it. But I wouldn't expect any action from you other than a continuation of keyboard attacks. :rolleyes: Try making critiques about the Playstation in this current time without using last year's bandwagon approach... it might be more acceptable.

[Cormier6083]

^^ very well put, sir.

I guess everyone can be fanboys with a radical agenda to put down a video game console. :rolleyes:

[Sethos]

Like how this is turning out :laugh:

One side there's those viscous and evil Xbox 360 owners, whose only intend is to flame and bash

On the other side of the fence, there's the cute & fluffy PS3 owners, who has never said anything wrong, done anything wrong - Angels!

[Ironman273]

That's where I believe some people think you are blind. It doesn't have to be only "You're wrong, I'm right so STFU!" to be trolling. These are not well thought out arguements, but merely the same recycled garbage posts we've seen for just over a year now. That's not "well thought out" to me, just repetition. I believe the term flamebait is also in the forum policies... and mentioning small jabs about owners "ejaculating endlessly" and "crying" is just the very foundation. There's that flamebait for you, but surely not from a moderator? The OP is probably trying to take this from a personal aspect as well as a technical/hardware aspect - about other users being asinine.

It is old. And it's quite eye opening to see that it's not only us Playstation owners making a statement about it. But I wouldn't expect any action from you other than a continuation of keyboard attacks. :rolleyes: Try making critiques about the Playstation in this current time without using last year's bandwagon approach... it might be more acceptable.

The only flaw I see in your argument is making the assumption that people are starting threads about their bad opinion of the PS3. Most of the time this "bashing" occurs in news posts (generally bad for Sony) where people are trying to point out why the PS3 is good/bad as per the article and others try to counter the argument. That's what I think Joel was talking about. "Orange Box Delayed for PS3" and a post of "Ha! Sony sux!" would be flamebait and trolling, but discussing the difficulties being encountered by many studios in coding for the PS3 is just that, a discussion.

Edit: Also, I don't think you'll find GT5 more "fine tuned" than Forza 2, or possibly Forza 3, whic might be released by the time GT5 comes out. PGR4 is excellent for the type of game it is also (less simulation).

Edited November 24, 2007 by Ironman273

[TDQuiksilver]

The only flaw I see in your argument is making the assumption that people are starting threads about their bad opinion of the PS3. Most of the time this "bashing" occurs in news posts (generally bad for Sony) where people are trying to point out why the PS3 is good/bad as per the article and others try to counter the argument. That's what I think Joel was talking about. "Orange Box Delayed for PS3" and a post of "Ha! Sony sux!" would be flamebait and trolling, but discussing the difficulties being encountered by many studios in coding for the PS3 is just that, a discussion.

Try not to be fooled easily. You, as well as I, know that we've seen those sorts of posts even in the positive news threads. This "discussion" you speak of... it appears that some people have a different thought about what that really is. Even without being vulgar or childish with one's comments, there can still be quick hits and blatant flamebait. Again... it's just the same ol' recycled comments we've seen over and over again. And when such comments flood a discussion, it makes it nearly impossible to debate hardware, marketing and development intelligently without users fueling the fire.

Of all things - a moderator should be locking these sorts of threads. We all know the outcome each and every time... you this, you that, blah blah blah.

[Sethos]

Subtle bashes or Hit'n'runs happens very often with a lot of hardware ( Intel / AMD - nVidia / AMD ) Games ( WoW ) Formats ( HD-DVD / Blu-Ray ) Then why in the world would it be any different with Consoles.

[bdsams Veteran]

There are several reasons why the PS3 gets bashed:

1.The biggest reason, the PS2 dominated last gen sales, no argument. Its a natural feeling to dislike those on the top. Its the same in sports how every hates the yankees, patriots, la lakers...ect...apply that to consoles, PS2 was on top and people want the underdogs, X360 and Wii to prevail to show that Sony isnt the only contender...that is the biggest reason

2. Sony screwed themselves... They made a lot of promises that were never held up. Look at what was originally promised for the PS3 i think at e3 '05. That, along with their disastrous PR comments

3. The games available. PS3 isnt producing games like the PS2 was mainly because there is much stronger compeition

[stanley porkchop]

To the OP; people are mad at Sony because they ****ed up. It's that simple. 2 years ago, Sony and Sony fans were trashing the 360 every chance they got, ejaculating endlessly over the cell processor and Blu-ray, and how Sony was going to make MS's 360 look like a K-mart toy next to their gaming Porsche. Now we're here; Sony die-hards complaining about their poor console's critics, and saying to lay off. What goes around comes around, I say. These threads crying about Sony-bashing are often mis-labeled; if someone can actually have a debate without resorting to, "You're wrong and I'm right, so STFU!", it's not bashing, it's discussion. You're allowed to report the trolling, but not the well-thought out arguments, please.

*claps*

It's not the PS3; it's Sony. Their attitude, their promises, their arrogance- these things were never backed up. PS3 exclusives are simply not as good as exclusives on other platforms at the moment. Uncharted looks fantastic, but not fantastic enough to warrant a $400+ purchase. I've seen promotions giving away 15 Blu-ray movies with each PS3, but the things still aren't selling. It was strange to see everything else selling like hotcakes on Black Friday, while PS3s sat in huge piles in nearly every store I went to.

The console itself may be great, but the potential isn't being realized.

[Vortex566]

Can we all not agree to disagree ? Both consoles have there faults and both have there strengths ! I think it's all down to what you want heck I want mass effect so will be getting a 360 ! I adore the wii for all the Nintendo goodness i.e. Mario and Metroid !

[[bear]]

I bought a PS3 on black friday and I'm pretty satisfied. I have a PSP already so I'm already loving the XMB interface.

I wish the fanboy wars would quit though. Everybody buys the console they want for a reason, why should they be lauded for it.

Anywho, I plan to pick up some blu-ray flicks. I haven't made it back to my home yet since I'm (home home) for the holidays so i don't have an HD display to test it with. I need to get back to my place so I can really see how the PS3 does.

[ctebah]

lets put the games, software, hardware and all other things about the 360 and ps3 aside and look at the way they're built. a friend own both the 360 elite and the ps3. when it comes to loading times, noise from the console and parts used to build them, we both agree that ps3 has the 360 beat, hands down.

it's like 360 was built by GM and ps3 by BMW.

[Coldgunner]

Heres how I see 'the war' at the moment, think i've been rather fair:

PS3:-

A lot of unused potential

PSN, slowly growing, will be great in time

Controls, the old design seems to work best

Reliable hardware

Hardware performance, its there, so long as time is spent on it

Built in Blu-Ray

Great media options

back compat on older models

Upgradable SATA 2.5'' HDD

web browser

great psp interactivity

not as loud, but can be sometimes

X360

Large games library

Not particularly great quality hardware build

Live, A lot of content, but it has been around 5 years

optional HD-DVD

Largely windows centric media functions

no motion control (though hardly important)

Is normally the focus console in multiplatform development

Loud

limited back compat

optional 20gb and 120gb hdd's

Wii

Great interface

minimal but functional online functions (for games)

100% GCN compatible

Limited storage

non HD

great first party titles

third party titles a bit 'meh'

web browser

underpowered hardware

virtual console

loud disc drive

future DS related software

limited media options

[bdsams Veteran]

it's like 360 was built by GM and ps3 by BMW.

then the games would be fuel...where the GM is running on premium from shell and the BMW is getting some regular from joe-bobs gas pump and go

[spenser.d]

lets put the games, software, hardware and all other things about the 360 and ps3 aside ... ps3 has the 360 beat, hands down.

Yes. When you take away everything that really matters in a console, the PS3 wins. Why couldn't we all just see it from that perspective to begin with :rolleyes:

I honestly can't even fathom how you thought that that might possibly have been a good argument.

-Spenser

[Coldgunner]

funny thing is a lot of the naysayers (not all) in this thread have their gamertag in their sig somehow :p

sorry, just had to point that out

/me ducks

[ctebah]

Yes. When you take away everything that really matters in a console, the PS3 wins. Why couldn't we all just see it from that perspective to begin with :rolleyes:

I honestly can't even fathom how you thought that that might possibly have been a good argument.

-Spenser

well lets see:

1. it has SOMETHING to do with the consoles, they're being COMPARED

2. I CLEARLY stated in my post to put everything ASIDE and commented on that particular thing

3. the BUILD of the console matters, a lot, not to mention the NOISE and LOADING times

there, I put the important words into caps, as you seem to be BLIND.

[Sethos]

My PS3 makes more noise than my 360 - Loading time, in Port games are mostly longer on the PS3 as far is I've seen.

[spenser.d]

well lets see:

1. it has SOMETHING to do with the consoles, they're being COMPARED

2. I CLEARLY stated in my post to put everything ASIDE and commented on that particular thing

3. the BUILD of the console matters, a lot, not to mention the NOISE and LOADING times

there, I put the important words into caps, as you seem to be BLIND.

'something' isn't an important word.

In your OP, you didn't mention anything about the build of the console as a whole, you only mentioned the noise and loading times. For one, the noise from the 360 isn't a big deal to the vast majority of people. Second, loading times don't mean jack **** if the game is crap, not to mention they're really a nonissue, considering even though they may be longer, they aren't a ridiculous length in any game I've experienced.

My point still stands. You're terrible at making arguments. You took out everything that mattered and then tried to compare them. This stuff doesn't work like that.

-Spenser

[Vortex566]

This is getting boring now ! Just buy and play what you want be it the PS3 or the 360 or the Wii !

[Boz]

My PS3 makes more noise than my 360 - Loading time, in Port games are mostly longer on the PS3 as far is I've seen.

Bingo.. not only that PS3 is louder, but the load times are a complete joke. This is mostly because of Blu-Ray. Motorscross, Heavenly Sword, ridiculous load times. On Heavenly Sword it becomes completely annoying that you have to wait almost a minute to replay the level when you die.

I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say PS3 is quieter and loads faster. I guess people seem to see and hear what it suits them.

[Kraftman]

I own a 360, and I have to admit, when I rented a launch console, it was loud as hell. But, in about 10 minutes I couldn't hear it.

Now, I can't hear my 360 at all. I guess I have just adapted to it. Maybe the same applies to PS3 gamers?

[Boz]

Heres how I see 'the war' at the moment, think i've been rather fair:

PS3:-

A lot of unused potential

PSN, slowly growing, will be great in time

Controls, the old design seems to work best

Reliable hardware

Hardware performance, its there, so long as time is spent on it

Built in Blu-Ray

Great media options

back compat on older models

Upgradable SATA 2.5'' HDD

web browser

great psp interactivity

not as loud, but can be sometimes

X360

Large games library

Not particularly great quality hardware build

Live, A lot of content, but it has been around 5 years

optional HD-DVD

Largely windows centric media functions

no motion control (though hardly important)

Is normally the focus console in multiplatform development

Loud

limited back compat

optional 20gb and 120gb hdd's

Wii

Great interface

minimal but functional online functions (for games)

100% GCN compatible

Limited storage

non HD

great first party titles

third party titles a bit 'meh'

web browser

underpowered hardware

virtual console

loud disc drive

future DS related software

limited media options

LOL at your view of the consoles and how you downplay everything on Xbox 360 even though your statements are completely incorrect... all you do is put assumptions on PS3 without any solid backing (reasoning) based on what we saw so far, yet you go and downplay Xbox 360 things because what? Live has been out for 5 years? Who is responsible for that? That's called great planning and developement. This shows that Sony is so much about money that even though they had the lead they stopped innovating gaming. They just thought, PS2 will do everything for them.

It really boggles the mind how people justify things.

[ctebah]

In your OP, you didn't mention anything about the build of the console as a whole, you only mentioned the noise and loading times.

when it comes to loading times, noise from the console and parts used to build them,

For one, the noise from the 360 isn't a big deal to the vast majority of people.

You care to provide proof for that statement?

You took out everything that mattered and then tried to compare them. This stuff doesn't work like that.

See, that's the beautiful thing about comparing, a person gets to choose what they want to compare in the items.

[Boz]

I own a 360, and I have to admit, when I rented a launch console, it was loud as hell. But, in about 10 minutes I couldn't hear it.

Now, I can't hear my 360 at all. I guess I have just adapted to it. Maybe the same applies to PS3 gamers?

The sound on ocassion might be coming from the drive (not always though). On the other hand, when PS3 cooling turbines start spinning the whole freakin' room echos.

I always laugh when I go to GameStop and they have PS3 running, and the whole freakin' store is humming. LOL.