zaq1233 Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Congrats Bold and others. Great job. You have taken a LOT of the mystery out of XP. +++++++++++++++++++++ I found this just minutes ago. Too bad I hadn't found this weeks ago for you. Check this FREE APP out. It deletes and Moves. ===================== A Clean It Plug-In allows developers to expand the cleaning capabilities of Clean It by placing the code for each of the area elements in a separate module. This allows the developer to create a general, all purpose plug-in for public distribution, or a specific, custom made plug-in for in-house operations. A plug-in can be used not only to delete files, but it can be used to copy, or move them as well - the developer has full control. The plug-in operates independent from Clean It so there are no limitations on what it can do. It can be used to clean, or adjust mistakes in the system's registry in combination of removing dead files. Plus, a plug-in can be developed to allow the user to customize the settings, view the content, and credit is provided via the about box where the developer can also promote their web site. The possibilities are endless... To build a Clean It Plug-In you will need to download a copy of the Clean It Plug-In SDK (54.6 KB) that contains everything you need to get started. It includes is a sample plug-in complete with source and a final binary copy. A detailed help file is also included to help you along the way. Complete instructions are included and with Clean It's auto import all you have to do is build it, zip it, and ship it. Yes! It's that easy and any one with a C++ compiler can build a Clean It Plug-In in less than an hour. Download the Clean It Plug-In SDK and check it out for yourself. http://www.skylarkutilities.com/download/clnpisdk.zip ========================== Looks like it could make your work easier. A poser - earlier you coded for XP in D:\ . Is that still viable or only in C:\ ? I recently started using Acronis Image for re-installing. You do re-install with an image don't you? :D Cudos for your work.:D ZAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_KaBong Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 To Mr. Bold, Excellent work. I have been interested in this subject for a while and I'm glad I came across this thread. To stop the ill-informed you could preface each of your batch files in this way: @echo off echo Now here is an updated system32 bat file. This file is going to move 700 individual files from a fresh install of XP out of system32 and place them in a backup folder it creates on C:\ ...named simply, "backup".Within the backup folder will be a subfolder named "WINDOWS". Within that folder will be another subfolder named "system32"...where you will see the files that have been moved.This was done this way so you would always know the exact path where they come from should you decide to return any of the files to their original location. pause press any key to continue All this does is force the user to read your warning and confirm his intentions by pressing a key. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks a great idea, El_KaBong. I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to hear you all saying "Thanks" and "Good Job, Bold." I've fought off so many naysayers over the past two years, people coming out of the woodwork, or so it would seem, knocking my work as useless, and a senseless undertaking, and then always saying something to slight me. But when I hear just those couple of words of gratitude, it makes it all worth while. Now here's a surprise for you all: I just complete the cmd files for the "Documents and Settings Folders", and "Program Files Folders" I remove. With these like the "WINDOWS and system32 Folders" cmd file on the previous page, the folders removed by it will be backed up on C:\ with very smart subfolders placement, identically matching the original placement of the folders. I wanted them this way so that you would know exactly where any folder, or file it contains, came from. That way if you would like to replace something at sometime, you'll know exactly where to replace it to. All systems are configured differently for different uses. So somethings I remove, you may choose otherwise. I'll attach the "Program Files Folders" cmd file here, and then the "Documents and Settings Folders" on the following post. Enjoy. Now all we need is someone to write the script files for all the individual files outside of system32 I remove, and we'll have the very best XPLite around. ....Only our version will be called "XPSlim: The Way That Other Program Should Have Been" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 And here's the "Documents and Settings Folders" cmd file attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtaylor Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Just a couple of things... 1. You should NOT delete %SystemRoot%\Inf; this directory contains not only files that are necessary for driver installations but also files for program installations that use the old inf file installation (such as MSN Messenger 4 and below and Ms Powertoys), and files required for Windows Components Setup (Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs -> Add/Remove Windows Components). If you delete this directory, you will be prompted for a CD for driver installations, will not be able to uninstall programs you've installed that use the old inf file installation, and the list of components in Windows Components Setup will be completely blank!! However, it IS safe to delete *.pnf and *.bak in that directory, as well as any directories containing the word 'tour' that you might find in there (tours for Windows XP and WMP). 2. NEVER remove any application by simply deleting its program directory (usually in C:\Program Files)!! There's a lot more to an application that just the files in Program Files; there could be registry entries, shortcuts, files in other directories (such as %UserProfile%\Application Data or %SystemRoot%). You should always UNINSTALL a program to remove it, either with an uninstall shortcut on the Start Menu, or in Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs. In the case of MSN Explorer and NetMeeting (as well as other Windows components), these can be removed using Windows Components Setup (Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs -> Add/Remove Windows Components). If after uninstallation, the program directory still remains (usually in Program Files), it should then be safe to delete. You might also want to try out a little program that I wrote called CleanUp, which clears out unneeded files and registry entries (Evidence Cleanup section). You can get it from http://djtsoft.dyndns.org/software.php?page=cleanup (site not online 24 hours). Note: the .NET Framework 1.1 is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 djtaylor Just a couple of things... 1. I'm sure you're a very bright fellow, djtaylor. I don't mean to be rude. It just this only-I-know-everything-about-Windows attitude of yours kind of bugs me a little. Maybe if next time you start a post that tears down a project like this...a project that has been going on for a very long time...and contributed to by some very bright people...people who, like yourself, also know what they are doing...you could loose a little of that arrogance of yours, and start your post with, "I could be wrong, but..." 2. I'm sure you're a very bright fellow, djtaylor. I don't mean to be rude. It just this only-I-know-everything-about-Windows attitude of yours kind of bugs me a little. Maybe if next time you start a post that tears down a project like this...a project that has been going on for a very long time...and contributed to by some very bright people...people who, like yourself, also know what they are doing...you could loose a little of that arrogance of yours, and start your post with, "I could be wrong, but..." Oh. Who said anything about deleting the inf folder? Did you read this part? Here, I'll put it up in case you hadn't: C:\WINDOWS\inf I deleted all .PNF files in this folder. (PNF files, are cache-type files that will be re-created when and if their corresponding .inf file is called upon. Per relder: It's a "pre-compiled" version of the ASCII .INF file that gets created when the Setup first processes a particular .INF file. It's done to speed up searches of the .INF files (as you've noticed there are LOTS of those on the system in Windows 2000/XP); if the dates of the .INF and .PNF files compare favorably (.PNF is later than .INF) the corresponding .PNF file will be used (if present). If, and only after you give it some time, (say 30 days), a corresponding .PNF file is not re-created alongside the .INF file, it most-likely means you aren't using the .INF file. I go ahead and delete them. (What I do sometimes instead of waiting, is run through every application on my system and then delete (or save) all the .INF files that haven't created a corresponding .PNF file beside it.) However, in the meanwhile, and I picked this tip up from NeoMayhem, who like me, is also is also into trimming down his XP installation: "Do a search for mdm*.* and delete everything that comes up. These are all modem drivers, and it is very unlikely you will ever need them because you either have a modem installed already, or if you do add one, it will come with newer drivers." I also delete the "mdminst.dll" (Modem Class Installer) from the system32 folder. It'll also come up with the search. Also in the inf folder, I delete these three files: INFCACHE.1 wuau.adm unregmp2.exe...Windows Media Player Setup Utility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtaylor Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 I wasn't being arrogant!! I was simply warning people (esp newbies) that it's NOT safe to delete the directories I mentioned so that they don't come back with "I've done what you told me to do and now something doesn't work properly", and I never said I knew everything! And I didn't tear the project down! I didn't say there was anything wrong with the rest of it, did I?? I wasn't replying to your posts; I was replying to the first post, where NeoMayhem says not to delete the inf directory itself, just everything inside. And I know what pnf files are, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot76 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 well i dunno wot Bold_Fortunes problem is with djtaylors post is, seems djtaylor put forward some very good arguments to the original post for this thread, in which case HELPING this worthwhile and long running project. all i can say is thanks djtaylor for the extra info in decyphering windows, and Bold_Fortune try not to b so harsh on people posting especially when its obvious he was being helpful and not being arrogant just my 2p :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosh Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Just ignore him djtaylor. Bold Fortune spent 2 years looking for random files to delete. Any sane person wouldn't do this. Most of the files bold deletes don't free up space. Deleting the .pnf files in the inf folder will only free up 100k, and the .pnf's are automatically rebuilt everytime the inf is used, so over the long run you won't save any space at all. -gosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 You're right, elliot76. I misinterpreted what djtaylor was saying. I messed up. Thanks for straightening me out. I'll try not to do that again. My sincere apologies, djtaylor. I see now you were trying to help folks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radix Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Can someone make a complete resume ? i cant follow all the steps in all these threads... I would be nice for all our neowinians fellows ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 would my net connection die if i stopped these services and deleted these drivers: Remote Access Auto Connection Driver Remote Access IP ARP Driver Remote Access NDIS TAPI Driver rasacd.sys rasl2tp.sys raspppoe.sys raspptp.sys raspti.sys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuhi Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 errr...why don't you try it, it's different for broadband and for dial-up systems, test it, no harm can be done...don't forget to backup files first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoMayhem Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 raspppoe.sys is used to connect to some DSL services, you probably dont need it unless you know you use PPPoE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 (edited) RanCorX2, I usually check inside the Layout.ini file within the Prefetch folder. If I see a Driver, DLL, EXE, Font, NLS, or any other file listed there, I take particular caution when testing them for removal from my system. Although some you can remove quite safely, nine out of ten times, is the case for me, when I delete something listed in the Layout.ini file, I can't reboot or restart Windows. You just kind of have to be prepared for that happening if you play with the files listed there. On the other hand, if you remove a bunch of files from your system...but you never remove any file listed in the Layout.ini file...you'll always be able to at least reboot your system...but that doesn't neccessarily mean that nothing will be wrong once you do. Edited February 5, 2004 by Bold_Fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachikho Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i've tested above 4 files: u can safely use 3 .cmd files but DON'T touch the .bat file unless u know exactly what u r doing (keep a backup of ur system be4 trying anything)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 I took on the dreaded WinSxS folder...with surprising success. This folder has always vexed me. I had brought up the Layout.ini file on a prior post above, and I decided to see if it could help me out with what SHOULD NOT be removed from the WinSxS folder...and it did! I'm so confident that everything I removed was safe to delete, that I've already backed up my image with these deletions. If you are going to try this, PLEASE check YOUR Layout.ini file, just in case it shows something different than mine. First, I deleted all ".cat" files from these folders: C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\Manifests C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\Policies I deleted all ".cat" files within this folder's subfolders. Then I deleted every folder NOT LISTED in my Layout.ini file. These are what are listed for me in my Layout.ini file, so I only kept these, and deleted all the rest...again, yours could show something different, so double check: C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\MANIFESTS\X86_MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.SYSTEMCOMPATIBLE_6595B64144CCF1DF_5.1.0.0_X-WW_FC342B0B.MANIFEST C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\MANIFESTS\X86_MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.COMMON-CONTROLS_6595B64144CCF1DF_6.0.10.0_X-WW_F7FB5805.MANIFEST C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\MANIFESTS\X86_MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.GDIPLUS_6595B64144CCF1DF_1.0.10.0_X-WW_712BEFD8.MANIFEST C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\POLICIES\X86_POLICY.1.0.MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.GDIPLUS_6595B64144CCF1DF_X-WW_4E8510AC\ C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\POLICIES\X86_POLICY.6.0.MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.COMMON-CONTROLS_6595B64144CCF1DF_X-WW_5DDAD775\ C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\POLICIES\X86_POLICY.6.0.MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.COMMON-CONTROLS_6595B64144CCF1DF_X-WW_5DDAD775\6.0.10.0.POLICY C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\POLICIES\X86_POLICY.1.0.MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.GDIPLUS_6595B64144CCF1DF_X-WW_4E8510AC\1.0.10.0.POLICY C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\X86_MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.COMMON-CONTROLS_6595B64144CCF1DF_6.0.10.0_X-WW_F7FB5805\ C:\WINDOWS\WINSXS\X86_MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.COMMON-CONTROLS_6595B64144CCF1DF_6.0.10.0_X-WW_F7FB5805\COMCTL32.DLL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachikho Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 after following Bold's tips, my 2k system can't remove programs from control panel, what's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 bachikho, I'm not sure what you mean by being unable to remove programs from your Control Panel. Do you mean the Add/Remove Programs Utility? Or do you mean your Disk Cleanup Utility? The Disk Cleanup Utility won't open if you delete the wrong .inf files in C:\WINDOWS\inf. The Add/Remove Utility would associate the removal of programs using the .msi files in C:\WINDOWS\Installer, or even the files C:\Program Files\InstallShield Installation Information. Also, if you removed the uninstall.log, or install.log to a program the program could then become uninstallable. I never mentioned removing any of these files. Also, I don't know if this will work with 2k. I'm using XP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 i have disabled prefetching as i don't notice a difference on my system and theres no layout file in the prefetch folder i don't use PPPoE either. so i guess its safe to mess with stuff now ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 For Jan. Jan, I've been running without these Fonts for about a week now with no noticeable difference. So I guess you can include them in the list I gave you: cour.ttf courbi.ttf couri.ttf l_10646.ttf timesbi.ttf timesi.ttf These are the only Fonts I have now in the Fonts Folder: arial.ttf arialbd.ttf arialbi.ttf ariali.ttf cga40woa.fon cga80woa.fon courbd.ttf coure.fon dosapp.fon ega40woa.fon ega80woa.fon lucon.ttf marlett.ttf micross.ttf modern.fon roman.fon serife.fon smalle.fon sserife.fon symbole.fon tahoma.ttf tahomabd.ttf times.ttf timesbd.ttf verdana.ttf verdanab.ttf verdanai.ttf verdanaz.ttf vgafix.fon vgaoem.fon vgasys.fon 31 file(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachikho Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 bachikho, I'm not sure what you mean by being unable to remove programs from your Control Panel. Do you mean the Add/Remove Programs Utility? Or do you mean your Disk Cleanup Utility? The Disk Cleanup Utility won't open if you delete the wrong .inf files in C:\WINDOWS\inf. The Add/Remove Utility would associate the removal of programs using the .msi files in C:\WINDOWS\Installer, or even the files C:\Program Files\InstallShield Installation Information. Also, if you removed the uninstall.log, or install.log to a program the program could then become uninstallable. I never mentioned removing any of these files. Also, I don't know if this will work with 2k. I'm using XP. i can't remove progs if using Add/Remove Programs Utility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 bachikho, I guess it just goes to show that not all systems are the same. I don't have a problem with Add/Remove. I don't know what to tell you. Try putting back the system32 files you backed up and see if it restores Add/Remove's function. That's all I can think of. I have a feeling, though, that it's cause is from something else, because I don't know of any file I remove that would cause that...again, at least not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwod Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Hey, Bold_Fortune, may be with some work we could make our Own NeoWin Xplite.......... Since i guess you have done all the hard work already. It is only just a matter of a program that allow user to choose and tick stuff they want to remove............ OH! Why not add remove Outlook express and Modem Driver in Autopatcher?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold_Fortune Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Hey, Bold_Fortune, may be with some work we could make our Own NeoWin Xplite..........Since i guess you have done all the hard work already. It is only just a matter of a program that allow user to choose and tick stuff they want to remove............ iwod, there'd be a real problem with that. Reason being, the files and folders I remove from my system work for me. What I put up here can only be used by other XP users...at best...as a guide to help point out the "possibilities" of what could be removed from an XP installation. If someone did write "NeoWin Lite" based on the files and folders I remove, the disclaimer would have to read... "If your system is not setup "exactly" like Bold_Fortune's, chances are you are going to experience some problems when removing some of these files and folders." That's the reason I made sure my bat and cmd files backup the files and folders they remove. I did that for those who will try some of this out, because some of them will undoubtedly need something I don't, and will want to replace it. I'm pretty much at the end. It was a fun project for me, and I was happy that I could share my work with people who are interested. Mostly, because I knew there were lots of other people like me who really did want to know what could be removed from XP. Not many people ever gave me much of an intelligent answer when I asked, so I was determined to find my own answers, and share them with others. Good Luck, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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