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You realize the stupidity of that statement, right?

 

Treated with disdain <--> Longest reigning champion of the modern era

 

Does not compute.

 

He's a primadonna. He didn't like what they had for him, he took his ball and left. His prerogative. I thought he was awesome too, and had the T-Shirt. But everyone needs to get off his jock now. He wasn't fired. He walked out. There is no one to blame but CM Punk.

 

Hell, he'd probably have the belt right now after the Bryan injury if he had stayed. 

No  :no:  you don't freaking get it at all. Why do you want one of the longest reigning champion of the modern era get beat by part timer constantly throughout a year especially Punk is so fitting for winning 2014 royal rumble instead of batista because he won it 2005. WWE simply did not appreciate the way cm punk has pour it the hard work and no one in the last 5 years come close to delivering an outstanding mic skill as Punk. 

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No  :no:  you don't freaking get it at all. Why do you want one of the longest reigning champion of the modern era get beat by part timer constantly throughout a year especially Punk is so fitting for winning 2014 royal rumble instead of batista because he won it 2005. WWE simply did not appreciate the way cm punk has pour it the hard work and no one in the last 5 years come close to delivering an outstanding mic skill as Punk. 

 

I dont think Pipe bombs and dogging your company equals good mic skills. Truth is if he loved the business he had poured his life into he would have stuck around, maybe asked vince wtf man, you're bringing in part timers to win big events? Still he just up and quit... WWE is still running without him...so i guess in the long run it doesn't matter 

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No  :no:  you don't freaking get it at all. Why do you want one of the longest reigning champion of the modern era get beat by part timer constantly throughout a year especially Punk is so fitting for winning 2014 royal rumble instead of batista because he won it 2005. WWE simply did not appreciate the way cm punk has pour it the hard work and no one in the last 5 years come close to delivering an outstanding mic skill as Punk. 

 

So because Batista won it *9* years ago, he can't win it again? Thats dumb. Thats like saying since Punk was WWE champ before, he can't ever hold the belt again.

 

They did handle it wrong, but Punk shouldn't have won the match anyway, it should have been Bryan. He was peaking, and it was his time. Thats what the fans wanted, not Punk.

 

Not only that, but WWE gave the fans what they wanted in the end anyway, regardless of what it took to get there. I don't want to see Bootista win anything, but it wasn't Punk's time. If Punk had won RR2014, it would have killed Bryan's momentum, because WWE wouldn't have seen pressure to put a face into Punk vs Orton like they did with Batista vs Orton. They weren't really worried about the 'Yes Movement', they were worried about people sh*tting on the WM main event. 

 

Not only that, but $2m a year should probably get Punk to shut up.

 

As to part timers beating Punk:

Rock was because the two year build to Cena taking the belt off Rock had to be done.

Lesnar: Come on. Its Brock Lesnar. He would crush CM Punk in a legit fight.

HHH: That was 3 years ago. And that was off the UT/HHH match that year at WM which was an absolute classic.

Jericho he beat repeatedly.

Never faced Batista 1v1 since Batista's return.

Undertaker: Punk beat Undertaker lots in the past, just not at Mania 29.

So basically since losing the WWE title with the record reign he lost to Rock, Lesnar, and Undertaker. Three of the biggest names in wrestling history, and definitely 2 of the top 4 WWE stars of all time (Austin, Undertaker, Hogan, Rock). Certainly seems like something to complain about.

 

But I 'don't get it'. Thats cool. 

 

Oh, and Jericho and Bray Wyatt are both better on the mic.

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So because Batista won it *9* years ago, he can't win it again? Thats dumb. Thats like saying since Punk was WWE champ before, he can't ever hold the belt again.

 

They did handle it wrong, but Punk shouldn't have won the match anyway, it should have been Bryan. He was peaking, and it was his time. Thats what the fans wanted, not Punk.

 

Not only that, but WWE gave the fans what they wanted in the end anyway, regardless of what it took to get there. I don't want to see Bootista win anything, but it wasn't Punk's time. If Punk had won RR2014, it would have killed Bryan's momentum, because WWE wouldn't have seen pressure to put a face into Punk vs Orton like they did with Batista vs Orton. They weren't really worried about the 'Yes Movement', they were worried about people sh*tting on the WM main event. 

 

Not only that, but $2m a year should probably get Punk to shut up.

 

As to part timers beating Punk:

Rock was because the two year build to Cena taking the belt off Rock had to be done.

Lesnar: Come on. Its Brock Lesnar. He would crush CM Punk in a legit fight.

HHH: That was 3 years ago. And that was off the UT/HHH match that year at WM which was an absolute classic.

Jericho he beat repeatedly.

Never faced Batista 1v1 since Batista's return.

Undertaker: Punk beat Undertaker lots in the past, just not at Mania 29.

So basically since losing the WWE title with the record reign he lost to Rock, Lesnar, and Undertaker. Three of the biggest names in wrestling history, and definitely 2 of the top 4 WWE stars (Austin, Undertaker, Hogan, Rock). Certainly seems like something to complain about.

 

But I 'don't get it'. Thats cool. 

It doesn't matter whether or not it's punk time because they excluded DB from the match and cm punk is the frontrunner despite entering #1 and come close to winning it which ultimately get screwed by the authority. This is truly not something every one can easily get over it when you work so hard for a company then realize part timer once again claiming your glory days in wrestlemania season "twice" in a roll.

 

In fact, some of your point you made isn't relevant or make any sense at all. It isn't about batista vs cm punk match, it's the authority decided to hired back batista to win the RR instead of punk or bryan. The rock vs cena part 2 doesn't necessarily need to be in a wwe championship match but the rock vowed to win it one more time after ten years and poor cm punk need to hand it over the belt and let the rock bring it to red carpet for free advertising and pass the torch to cena. One last thing, i never specifically mention you can't win the RR twice because you can't compare it to wwe champion which can change hand every week compare to RR which only happen annually that shouldn't simply waste the precious opportunity for superstar that barely work diligently. 

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It doesn't matter whether or not it's punk time because they excluded DB from the match and cm punk is the frontrunner despite entering #1 and come close to winning it which ultimately get screwed by the authority. This is truly not something every one can easily get over it when you work so hard for a company then realize part timer once again claiming your glory days in wrestlemania season "twice" in a roll.

 

In fact, some of your point you made isn't relevant or make any sense at all. It isn't about batista vs cm punk match, it's the authority decided to hired back batista to win the RR instead of punk or bryan. The rock vs cena part 2 doesn't necessarily need to be in a wwe championship match but the rock vowed to win it one more time after ten years and poor cm punk need to hand it over the belt and let the rock bring it to red carpet for free advertising and pass the torch to cena. One last thing, i never specifically mention you can't win the RR twice because you can't compare it to wwe champion which can change hand every week compare to RR which only happen annually that shouldn't simply waste the precious opportunity for superstar that barely work diligently. 

 

You seem to be confusing kayfabe and reality. 

 

Kayfabe - Punk was booked to start the Rumble and stay in it until he was eliminated by Kane in order to set up a feud with Kane leading to a match with HHH at WrestleMania. Being a 'frontrunner' and 'coming close' don't mean a damn thing because THATS HOW IT WAS WRITTEN TO HAPPEN. 

 

The Bryan situation was real. The fans forced - FORCED - Vince (not 'The Authority' - thats kayfabe as well) to put Bryan in the HHH match and then the WWEWHC match by their reactions to Batista, Orton, the end of the Rumble, and Elimination Chamber. Vince's plan was to have Orton vs Batista. I'm sure thats what Batista was promised when he came back as well, a 1v1 for the title at WM30.

 

The Cena vs Rock storyline was meant to be exactly what it was. The only way Cena losing the first match made sense was that he was going to beat him a year later. In the end, except for Undertaker (and thats done now as well), the part timers are there to put the full time talent over. 

 

Yes, you DID say Batista shouldn't have won the Rumble because he won it in 2005. Go read your own quote. 

 

If Punk was so mistreated - why:

 

1) Did he get the honor of holding the WWE Championship for 434 days, as you said, the longest of the modern era?

2) Did he get the honor of a Streak match at WM 29, which was, to most, the most prestigious match on the card for the last 7 or so years?

3) Did WWE allow AJ to leave so Punk could bang her for 4+ months?

4) Did he get clean victories over John Cena, something only Punk and Bryan have done in recent memory?

5) Was he paid very well by WWE for the job he did?

 

He left. He wasn't fired, wasn't forced out. He quit.

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CM Punk was happy to run with the storyline when that played his way (longest running champion) but not when it didn't.  That can hardly be argued against.

 

He was given a MASSIVE push after the pipebomb storyline, and didn't really seem overly grateful.

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You seem to be confusing kayfabe and reality. 

 

Kayfabe - Punk was booked to start the Rumble and stay in it until he was eliminated by Kane in order to set up a feud with Kane leading to a match with HHH at WrestleMania. Being a 'frontrunner' and 'coming close' don't mean a damn thing because THATS HOW IT WAS WRITTEN TO HAPPEN. 

 

The Bryan situation was real. The fans forced - FORCED - Vince (not 'The Authority' - thats kayfabe as well) to put Bryan in the HHH match and then the WWEWHC match by their reactions to Batista, Orton, the end of the Rumble, and Elimination Chamber. Vince's plan was to have Orton vs Batista. I'm sure thats what Batista was promised when he came back as well, a 1v1 for the title at WM30.

 

The Cena vs Rock storyline was meant to be exactly what it was. The only way Cena losing the first match made sense was that he was going to beat him a year later. In the end, except for Undertaker (and thats done now as well), the part timers are there to put the full time talent over. 

 

Yes, you DID say Batista shouldn't have won the Rumble because he won it in 2005. Go read your own quote. 

 

If Punk was so mistreated - why:

 

1) Did he get the honor of holding the WWE Championship for 434 days, as you said, the longest of the modern era?

2) Did he get the honor of a Streak match at WM 29, which was, to most, the most prestigious match on the card for the last 7 or so years?

3) Did WWE allow AJ to leave so Punk could bang her for 4+ months?

4) Did he get clean victories over John Cena, something only Punk and Bryan have done in recent memory?

5) Was he paid very well by WWE for the job he did?

 

He left. He wasn't fired, wasn't forced out. He quit.

Confuse? Really? Every point you made rarely justify and completely obliterated his abnegation to have objection with the direction wwe is planing for him.

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Confuse? Really? Every point you made rarely justify and completely obliterated his abnegation to have objection with the direction wwe is planing for him.

What?

 

Besides the use of large words in a way that doesn't make sense - yes, he did have objection. And he took his ball and went home. There isn't any way to spin that. Instead of repeating your talking points, how about trying to argue against mine? Oh - you can't. 

 

Like I said, I loved watching Punk. But he had no reason to walk out. He didn't 'deserve' to win the RR or anything else. He got a LOT of great things that someone else would have to have the opportunity to have. And he still walked out. The only thing he wanted was to main event (go on last) at WM. When he was told that wasn't happening, he stopped showing up. Its really that simple.

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What?

 

Besides the use of large words in a way that doesn't make sense - yes, he did have objection. And he took his ball and went home. There isn't any way to spin that. Instead of repeating your talking points, how about trying to argue against mine? Oh - you can't. 

 

Like I said, I loved watching Punk. But he had no reason to walk out. He didn't 'deserve' to win the RR or anything else. He got a LOT of great things that someone else would have to have the opportunity to have. And he still walked out. The only thing he wanted was to main event (go on last) at WM. When he was told that wasn't happening, he stopped showing up. Its really that simple.

There is no point arguing because you don't put yourself in his shoes and think about it. The harsh truth is CM PUNK never actually win the big one in wwe other than holding wwe champion long than anyone in the modern era. There is three arguably the best superstar happen to be part timer like brock lesnar, the rock and (batista- during 2005-2010 which eventually gotten worse) which CM Punk could use this opportunity to bolster his career just like shawn michaels, the rock and HHH put over cena at WM 23,28,22. But the same did not happen for second city savior and it's WWE fault for keep pushing the same superstar for ten years without noticing the others.

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On the flip side, the device lacks software customization, the built-in AI needs improvement, the smart dial is a bit wobbly, and there is no ambient light sensor. EA Sports UFC 6 EA Sports UFC 6 does a better job at onboarding new players than most fighting games, according to Pulasthi's detailed review. The game comes with rewarding combat systems, top-notch animation, impressive impact physics, and visible damage on fighters. However, the menus lag a lot, grappling isn't very fun, and the flow state feels a little misplaced. More price drops! We got you covered with some hot tech deals all week. For some reason, if you missed out on a great discount, here is a summary of some recent deals that are still alive: GIGABYTE Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming OC ICE 16G - $649.99 (13% off) 1TB Samsung T7 Portable SSD - $189.98 (31% off) AirPods Pro 3 - $179 ($50 off) Edifier R1280Ts Powered Bookshelf Speakers - $129.99 (24% off) To view all of our recent deals, click here. So, these were some of the biggest tech news and other updates from this week. There will be more issues of our 7 Days series in the coming weeks and months, so stay tuned. You can also support Neowin by registering for a free member account or subscribing to extra member benefits, along with an ad-free tier option. Have a great weekend!

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