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Let me guess why Windows Shadow Copy isn’t used by everybody...

It’s hidden somewhere? It requires advanced Windows knowledge? Its GUI is awful? etc.?

Microsoft always implements awesome features for the enterprise. I’m not against them, more like on the contrary, but they’re mostly badly implemented.

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Let me guess why Windows Shadow Copy isn’t used by everybody...

It’s hidden somewhere? It requires advanced Windows knowledge? Its GUI is awful? etc.?

It's pretty hidden. You have to go to the Properties panel of the document (from Explorer) and go to the Previous Versions tab in that panel. There's no indication in the app window that Shadow Copy exists.

Interesting tidbit: there's now a separate process in Safari that handles web content (maybe the start of WebKit 2 implementation). Quitting it makes all your tabs reload right now.

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Let me guess why Windows Shadow Copy isn’t used by everybody...

It’s hidden somewhere? It requires advanced Windows knowledge? Its GUI is awful? etc.?

Microsoft always implements awesome features for the enterprise. I’m not against them, more like on the contrary, but they’re mostly badly implemented.

You right click on a file and select, "Restore Previous Version." A little window appears with a list of all the versions, their dates, and you're given the option of opening them up, copying them, or restoring. That's it really. It doesn't do a nice swoopy timeline effect or anything so I guess it's not "intuitive", but it's no less straight forward. I think the reason why it isn't well known and used is because it's not given a nice big icon on the taskbar and advertised anywhere. But straight forward as it is, I think restricting it to a tiny little properties panel is a horrible mistake.

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It's pretty hidden. You have to go to the Properties panel of the document (from Explorer) and go to the Previous Versions tab in that panel. There's no indication in the app window that Shadow Copy exists.

That's what I meant before. Windows has some really powerful features but most of the time they're just horribly executed with a less than user-friendly interface, which is a real shame. Apple has always been ahead in the interface design game making everything much more accessible.

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You right click on a file and select, "Restore Previous Version." A little window appears with a list of all the versions, their dates, and you're given the option of opening them up, copying them, or restoring. That's it really. It doesn't do a nice swoopy timeline effect or anything so I guess it's not "intuitive", but it's no less straight forward. I think the reason why it isn't well known and used is because it's not given a nice big icon on the taskbar and advertised anywhere.

The implementation of Versions is pretty understated as well (inconspicuous triangle in the upper right of the document's window), but the whole timeline effect is really nice if you're trying to find a specific version of the file.

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iuerg87yerg879e0rg9erugjer

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After using it for a little while, I can say the lack of open indicators in the dock is definitely not a good change. I understand why... but I miss my little blue glow :(

same here... D;

anyone have a clue to to change the scroll direction, 2 fingers down scrolls up and vice-versa?

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The implementation of Versions is pretty understated as well (inconspicuous triangle in the upper right of the document's window), but the whole timeline effect is really nice if you're trying to find a specific version of the file.

I think that being able to see a nice big image of the window/folder/file helps a lot more than the timeline animation thing. Far superior to the GUI for shadow copies in Windows, where a visual comparison requires the user to click "open" on each one, then closing it if it's the wrong one, and repeating over and over and over... :wacko: .

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same here... D;

anyone have a clue to to change the scroll direction, 2 fingers down scrolls up and vice-versa?

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/947186-mac-os-x-lion-discussion/page__view__findpost__p__593731420 ;)

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I can't believe what I just did.

I just joined the Apple Developer Connection ($99/year) just to run a developer preview of Lion. But hey, also means I can get the final build of Lion the second it's released, so at least I won't have to make another purchase, right?

Anyway, I plan to install it (as soon as I get a confirmation e-mail, apparently it can take up to a day) to an external hard drive. Is this fairly stable for day-to-day use? I ran some of the Leopard builds and most of them never crashed, but obviously had lots of missing features.

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I can't believe what I just did.

I just joined the Apple Developer Connection ($99/year) just to run a developer preview of Lion. But hey, also means I can get the final build of Lion the second it's released, so at least I won't have to make another purchase, right?

Anyway, I plan to install it (as soon as I get a confirmation e-mail, apparently it can take up to a day) to an external hard drive. Is this fairly stable for day-to-day use? I ran some of the Leopard builds and most of them never crashed, but obviously had lots of missing features.

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The problem that I had with previous versions (shadow copy) was that it only made backups of a file after a restore point. If I made several changes to a file within a period where there's no restore point, those changes were lost. Credit is due to Microsoft for having the first implementation of this feature, but it was just too severely limited for me to get efficient use out of it.

Lion's Versions is actually saving the changes to a document every time you open it and also every hour you're working on it (like Time Machine). We've talked about the timeline UI, but I think one of the more valuable aspects of it is that you can quickly copy and paste information from previous versions to your current version right in the UI.

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The most exciting thing is going to be app autosave & resume, just like multitasking is on the iphone & ipad right now. That way apps that have work on them you can close them quickly and they wont waste battery in the background, when it's time to open them everything is as it was.

I can't believe what I just did.

I just joined the Apple Developer Connection ($99/year) just to run a developer preview of Lion. But hey, also means I can get the final build of Lion the second it's released, so at least I won't have to make another purchase, right?

Anyway, I plan to install it (as soon as I get a confirmation e-mail, apparently it can take up to a day) to an external hard drive. Is this fairly stable for day-to-day use? I ran some of the Leopard builds and most of them never crashed, but obviously had lots of missing features.

Reminds me of why I like to be subscribed to technet.

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