official Call of Duty: Black Ops

[McCordRm]

What the hell is with turning threads into PC vs. Console?

Besides, regardless of what you spent on your PC, the second you've

built it the sheer number of games available to you is

overwhelming. I can play modern games, or games from over a decade

ago; I can play MMOs and first-person shooters online, or a plethora of

single-player games from ANY genre I choose. I can use a mouse and

keyboard, or hookup a controller and go to town. I can surf the internet,

view photos, appreciate some online pron art, use my computer for work

stuff like photo editing, web page development, Word documents, etc.

And I can do it all while watching How I Met Your Mother starring the

awesome Neil Patrick Harris on my unnecessary-for-gaming television.

No console can compete with that.

[rajputwarrior]

^ yeah blame the consoles for crappy ports, not the developers tragedy...

[LiquidSolstice]

What the hell is with turning threads into PC vs. Console?

Besides, regardless of what you spent on your PC, the second you've

built it the sheer number of games available to you is

overwhelming. I can play modern games, or games from over a decade

ago; I can play MMOs and first-person shooters online, or a plethora of

single-player games from ANY genre I choose. I can use a mouse and

keyboard, or hookup a controller and go to town. I can surf the internet,

view photos, appreciate some online pron art, use my computer for work

stuff like photo editing, web page development, Word documents, etc.

And I can do it all while watching How I Met Your Mother starring the

awesome Neil Patrick Harris on my unnecessary-for-gaming television.

No console can compete with that.

I can choose to play any game too? Unless you're referring to pirated games, then good for you. If I wanted a computer, I'd pay for a computer. I have dual monitors, one is for the console, one is for the PC. It's not that hard. You've just basically explained what a computer can do. That's absolutely wonderful for you. My computer can do all that too, minus the games, because I don't need to do all that while gaming, therefore, a dedicated console makes far more sense to me. When I need to do work, I do work. I don't need the system that I depend on to be a gaming machine, I certainly don't?want?it to be for gaming.?

That's like saying "you have a motorcyle? oh? does it have a cupholder? climate control? GPS navigation? power windows and locks? no? THEN IT CAN"T COMPETE OMG". Except, see, I have that motorcycle because all I want and need to do with it is get around.

[trag3dy]

You mean dedicated servers because since Valve decided to allow it, you're entitled to it now and every other game company in the world must obey that mandate? Or is it just because you're desperate to somehow put down consoles with any tactic possible?

No, I mean the fact that the game is limited by what the consoles can handle in every way. From textures to map sizes, player numbers, and so on.

Anyways.. to be honest I'm not even sure what we're arguing at this point.. :laugh:

And this thread has gone far off topic.

[Sethos]

Gun Game was stolen from counter strike and treyarch is taking ALL THE CREDIT, **** them. Any PC gamer knows gun game started with counter strike. The fact that you cant give another game / community credit for a "feature/mode/whatevre" that will make people(console gamers) love your game more, is sad. You can go suck a dick Treyarch, and a big FU to activision too.

Just for your information, Treyarch doesn't take credit for it - They already said, a few times I believe, it's being implemented on community request and that it is in fact a community creation.

This is why we can't have nice things :p

[McCordRm]

I can choose to play any game too? Unless you're referring to pirated games, then good for you. If I wanted a computer, I'd pay for a computer. I have dual monitors, one is for the console, one is for the PC. It's not that hard. You've just basically explained what a computer can do. That's absolutely wonderful for you. My computer can do all that too, minus the games, because I don't need to do all that while gaming, therefore, a dedicated console makes far more sense to me. When I need to do work, I do work. I don't need the system that I depend on to be a gaming machine, I certainly don't want it to be for gaming.

That's like saying "you have a motorcyle? oh? does it have a cupholder? climate control? GPS navigation? power windows and locks? no? THEN IT CAN"T COMPETE OMG". Except, see, I have that motorcycle because all I want and need to do with it is get around.

Great. Now tally up your console + computer + extra monitor and stop talking about

how much "cheaper" a console is to be able to do what I can... while I do it better.

Your console doesn't have NEAR the gaming capability my computer does. And for

every "console exclusive" game you have access to, I have many times that for

the PC that you do not. So yea... the console isn't even in the same league.

Your motorcycle analogy is flawed for this very reason. It doesn't do what a car

can... which means when weather is permitting, then sure... you can drive. But

when the weather changes, you still need a car. I, however, do not ever need

a motorcycle just as I never need a console.

And where the hell did piracy come in? You lose the argument so start accusing

me of a crime all of the sudden? Yea, well played.

[Spookie]

In an attempt to get this topic back about the game... ;)

Activision confirms Black Ops voice talent – Gary Oldman returning from WaW

Activision’s announced some of the voice talent for Call of Duty: Black Ops, whilst also confirming a return for Gary Oldman. Oldman previously appeared in World at War as Russian WWII soldier Viktor Reznov, and will return for the Cold War-era shooter. Also confirmed for Black Ops is Apollo 13 actor Ed Harris, who will voice one of the main characters in the game, CIA agent Jason Hudson.

"Oldman, Harris and Goyer are considered some of Hollywood’s finest talents and they perfectly complement Call of Duty: Black Ops’ ambitious and immersive single player experience" said Treyarch boss Mark Lamia.

Activision’s also announced it has brought on Dark Knight writer David Goyer to "provide script consultation and story development support."

(tidied up the article a bit)

Link

[McCordRm]

I wonder what these actors earn for this kind of gig. Gary Oldman

is top-notch.

[Spookie]

I wonder what these actors earn for this kind of gig. Gary Oldman

is top-notch.

I'd imagine it's a small fortune. Hell didn't Activision blow $50~ mil on a E3 party? :|

[LiquidSolstice]

Great. Now tally up your console + computer + extra monitor and stop talking about

how much "cheaper" a console is to be able to do what I can... while I do it better.

Your console doesn't have NEAR the gaming capability my computer does. And for

every "console exclusive" game you have access to, I have many times that for

the PC that you do not. So yea... the console isn't even in the same league.

That's not relevent. The point is that the cost of my gaming experience does not include a whole computer. I only talked about the second monitor because I've had it for a long time and therefore I didn't need to buy something new. I had already gotten myself a decent sound system from very long ago, so my $300 system is still cheaper. I don't care if your PC can browse the web, I don't need my 360 to browse the web because my computer (which is pretty old) can already do that. ?I didn't ahve to pay throught he nose to upgrade my computer, I just got a standalone console and boom I was done.

Your motorcycle analogy is flawed for this very reason. It doesn't do what a car

can... which means when weather is permitting, then sure... you can drive. But

when the weather changes, you still need a car. I, however, do not ever need

a motorcycle just as I never need a console.

...I?needed a gaming experience, I wasn't interested in paying a lot for it. Just like you couldn't drive a motorcycle in heavy weather conditions, you can't use a web browser on my 360, but the point is, you don't buy a motorcycle if you intend to drive in harsh weather, just as you don't buy an Xbox to browse the web and create Word documents. So no, my gaming experience still cost way less.

And where the hell did piracy come in? You lose the argument so start accusing

me of a crime all of the sudden? Yea, well played.

Way to be insecure. You said "I can play any game i want, shooter, mmo, etc" as if I can't, so I'm saying 'yeah, I can go pick out a shooter or an MMO too? I brought up piracy only because I assume you meant that you could get any game you wanted for free. If that's not what you meant, my bad, no need to get all puffed up and indignant.

[LingeringSoul]

I'd imagine it's a small fortune. Hell didn't Activision blow $50~ mil on a E3 party? :|

Indeed. Complete with performances from many big name musicians who certainly don't come cheap: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/06/activision-teaches-microsoft-how-to-overspend-at-e3.ars

Nice to hear that they're bringing in quality voice actors. I never played the single-player in World at War, but in the multiplayer I loved hearing Kiefer Sutherland yell out "Bring in the dogs!!!".

I'm seriously thinking about getting this game now. I was dead set on ignoring it in favour of the other big name releases coming out this year (Halo Reach and GT5 being the most obvious ones), but I don't know. I'm yearning for some military arcade action, and it seems as though Treyarch is genuinely giving it their all with this one.

[LiquidSolstice]

Indeed. Complete with performances from many big name musicians who certainly don't come cheap: http://arstechnica.c...spend-at-e3.ars

Nice to hear that they're bringing in quality voice actors. I never played the single-player in World at War, but in the multiplayer, I loved hearing Kiefer Sutherland yell out "Bring in the dogs!!!".

I'm seriously thinking about getting this game now. I was dead set on ignoring it in favour of the other big name releases coming out this year (Halo Reach and GT5 being the most obvious ones), but I don't know. I'm yearning for some military arcade action, and it seems as though Treyarch is genuinely giving it their all with this one.

Pretty excited too :). I generally judge a game based on its quality once I play it rather than go off of speculation from people who think they know what it is. I'm more excited to see what the single player is going to be like, Multiplayer I'm sure will be excellent, and I'm not worried about it.

[rajputwarrior]

Just for your information, Treyarch doesn't take credit for it - They already said, a few times I believe, it's being implemented on community request and that it is in fact a community creation.

This is why we can't have nice things :p

shhhhh sethos! proving him wrong on points were his arguments have absolutely no basis whatsoever or any sort of backup, makes him angry.... i mean he just learned that more then one country uses the "$" sign. gotta be patient with him. actually never mind, keep doing it. If he doesn't believe you yet he can watch the video and skip to 1:41 and hear them give direct credit to the community.

and good that this game has good voice talent, it always had lately for the most part. last one had jason statham didn't it?

[x-scratch]

New Trailer:

damn i guess il be owned but looks like it will be fun

[Sikh]

Just for your information, Treyarch doesn't take credit for it - They already said, a few times I believe, it's being implemented on community request and that it is in fact a community creation.

This is why we can't have nice things :p

No we can have nice things. My point is, the Console community, as the PC community behind WAW/MW2/This Game arent really long time pc gamers/core gamers made me believe when they said community, it meant the console community.

Not "we give credit to the community" Oh yeah we mean you guys over there, the CS Community from PC that actually wanted CoD to not suck dick. Just like MW2, the PC Community was in an UPROAR trying to sign the petition and show the company how stupid they are for removing all the PC stuff like console/dedicated servers/recorder/etc.

But oh well, I guess im just being to specific and anal. I cant help it when ive been with CoD since 1 and own every game in mint condition. Gurrr. Im honestly disappointed the series died for PC. This game MIGHT bring it back, but thats a BIG MAYBE. If I gave BC2's half ass dedicated servers a chance(which work pretty good, but I still would like true dedicated support) then I can give this game a chance, thats if they do deliver MOD tools and not wait forever to release them.

Funny thing is, im getting a free copy from my boss. He went to his conference last week and got his copy of reach, and a few other games. He gets GT a week before it releases. Black Ops before it releases. LBP i think he gets when it comes into the store. All I know is, ill have the game, so Ill give it a chance IF they stick to there word and not at last minute "btw no mod tools and servers are gonna be locked down as ****, no configs. Just straight servers and control for kick/banning". Then Ill gladly give my copy away on neowin. For the PC btw, before i confuse someone.

So Rajput, sorry dude, ill move on. Just got tired of you constantly bring up "and the haters/flock will sworm in". Im not coming back to this game if even 1 inch of the game is off. I love and to this day play COD:MW. But MW2 never touched my PC. Actually got a free copy because I built a PC for someone and snapped it and threw it away. Hell the game was 2 dvd's. Really...

<<snipped>>

[McCordRm]

lol. Get over it?

Dude, the point still stands. The "advantage" of the PC is that it can

do what any console can and more. If you want to get petty, the

PC can even emulate console games. So technically, I have the best

of both worlds with a PC. :)

[~WinGz~]

Ladies, Ladies its a game.

No need for arguing.

Personally I feel I had my fill of Call of Duty after the last mashup of garbage.

I sold my copy first week I had it after the Javelin Glitch and Dual 18s.

This might look promising but, since what ive seen from other members just another MW2 Clone.

Killstreaks should only be in 3 slightly strong but not game winning things.

UAV, Air Strike, Helicopter. Bring just the 3 back and I'll buy it.

Till then this is just glorified "MW2" Getting rid of a few of my problems from last iteration.

I'll also edit my post just to say Love you too Sethos!.

[Duality]

I'll say it again, it's fecking impossible to discuss games with PC gamers anymore, they all take such a condescending point of view when it comes to console gamers, and when, god forbid, someone posts a legitimate point where the console holds the advantage, that suddenly makes THEM the bad guy/insecure/nerd rage.

Way to generalise (Y)

Black Ops could turn out to be a really good game - but I am not comfortable at all with the whole "single trusted GSP" thing for the PC version or the use of VAC. Then again I am horribly biased on the anti-cheat thing.

Like WinGz, I have had my fill with the current generation of COD games.

[Vveazel]

Get ready for all the 12 year olds boosting for money.

[richardsim7]

Get ready for all the 12 year olds boosting (cars) for money.

Sounds like Stoke-on-Trent :p

[Spookie]

but I am not comfortable at all with the whole "single trusted GSP" thing for the PC version

But EA's system is fine?

[Duality]

But EA's system is fine?

I never said that :)

EA had more than one trusted game server provider. That at least fostered competition etc. With a single game server provider (especially one that is not as widely known in the UK - gameservers.com) problems may arise with server load (GSPs are notorious for overselling their dedi server space) and customer service - things that are instantly alleviated with the possibility of choice between several providers. As it stands, a lot of GSPs are being left out in the cold with this move - something they are planning to fight through complaints to various government bodies etc. I won't pretend to know the legalities - but in a business as competitive as game server providers, this looks like a monopoly - a view shared by a number of other game server providers.

As for the whole "trusted" provider thing - I think that is a load of rubbish anyway. I have seen first hand how little that does to alleviate problems like cheating. I have worked for PBBans.com - the largest anti-cheat/punkbuster support site currently in operation, for a long time now, and witholding server files from the general public did nothing to stem the tide of cheaters in Bad Company 2 - the first game since BF2 to seriously champion the use of "trusted" providers to alleviate things like hacks and cheats. Within very little time, our cheat collection staff already had sources for downloading all of the server files necessary to host your own server at home - effectively making a mockery of the whole "trusted" system. Personally I see it as a DLC/mod control mechanism more than anything else - there will always be cheats, hacks and exploits in any game... and it should be fixed by good coding, Q&A and patching - not by taking things away that always used to be a standard in online gaming. On the PC platform anyway.

[Spookie]

I never said that :)

True, apologies.

EA had more than one trusted game server provider. That at least fostered competition etc. With a single game server provider (especially one that is not as widely known in the UK - gameservers.com) problems may arise with server load (GSPs are notorious for overselling their dedi server space) and customer service - things that are instantly alleviated with the possibility of choice between several providers. As it stands, a lot of GSPs are being left out in the cold with this move - something they are planning to fight through complaints to various government bodies etc. I won't pretend to know the legalities - but in a business as competitive as game server providers, this looks like a monopoly - a view shared by a number of other game server providers.

I agree it's not ideal. But the price points are a great deal better than what Multiplay and co usually offer. That might be due to the fact they plan to overload the boxes or due to the engine now being older than Jesus Christ. But I'll happily cancel mine if the former is the case. I'd like the choice but I doubt anything will be rectified before release.

Personally I see it as a DLC/mod control mechanism more than anything else - there will always be cheats, hacks and exploits in any game... and it should be fixed by good coding, Q&A and patching - not by taking things away that always used to be a standard in online gaming. On the PC platform anyway.

Quite, anyone who spouts security is full of ****. They've been trying to monetise PC gaming for ages. At the moment this is the best way for them to do it.

[Duality]

True, apologies.

Thankyou :)

I agree it's not ideal. But the price points are a great deal better than what Multiplay and co usually offer. That might be due to the fact they plan to overload the boxes or due to the engine now being older than Jesus Christ. But I'll happily cancel mine if the former is the case. I'd like the choice but I doubt anything will be rectified before release.

To be really honest - it does not affect me. I play in a small clan mainly for the company and the friends I make out of it - and I have not bothered with administrating a server for a long time. The only reason I am pretty butthurt about it is because I'm involved in a community that is very affected by it. If I wasn't involved with that community then I guess I wouldn't be bothered as much as I am. I just hope that Gameservers steps up to the plate and gets the job done.

Quite, anyone who spouts security is full of ****. They've been trying to monetise PC gaming for ages. At the moment this is the best way for them to do it.

I am glad to see there are others who do not subscribe to that rhetoric from the devs :)

The real reason I am being very cynical about this game is simple. I purchased MW2. Regardless of all the rage surrounding it etc, I pre-ordered it for the PC - and played it on release day. It was fun for some time, but as it went on I felt increasingly let down by Infinity Ward, Activision and the franchise itself. The fact that I felt burnt by MW2 has made me very cautious about this game. If it turns out to be awesome, and VAC works well enough - then I have no issue with eating my words and playing the game for myself. I am just waiting for the game to come out before I commit money to it.

What the developers need to realise is that the reason that the PC community is so outspoken about the issues with their games is because we care about them. We want to play them and get the most out of them we can. We want to give them our money. I think that if the community was silent - that would be a reason to be worried :p

[ramsy66]

Sounds like Stoke-on-Trent :p

hah! :woot: