Sick of PS3 Bashing


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And this is the problem - their arrogance. Their decision to include BD on every iteration of the console forces customers into the BD/HDDVD debacle. (I personally don't care who wins that one, if it's BD, then fair enough). But when you have people who want the console but have no intention of using it to play films - where is the choice for them?

I can title it uneccessary, and 100 other may title it otherwise. But 1/100 of a potential market worth considering.

This arrogance is possibly reflected in the lacklustre sales figures (not just for consoles but also games figures) - from what I have read, they certainly haven't created the buzz the initial PS2 did.

I agree, it is a choice thing. And people seem to be chosing not to purchase (or develop for) the PS3. Why? Sony's arrogance? It's even reflected in their marketing. Adverts that don't really push the console at all - why? Because the PS3 should sell itself? It just aint like that anymore. Especially with Sony still pushing the PS2 so hard.

Their whole launch campaign was filled with half-truths, slagging off other consoles and so on.

Do I want to see the PS3 fail? Hell no! The 360 is only what it is today thanks to the PS2. Competition is good for the industry, and I loved the PS2.

Do I want a PS3? I don't know yet. There are no games that interest me yet. Maybe in the future? Remains to be seen. I refuse to buy into a format that may be dead within a year. I refuse to buy a console that offers me nothing. Once the PS3 comes to maturity - that may change.

I am far from a blind fanboy - I own a Wii, Xbox (original), PS2, and am getting a 360 in a few weeks. If something amazing comes out for PS3 then I MAY get one (Singstar being a possibility - what Sony does well, they do VERY well).

As for going elsewhere? This is an open forum - I am airing my view. I am not anti-ps3, anti-you or anything like that. But I have my views. I also appreciate your arguments - because if anyone can ever prove me wrong and open me up to things, then cool!

I fail to see how the inclusion of a Blu Ray drive is arrogance at all.

I said in my argument there is no element of force to get involved in the movie format war. The PS3 uses Blu Ray for gaming as well. IF the PS3 used DVD's for gaming but still had Blu Ray support for movies I'd be more inclined to your view.

Arrogance for Sony is their past/present (not so much present though) PR/Marketing and in-your-face attitude towards 1080p. That is arrogance. Not including a different drive in their console for competitors. This is their attempt at something new in the market. Are Nintendo arrogant for ditching typical gaming controllers and hitting out with the Wii-Mote?

The design/hardware of the console isn't tied to arrogance, it's how the company/PR promot it.

Now you can then go onto argue how this approach is shown by all companies to an extent when competing against rivals, but no one will argue that Sony have been guilty of the tactic the most this generation - This then leads onto the next argument of has this therefore hurt then... ect.

^ I don't care tbh though, I bought the PS3 for what it does as it meets my needs... not because I heard Kaz say 1080p/60FPS was necessary to play games. I care more about the product than the PR team. But likewise on what you said, this is an open forum, and some people feel the element of arrogance is effecting them.

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I've owned a PS3 as long as I've owned my XBOX, and I rarely use my PS3. Last time it was used was when I bought Ratchet and Clank. Now that I beat it, I bought Mass Effect and have been playing that non-stop. Sure, Uncharted is out (which looks amazing, played the demo), but there are still more quality games on the 360 (at least in my opinion, but I'm sure many others as well).

I know my opinion may seem biased, but after owning all three systems for a while, I can say that my favourite system, and the most used system, is by-far the XBOX 360. I use my PS3 for media stuff, like watching movies, etc, and I rarely use my Wii at all (sorry Nintendo lol).

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Well if you love PS3 and enjoy it why bother ? What puzzles me is that when saying why it is a good/great console you list all kinds of stuff and "games" showed up pretty late in the list. That tells something to me. I bought 360 for playing games. It can do all other stuff is just a plus.

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IMO PS3 multimedia > X360 Multimedia

X360 Games (atm) > PS3 games

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Are you serious ? :D (even if "IMO") I don't own PS3 and my only encounters have been at stores but I am not really sure it really beats 360's MCE or WMC, it might be equal but certainly not better. And I am not even thinking about Live marketplace. ;)

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I fail to see how the inclusion of a Blu Ray drive is arrogance at all.
The PS3 uses Blu Ray for gaming as well

Currently unnecessarily! Users are forced into accepting a format.

THAT SAID: Yes, I can see that this is in no way different to what consoles did in the 90's. But it's not the 90's - consumers have become used to having choice is all.

I said in my argument there is no element of force to get involved in the movie format war.

Here - have Spiderman 3. The first one's free! ;)

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Of course they've been forcing people. For more then a year! The only thing I had for the PS3 was essentially movies. No games. I paid $600 not for both, I paid $600 for a player as I got movies only. By deliberately not encouraging gaming, because they wanted to push Blu-Ray they have used me and other consumers who bought PS3. It's that simple.

The games are JUST starting to trickle out, but even though most people who ADORE Sony for some reasons and PS3 (which I don't really understand because we as consumers have been fu*ked so many times by that company not to mention their completely cartel like business behavior that's ILLEGAL many times) these new games are not so HOT after all. Drake Uncharted is a beautiful game, although lacks substance. It's a good game, but in no way shakes the ground. Same with R&C. I have bought, I've played numerous games on Xbox 360 and I play these games on PS3. Playstation fanatics would like Drake and R&C to be portraited as Messiahs, but their sales numbers show a different story. Not one broke 100k while multiple titles on Xbox 360s sold over a million.

Xbox 360 is simply a better platform, it has very powerful hardware and actually more graphics strength, Xbox Live is absolutely worth the money and achivements bring a completely new level of owning games. Mulitplayer and online friend network on XBL is amazing. PSN in comparison is a joke. Xbox 360 is easier to develop for due to the fact that Microsoft IS a a software company.

Just for the record, I have all consoles, and despite all the RROD, I still have my first Xbox 360 and never had a single problem. I guess I was lucky, but from my own point of view and in comparison Xbox 360 has given me TON of fun and PS3 possibly 10-15 hours since I bought it. Simple truth.

Boz again you turn this into a 360 vs PS3 hardware/software sales thread. The choice of what you buy is down to taste/preference, realise that please.

And I find it hard that you own no games for your PS3 just now as you said.

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I don't own PS3 and my only encounters have been at stores but I am not really sure it really beats 360's MCE or WMC,

It's a lot easier to actually get media onto the machine compared to the Xbox, and the PS3 works with other OS's such as OS X. Not all of us have Microsoft's Blunder (AKA Vista) to use the Xbox's media centre crap.

I don't like spending 3 hours importing music and editing every single track.

Also, Audio, Boz doesn't own any games because he does not support Blu Ray, yet he bought a PS3.

How can you have an opinion about something when you have confessed to not even spending time on it?

How is the drive arrogance? I could call it arrogance that Microsoft and Toshiba joined alliances to use HD-DVD to watch movies.

Oh! Why isn't Xbox using CD's for games? That's arrogant!

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Currently unnecessarily! Users are forced into accepting a format.

THAT SAID: Yes, I can see that this is in no way different to what consoles did in the 90's. But it's not the 90's - consumers have become used to having choice is all.

Here - have Spiderman 3. The first one's free! ;)

Every console forces you to play on the format it uses for its games though :laugh:

I don't see whats wrong with Sony choosing Blu Ray over DVDs for gaming. Developers don't seem to have had much issue with it either. There are benefits to be argued with, and negatives to be argued with. I'd say benefits outweigh, you'd probably say negatives outweigh.

Just because your rivals use DVDs doesn't mean you have to as well :wacko:

There is no choice involved when you buy a Wii or 360. You buy games on DVD.

I can't understand why you guys are this uptight about using Blu Ray for games?

Isn't the most important thing what the games are like?

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Boz again you turn this into a 360 vs PS3 hardware/software sales thread. The choice of what you buy is down to taste/preference, realise that please.

And I find it hard that you own no games for your PS3 just now as you said.

And what are we talking about here? Why people bash PS3, is that it? Of course it's a 360 vs PS3 hardware/sofware thing.

And I've already answered your question. Sony DID force ALL of us to buy into Blu-Ray by omitting games or not investing into them. Now they do, and of course, we do have a few, but that's pretty pathetic not to mention that games are hardly living up to the hype.

For your information, for more then a year of owning PS3, I have 21 Blu-Ray movies, 10 PS3 games ( pretty much all that are worth something on PS3 - Motorstorm, Resistance, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5, F1 Championship, Ninja Gaiden, R&C, Drake, Heavenly Sword and Lair I have returned). This tells you something and why I hate them. They've used me for pushing their format and left me with only a handful of games where some last only 5-6 hours to complete.

On the flip side, in less then 2 years, on Xbox 360 I have, 48 Xbox 360 games in addition to the ones I have already traded back and I have 100+ HD DVD movies. The difference between Sony and MS approach is that I actually bought the HD DVD add-on myself first, and then bought movies myself without feeling pressured. With PS3, I HAD to buy movies as I really didn't have anything else to really use the console for most of the time.

This is absolute truth on what I have experienced.

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You chose to buy the movies. The quality of the games is up to the users discretion, not just yours. Not just to flame your HD-DVD tirade.

People think that Blu Ray is the Anti-Christ of the format war. I guess you become desperate when your format is falling behind.

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And what are we talking about here? Why people bash PS3, is that it? Of course it's a 360 vs PS3 hardware/sofware thing.

And I've already answered your question. Sony DID force ALL of us to buy into Blu-Ray by omitting games or not investing into them. Now they do, and of course, we do have a few, but that's pretty pathetic not to mention that games are hardly living up to the hype.

For your information, for more then a year of owning PS3, I have 21 Blu-Ray movies, 10 PS3 games ( pretty much all that are worth something on PS3 - Motorstorm, Resistance, Warhawk, Virtua Fighter 5, F1 Championship, Ninja Gaiden, R&C, Drake, Heavenly Sword and Lair I have returned). This tells you something and why I hate them. They've used me for pushing their format and left me with only a handful of games where some last only 5-6 hours to complete.

On the flip side, in less then 2 years, on Xbox 360 I have, 48 Xbox 360 games in addition to the ones I have already traded back and I have 100+ HD DVD movies. The difference between Sony and MS approach is that I actually bought the HD DVD add-on myself first, and then bought movies myself without feeling pressured. With PS3, I HAD to buy movies as I really didn't have anything else to really use the console for most of the time.

This is absolute truth on what I have experienced.

Not totally :/ A lot of bashing comes down to stupidity as well. People doing it as it's a console that rivals theirs. Bashing would still exist if the PS3 was the best seller next year, just in the sense that people bash the Wii and it's No1 currently.

It's not just about 360/PS3 hardware/software sales.

*Sigh*... we will have lots of good games on Blu Ray during the life of the PS3 Boz. Sony aren't ommitting games and doing movies only. A "good game" comes down to two things. Is it a good game by merit - Average ratings in reviews, or a "good game" in regards to personal taste. For anyone to say the PS3 has no "good games" it's clearly down to personal taste and not merit - There is no argument there.

If you returned that many games, do your homework sir. I find it rather unsettling someone can make that many mistakes and buy games he/she doesn't like. That is why demos/reviews exist. Maybe we are just different in this area? I only seem to buy games I want, having only returned a handful of titles in my life.

Finally 2 things, no ones "used" you. That is just completely idiotic to say that. And if you truely feel that way Boz, sell your PS3 and get over your "mistakes". You also didn't have to buy movies. You have a choice you know Boz? Choice... the thing you rile on about fairly often.

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I have not tried it yet but I am very much into the Playstation, Well I love most (ok, all) games consoles (not an addict honest). There is not one console that has not had some trouble or another in our house, from electrical to just plain arguing with it (gremlins). Our Xbox had a good few overheating and cutting out troubles, we got a replacement free of charge and it's been great since. Each console has it's own "feel" and it suits another different, each to their own I guess

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Well if you love PS3 and enjoy it why bother ? What puzzles me is that when saying why it is a good/great console you list all kinds of stuff and "games" showed up pretty late in the list. That tells something to me. I bought 360 for playing games. It can do all other stuff is just a plus.

Are you serious ? :D (even if "IMO") I don't own PS3 and my only encounters have been at stores but I am not really sure it really beats 360's MCE or WMC, it might be equal but certainly not better. And I am not even thinking about Live marketplace. ;)

PS3 can connect to DNLA servers, there are apps tha will do this on your PC and encode on the fly. I can also encode mp4 files for my psp and store them on ps3 too. PS3 can also play mpeg, some avi's and will soon support Divx. It will also take any 2.5'' sata laptop hdd.

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PS3 can connect to DNLA servers, there are apps tha will do this on your PC and encode on the fly. I can also encode mp4 files for my psp and store them on ps3 too. PS3 can also play mpeg, some avi's and will soon support Divx. It will also take any 2.5'' sata laptop hdd.

360 can connect to Windows PCs, there are apps that will do this on your PC and encode on the fly. You can also encode mp4 files and play them on 360 too. 360 can also play mpeg, some avi's and will soon support Divx. It will also take any USB hdd.

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PS3 can connect to DNLA servers, there are apps tha will do this on your PC and encode on the fly. I can also encode mp4 files for my psp and store them on ps3 too. PS3 can also play mpeg, some avi's and will soon support Divx. It will also take any 2.5'' sata laptop hdd.

If you're talking about Tversity and the like, you do realise they were pretty much made for use with the 360?

Edit: just saw Ironman beat me to the post :p

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Yep... I'd say Uncharted and UT3 are very fine offerings for the "one year" mark. Warhawk is still popular... and oh yeah, there's that driving simulation game in the works... I forgot the name. :p ;)

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Yep... I'd say Uncharted and UT3 are very fine offerings for the "one year" mark. Warhawk is still popular... and oh yeah, there's that driving simulation game in the works... I forgot the name. :p ;)

Forza 2? PGR4? Just trying to help out. ;)

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360 can connect to Windows PCs, there are apps that will do this on your PC and encode on the fly. You can also encode mp4 files and play them on 360 too. 360 can also play mpeg, some avi's and will soon support Divx. It will also take any USB hdd.

um windows pc's not much good for those of us that dont use windows.

I own a ps3 and love it

All those xbox lovers just think about what they 360 was like after it launched ? didnt have many games, overheated etc.

Difference is sony didnt rush out the ps3 just so make sure they tried to get the advantage.

Wait until this time next year when the ps3 has some more of its bug games out then see what happens.

p.s also dont know why you should pay extra to get true hd on a console with hdmi. not analogue vga(not true hd)

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All those xbox lovers just think about what they 360 was like after it launched ? didnt have many games, overheated etc.

No problems here (35 games and counting / original launch console) :)

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um windows pc's not much good for those of us that dont use windows.

I own a ps3 and love it

All those xbox lovers just think about what they 360 was like after it launched ? didnt have many games, overheated etc.

Difference is sony didnt rush out the ps3 just so make sure they tried to get the advantage.

Wait until this time next year when the ps3 has some more of its bug games out then see what happens.

p.s also dont know why you should pay extra to get true hd on a console with hdmi. not analogue vga(not true hd)

The 360 can coonect to the same computers as a PS3 can. There just happens to be more windows applications designed specifically for it, but they all use the same protocol (I forget the name, though, begins with a D).

And paying extra? I can only assume that you mean the 360 elite with its HDMI. Well here's a news flash - ALL 360 consoles, core/arcade, premium/pro and elite now come with HDMI, so nobody pays any extra. In fact, you pay less as it was one of the ways Microsoft was able to pass on the benefits of less production costs to the consumer.

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Of course they've been forcing people. For more then a year! The only thing I had for the PS3 was essentially movies. No games. I paid $600 not for both, I paid $600 for a player as I got movies only. By deliberately not encouraging gaming, because they wanted to push Blu-Ray they have used me and other consumers who bought PS3. It's that simple.

The games are JUST starting to trickle out, but even though most people who ADORE Sony for some reasons and PS3 (which I don't really understand because we as consumers have been fu*ked so many times by that company not to mention their completely cartel like business behavior that's ILLEGAL many times) these new games are not so HOT after all. Drake Uncharted is a beautiful game, although lacks substance. It's a good game, but in no way shakes the ground. Same with R&C. I have bought, I've played numerous games on Xbox 360 and I play these games on PS3. Playstation fanatics would like Drake and R&C to be portraited as Messiahs, but their sales numbers show a different story. Not one broke 100k while multiple titles on Xbox 360s sold over a million.

Xbox 360 is simply a better platform, it has very powerful hardware and actually more graphics strength, Xbox Live is absolutely worth the money and achivements bring a completely new level of owning games. Mulitplayer and online friend network on XBL is amazing. PSN in comparison is a joke. Xbox 360 is easier to develop for due to the fact that Microsoft IS a a software company.

Just for the record, I have all consoles, and despite all the RROD, I still have my first Xbox 360 and never had a single problem. I guess I was lucky, but from my own point of view and in comparison Xbox 360 has given me TON of fun and PS3 possibly 10-15 hours since I bought it. Simple truth.

Woahaha.

There are some pretty ridiculous things in this post. Also, some flagrant exaggeration?

Achievements are nice. I like seeing the lists fill out in games like HGL and newer steam games like TF2 and HL2 episode 2. But, "A completely new level of owning games"? Are you massively overexcited by them or what? Also, do you realise that 'achievements' have existed in games for a long time... just with different contexts, or even *gasp* rewards!? Think GoldenEye, 007 difficulty and all the other flavour cheats you unlocked by achieving certain goals. Not to mention the other things like the rankings in Resident Evil games with certain requirements, or just plain old player-invented challenges in games (level 1 completion of final fantasy 9, amongst other things). No, achievements are nothing new, much less the hyperbole you use to describe them.

As far as the way you use your PS3, and your stack of blu-ray movies, I can only say that's the result of some strange set of rules you might have set yourself. Usually, when people buy something and discover they don't like it or get enough use out of it, they - brace yourself - take it back and get a refund/credit and buy something else! Novel idea I know. Wheras you went out and bought blu ray movies, to justify having it? I mean, if I bought a console, didn't like it or get any use of it, I sure as hell wouldn't go out and spend loads of money on content for it purely to make it seem like I didn't make a mistake, or a choice inappropriate for myself. I certainly don't recall anyone ever saying that Sega MADE them buy a Saturn, and MADE them buy stuff for it.

And you've had 10-15 hours of use out of your PS3 since you bought it, and even then you still went out and bought plenty of bluray films and quite a few games for it? Then you come on forums and talk about how sony MADE you do it all. This is definitely not Sparta.

tl;dr - If you buy a console, ANY console, and you don't like it or get much use from it, here are some simple DOs and DON'Ts.

DO take the unwanted/unused console back to the store and get a refund/credit!

DO have fun with another console or PC, or other activity you may spend your refunded credit/money on!

DON'T spend lots of money on content for the unwanted console. This is not the wisest of things to do.

DON'T then follow up by complaining on forums that company xyz MADE you do it. Mainly because it's an absurd claim.

Regarding your wondering at why people like sony in the games industry, despite their attitude/behaviour/so on, well, when sony brought the playstation into the fray, it really pushed competition in the industry, hard. And competition like that is why we have such a great range of games available to us now, and choice. Same goes for MS more recently, although xbox wasn't the same smash hit the original playstation was, the position for something so new wasn't really there, and we're seeing MS making a much better go of it with the 360. Gaming industry owes a lot to sony's entrance into the market (and in a sense, to nintendo, if you happen to recall how exactly sony ended up there in the first place :) ).

Honestly though, I will never understand people who come on forums to talk about why xyz company's console is terrible and they suck and I hope they fail and it's failing and I know so so don't try and think otherwise. Buyer justification reflex only goes so far. It's like, people who want for everyone to be less happy about the overall console/gaming situation at any given time. I'm very, very pleased with the current situation. There's a great deal of compeition, and competition is very good for us, the consumers. To wish failure upon/doomsay about any of the companies involved to fail horribly is to do every gamer an injustice.

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To the OP; people are mad at Sony because they ****ed up. It's that simple. 2 years ago, Sony and Sony fans were trashing the 360 every chance they got, ejaculating endlessly over the cell processor and Blu-ray, and how Sony was going to make MS's 360 look like a K-mart toy next to their gaming Porsche. Now we're here; Sony die-hards complaining about their poor console's critics, and saying to lay off. What goes around comes around, I say. These threads crying about Sony-bashing are often mis-labeled; if someone can actually have a debate without resorting to, "You're wrong and I'm right, so STFU!", it's not bashing, it's discussion. You're allowed to report the trolling, but not the well-thought out arguments, please.

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