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16 hours ago, Pork Chopper said:

It's a freaking TV show don't analyze too much. :-)

Yes, we realize it is a TV show but does not mean we cannot have a discussion about it.  Just like with movies, TV shows can be confusing to some and people ask questions to understand better.  I didnt know the battle was based of a real event until I actually looked in to the last episode some more.  If you don't have anything constructive to contribute, then why post.

[Syanide]

15 hours ago, Luc2k said:

I expect consistency within its created universe and internal logic.

But the high corpse wall wasn't inconsistent with anything. Dany getting a sunburn next episode would be void of internal logic, making a high corpse wall that might not have been super realistic to create an engaging battle scene is called artistic license. The characters, their motivations and their actions were spot on in the episode, that's what counts. The show doesn't tout itself as being historically or warfare accurate, anyway, so I'd say the battle succeeded at what it set out to achieve perfectly: showing just how brutal and horrifying combat is.

[Dashel]

It was the trenches, yo!  There was lots of 'artistic license' going on with this episode.  I think the nice 'holes' in the corpse wall for the shields bugs me more than its height/clumps.

 

1) Sansa left before Ramsay mentioned he was starving his dogs

2) How exactly (and what parts) did Ned's body make it back to the family crypt?

3) a) The giant didn't go bowling b) then jumped over the entire force to join Snow

 

[Draconian Guppy]

16 hours ago, CrossCheck said:

This is the most real answer i can offer. Its a freaking TV show about a fantasy series of novels. what did you expect realism?

Well,  there were around what 8k. so bodies piling up after rainshower of hours is a possibility. Adding to the fact, the no-strategy approach to just "run to them", would add body on body, I think the perfect example of that was when Jon was sufocating.  What do 8k bodies look like? Dispersed? Not likely! Though the mountains may have been exagerated.

 

11 hours ago, The Evil Overlord said:

and another thread ruined

seems to be the fashion /facepalm

Why My all ruling and all knowing Evol overload? I mean lord?

[Syanide]

1 hour ago, Dashel said:

It was the trenches, yo!  There was lots of 'artistic license' going on with this episode.  I think the nice 'holes' in the corpse wall for the shields bugs me more than its height/clumps.

 

1) Sansa left before Ramsay mentioned he was starving his dogs

2) How exactly (and what parts) did Ned's body make it back to the family crypt?

3) a) The giant didn't go bowling b) then jumped over the entire force to join Snow

 

1) This can be attributed to an offscreen info dump between her scene with Jon and the final scene. It's day when they get to Ramsay, it's night when he becomes dog food.

2) In season 2 Littlefinger arranges that the body gets transported to Winterfell as a sign of respect and as a way to sleaze up to Catelyn.

3) Haha. I believe they just opened the line for him. You don't have to see everything.

[Draconian Guppy]

relevant:

 

  Though, these are "Free folk" that "don't fight like the normal folk(with shields and armor and that jazz). Funneh nonetehless.

 

[Luc2k]

5 hours ago, Syanide said:

But the high corpse wall wasn't inconsistent with anything. Dany getting a sunburn next episode would be void of internal logic, making a high corpse wall that might not have been super realistic to create an engaging battle scene is called artistic license. The characters, their motivations and their actions were spot on in the episode, that's what counts. The show doesn't tout itself as being historically or warfare accurate, anyway, so I'd say the battle succeeded at what it set out to achieve perfectly: showing just how brutal and horrifying combat is.

It was inconsistent with my view of the world presented in both the books and the show. I see a world that has a Medieval base with some fantasy on top (remember, magic was dying before dragons hatched again). Artistic license is well and good but don't expect me to dismiss stupid writing because of it. You may be satisfied with what you consider the essence of that battle/characters, but I'm not when there are big illogical distractions littered all over the place.

 

It's pretty clear you (as far as GoT is concerned at least) and I have different expectations from our entertainment. I'm very critical of almost all the films and series I watch and bad writing is what I hate most. Usually I would say my piece and just stop watching, and I would have done it around S4 were it not for my love of the universe and portrayals of dragons. For what it's worth, I'm nowhere near as critical when it comes to video game stories/writing.

[Syanide]

12 minutes ago, Luc2k said:

It's pretty clear you (as far as GoT is concerned at least) and I have different expectations from our entertainment. I'm very critical of almost all the films and series I watch and bad writing is what I hate most.

You clearly haven't seen me go off on Prometheus

[+Warwagon MVC]

I'm not saying that episode was ######## epic.... but ...

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23 hours ago, Syanide said:

You clearly haven't seen me go off on Prometheus

I loved Prometheus.

[Syanide]

25 minutes ago, patseguin said:

I loved Prometheus.

See, I was super annoyed by that one. That movie was touted as the one that would "explain" the origins of Alien and humanity (not that anyone asked for it), but basically did neither, and it posed more questions than it answered. But I warmed up to it last year for instance, because I came in with a different set of expectations. I'm now slightly curious about Alien Covenant. But we're going off topic.

 

Here's a sweet fan edit, basically a GOT hype trailer, if there ever was one:

 

 

[kjordan2001]

On 6/20/2016 at 2:19 PM, Luc2k said:

I dare anyone to offer a good explanation for this dumb ######. Why would anyone even fight on unstable footing (the corpses) when there's perfectly frozen ground all around.

 

 

[Luc2k]

14 minutes ago, kjordan2001 said:

 

So the best Dumb & Dumber have is that bodies piled up on battlefields and became obstructions during historical battles. If there's any historical open field battle where corpses gathered into nice several meters high mounds, I'll stop posting in this thread. Take note that in the show those nice piles were gathered before anyone even got encircled, and I doubt even Cannae was similar after the Romans were killed.

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4 minutes ago, Luc2k said:

So the best Dumb & Dumber have is that bodies piled up on battlefields and became obstructions during historical battles. If there's any historical open field battle where corpses gathered into nice several meters high mounds, I'll stop posting in this thread. Take note that in the show those nice piles were gathered before anyone even got encircled, and I doubt even Cannae was similar after the Romans were killed.

picky picky picky.

[Luc2k]

Just now, warwagon said:

picky picky picky.

Not in this particular case, because that was the type of explanation I was looking for in the first place, not "How it was made."

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Can we move on?

 

Maybe talk about how...

 

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How Lady Stoneheart will be here on Sunday :D? 

 

[Luc2k]

9 hours ago, John. said:

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How Lady Stoneheart will be here on Sunday :D? 

 

Is this confirmed? Hope not because that will suck.

[kjordan2001]

5 hours ago, Luc2k said:

Is this confirmed? Hope not because that will suck.

Yeah, I don't know what it'll add to the series at this point.  If they added her several seasons back maybe, but it's a storyline that hasn't added much to the books yet.

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I thought they had said that they aren't including Lady Stoneheart... which led to my thought that they are merging her with Sansa in her outlook. Probably just me though.

 

And BTW, Re: travel time from the previous page... time passes, they just don't show it. There are a lot of mini-stories the TV show skips for the sake of runtime.

[Draconian Guppy]

2 minutes ago, Zagadka said:

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I thought they had said that they aren't including Lady Stoneheart... which led to my thought that they are merging her with Sansa in her outlook. Probably just me though.

 

 

And BTW, Re: travel time from the previous page... time passes, they just don't show it. There are a lot of mini-stories the TV show skips for the sake of runtime.

+1 I think it's pretty obvious with how the characters age, specially Bran!

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Another note on time passing... since they hope around various parts of the world in each episode, they happen concurrently.

[Luc2k]

1 hour ago, kjordan2001 said:

Yeah, I don't know what it'll add to the series at this point.  If they added her several seasons back maybe, but it's a storyline that hasn't added much to the books yet.

Damn it! Odds are I'll be extra salty on Monday.

[+rdlenk Subscriber²]

Well, epic season finale. Things happened that many of us have waited a very long time to see and some things happened that no one saw coming. Mad props to the show runners, i had my doubts about the writing now that they are "off book" but I think they did really well overall. I want to especially point out the score for the finale, some of the best music I have ever heard with how it completely fit the moment and brought the suspense to a whole new level. I see many Emmy and other awards in the near future for GoT and can't wait for season 7.

 

Best use I could think of for my 100th post; only took 11 years. I would say it was quality over quantity, but then I would be lying. 

[Jim K Global Moderator]

Yep, fantastically epic season finale.  Musical score, as noted by rdlenk, was top notch.  Easily one of my favorite GoT episodes.

 

Major spoilers....

 

Spoiler

During the first 20 or so minutes ... I was thinking it might be the series finale...haha.  Gone are....

High Sparrow (and a bunch of little Sparrows + pretty much every important "leadership" person in King's Landing)

Margaery Tyrell

Loras Tyrell

Mace Tyrell

Lancel Lannister

Kevan Lannister

Grand Maester Pycelle

and Tommen (by suicide)... all within the first 20 minutes.  Cersei is on a killing spree.  Hope she gets cooked courtesy of Drogon.

 

Later, the girl with no name but whose name is Arya takes out Walder and two of his sons...fittingly.

 

Now, my hardest pick will be choosing between Jon Snow/The Starks and Daenerys...and how will Arya, Bran and some of the other outliers factor in.  Kinda hoping that Snow and Daenerys form some alliance (similar to Daenerys and Yara)...in other words they don't fight one another but instead join together to take out Cersei/King's Landing.  Wonder how it is going to play out that Jon isn't Ned Stark's son...but instead Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen's (older brother of Daenerys) son.  Need a flow chart now ... haha.

 

Anyway, Season 7 can not come soon enough.  It finally feels like the "final act" is here.  

hmmm...what about all that dragon fire that Tywin mentioned to Daenerys ... all used up now (assuming)

 

Two other tidbits ...

Sansa to Jon ... "Winter is here" ... so everyone can put away those little memes "Winter is coming".

One of my favorite lines that Tyrion said to Daenerys... “You’re in the great game now, and the great game is terrifying.”

 

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They did a good job of addressing the issue, "if Ned Stark was so noble, why does he have a bastard"... which is told after the first twist of Ned Stark not actually winning the duel. 

 

The interesting thing about the intersection between Stark and Targaryen is that one (unmarried) Stark "King of the North" is in the north, one (unmarried and having bluntly stated she intends to marry for power) Targaryen "Queen of the Dragons" is coming into the south, and there is a squishy Lannister filling at a point where Winter Has Come.

 

It would be more epic of Daeny were more like Lady Mormont. 

 

Finally... kinda suspected that Cersei would do as she did. And normally, she is made to be dislikable, but she definitely gets a pass here. Too bad she didn't consider Tommen... poor Tommen, never did anything. He went out with as small a bang as he came in with.

 

Finally, OMG THE LIBRARY I NEED TO LIVE THERE DO THEY HAVE WI-FI