Windows 8, enough after about 2 hours

[migo]

The OS doesn't distinguish between a desktop and a laptop.

[G1bster]

The OS doesn't distinguish between a desktop and a laptop.

Should do in this day and age:)

[King Lizzle]

What's wrong with them including it just in case? Some desktop PCs can be carried around quite nicely (the monitor is included with the CPU in some cases), and some planes have plugs. Further, some very rich people with private planes may well have desktop computers ever-present on-board the plane.

Oh come on, that's a real stretch! Never in the history of mankind has anyone walked onto a plane, private or otherwise, with a desktop!!!! :D That option is for laptops and tablets (and a useful one at that if the device doesn't have it's own airplane button), it's just a redundant option on the desktop. It's not in the way and it isn't detrimental so it's not a problem at all for it to linger there, but please don't try to defend it as a useful feature on desktop!!!! :woot:

[kazgor]

windows 8 is a nightmare... i won't get this anywhere near my sister or family i would never hear the end of it.

I really hate that the START BUTTON has gone when on desktop and instead it takes you back to Metro.

I really hate that desktop apps appear has small icon inside a massive tile.

I really hate the single colour white metro icons.. (although i have ever since Metro was created)

How do you change the background on Metro Start?

I dont like that there no CLOSE button on Metro Apps... it does take a little time to learn to CLICK and Drag to bottom of screen.

If weather app (and other metro) move the mouse to the right side of the screen does not scroll the screen, you have to

goto the slide bar at the bottom and click & drag.

Thats fine.. but in Metro Start going to the right DOES scroll...

for me i want 1 or the other.. this switching between two views is adding un-needed extra steps.

I do like the new explorer (with Ribbon), Task Manager, the Copy/Move window..

I will be curious to see how Desktop Notifications, eg Windows Update is carried across to Metro Start,

or even how antivirus/firewalls notifications... i guess we be flipping between the two.

ah well for me Windows 7 still rules... and if we could have all the improvements done to DESKTOP Windows 8 i would be happy,

without METRO.

[Anthonyd]

Rubbish I will give Windows 8 a wide birth thanks. 1st os from MS I will not purchase. Unless there is something really compelling like a 20% speed boost or something amazing but even then I think it would be a tough call. No love for metro on the desktop whatsoever.

I'm not creative enough to come up with a real comment.

Now if you could post something constructive and repport it to MS so they can fix it, it would be much much better ;)

[HoochieMamma]

What's wrong with them including it just in case? Some desktop PCs can be carried around quite nicely (the monitor is included with the CPU in some cases), and some planes have plugs. Further, some very rich people with private planes may well have desktop computers ever-present on-board the plane.

Do you read over what you post?

[johnporter29]

+1

I think they could have waited for a version before removing the aero start all together and refined the other metro areas more... now its just a nonuniform UI... and some of the obvious things are really hard to find now.

Would you care to name the items you find hard to find? Basically they have replaced the start menu with a start screen, split search into different types and added a new kind of application that are there to use if YOU wish too, you can, and will continue to be able to, do everything you can do in Windows 7. Every release sees things moved around and/or changed.

[encarta]

What's wrong with them including it just in case? Some desktop PCs can be carried around quite nicely (the monitor is included with the CPU in some cases), and some planes have plugs. Further, some very rich people with private planes may well have desktop computers ever-present on-board the plane.

Say what? :| :wacko: :rofl:

[9UnknownMen]

Do you read over what you post?

Let him be, he gets funnier with each page. Airplane Mode for the uber rich who have PC"s on their planes. Priceless.

[Dusco25]

To hear media/tech sites tell it, Windows 8 CP is the best damn thing since sliced bread. Which tells me they know **** or just flat out lie to people.

[psreloaded]

Would you care to name the items you find hard to find? Basically they have replaced the start menu with a start screen, split search into different types and added a new kind of application that are there to use if YOU wish too, you can, and will continue to be able to, do everything you can do in Windows 7. Every release sees things moved around and/or changed.

two which quickly come to my mind, the power button and the control panel... previously it was a two click affair. now it is not. Another would be My computer and My Document and similar shortcuts from the start menus... now I am having to put them on my desktop... which I liked to keep clean and empty.

[johnporter29]

two which quickly come to my mind, the power button and the control panel... previously it was a two click affair. now it is not. Another would be My computer and My Document and similar shortcuts from the start menus... now I am having to put them on my desktop... which I liked to keep clean and empty.

They are not that hard to find, power button is a gesture and 2 clicks! And control panel isn't that hard to get to either.

[Calum Veteran]

Oh come on, that's a real stretch! Never in the history of mankind has anyone walked onto a plane, private or otherwise, with a desktop!!!! :D That option is for laptops and tablets (and a useful one at that if the device doesn't have it's own airplane button), it's just a redundant option on the desktop. It's not in the way and it isn't detrimental so it's not a problem at all for it to linger there, but please don't try to defend it as a useful feature on desktop!!!! :woot:

I suggested them as possibilities, and you cannot reasonably deny that they are possibilities.

Say what? :| :wacko: :rofl:

It's clearly a possibility. I mentioned just two of the possibilities, to point out that Microsoft should keep the feature in for desktop users "just in case." My suggestions are unlikely to occur, but they are possibilities.

Do you read over what you post?

Of course I do. Unlike some people, though, I'm not ignorant. I don't believe Windows 8 should cater solely to me; I believe Microsoft should cater for every single one of their customers, and cater for such possibilities.

I personally wouldn't keep an ever-present desktop on a private plane if I was rich, but some incredibly rich people probably would, especially if they like to play powerful games while they're flying. You know that there are some desktop PCs that are more powerful than any other type of PC for gaming, so it isn't unreasonable to consider that some very rich people would like to play powerful games while on long flights. As they're rich, it's possible they'll merely keep an ever-present desktop PC on-board for that. Why waste time and energy moving a desktop PC (and all of the connected hardware) from your mansion to your plane (or paying someone to waste that time for you), every single time you're scheduled for a long flight, when you can just have a PC that's always there?

[psreloaded]

They are not that hard to find, power button is a gesture and 2 clicks! And control panel isn't that hard to get to either.

Its not very hard but not as easy as in Win 7.

[techguy77]

Its not very hard but not as easy as in Win 7.

The easiest way is to create shortcut for Control Panel on your desktop among others in order to avoid Metro. It is lot of initial setup.

[encarta]

So you believe Microsoft shouldn't cater for incredibly rich people with private planes, who keep ever-present desktop PCs on-board? I believe Microsoft should cater for all of their customers.

It's clearly a possibility. I mentioned just two of the possibilities, to point out that Microsoft should keep the feature in for desktop users "just in case." My suggestions are unlikely to occur, but they are possibilities.

Of course I do. Unlike some people, though, I'm not ignorant. I don't believe Windows 8 should cater solely to me; I believe Microsoft should cater for every single one of their customers, and cater for such possibilities.

I personally wouldn't keep an ever-present desktop on a private plane if I was rich, but some incredibly rich people probably would, especially if they like to play powerful games while they're flying. You know that there are some desktop PCs that are more powerful than any other type of PC for gaming, so it isn't unreasonable to consider that some very rich people would like to play powerful games while on long flights. As they're rich, it's possible they'll merely keep an ever-present desktop PC on-board for that. Why waste time and energy moving a desktop PC (and all of the connected hardware) from your mansion to your plane (or paying someone to waste that time for you), every single time you're scheduled for a long flight, when you can just have a PC that's always there?

They are the 1%, we're the 99%. And since they already have like a million different editions, and if they care so much about rich people, they should make a special version for them, called "Windows 8 I'm Rich, Bi*ch Super Edition For Those Retards, Who Have Desktops On Their Private Planes". I bet they would sell less than 3 copies.

[PGHammer]

This is my point. I no longer desire the Desktop mode, and I would like everything to be a Metro app. Being a software developer and designer, I'm annoyed that Visual Studio (and probably Photoshop) will be Desktop apps for the near future, as I would love them to be Metro apps; the same is the case for Microsoft Office. I understand why they all currently can't be, but that is what I'd like.

I'd love to never have to visit the Desktop in Windows 8.

And you can use Windows 8 and never run a single Metro app - ever.

Because some Metro apps don't suit how I run certain tasks, I use the same applications that I did in Windows 7. Guess what - they still work. (Mail is a prime example; while it supports IMAP - specifically Gmail - it doesn't support POP/SMTP - my default e-mail address. Hence there is still a need for e-mail clients like Outlook.) The same applies to audio (Music - instead I use both VLC and Creative MediaSource 5), video (VLC and WMP12, which is included), and PDF files (Microsoft Reader - instead, I run Adobe Reader).

Then there's the built-in Search - it runs the gamut across all applications and application types - both Metro and otherwise. I've used it to zero in on, among all things, VMware Workstation 8 - a decidedly non-Metro application. (Shades of Windows 2000 Professional. Sounds like Index Server has gotten some serious improvements since it was included as part of the OS core with that NT-based OS.)

The detractors have gotten so hung up on the (admittedly) radically-different UI that they haven't realized that the underpinnings not only work with the existing applications they have been using, but that the vastly-improved underpinnings bring things to the user experience that Windows 7 flat-out lacked. (I didn't *fire* Windows 7 on a whim - especially not on a desktop.)

In all the testing and general usage of the Consumer Preview, I have had ONE application I normally use fail - the Kindle Reader application for Windows 7 refuses to import unencrypted MOBI e-books. Until Amazon fixes that, I'll run Calibre for reading those e-books. (Both are free, so all it's caused me is slight aggro.)

[HawkMan]

two which quickly come to my mind, the power button and the control panel... previously it was a two click affair. now it is not. Another would be My computer and My Document and similar shortcuts from the start menus... now I am having to put them on my desktop... which I liked to keep clean and empty.

Right click bottom left for control panel and other management tools. As for power button, So far all my computers have come with one ;) The thing is that you're not supposed to turn off computers anymore, sleep mode and hibernate, and power management means they use very little power when not in active use.

As for the "my" folder and libraries. use the explorer superbar pop up

[Shaun N.]

Shutdown/restart is the same number of clicks as Win7. Now it just has a more sensible home (ever since Win95 it's been a common joke to point out the oddity of pressing "Start" in order to shut down).

It hasn't been known as "start" since XP

[King Lizzle]

So you believe Microsoft shouldn't cater for incredibly rich people with private planes, who keep ever-present desktop PCs on-board? I believe Microsoft should cater for all of their customers.

So you think MS should have a desktop airplane mode for the three people in the world who would even consider using it, but yet you object to them including a traditional Start Menu which probably well over 50% of users would want and use?

Either way I don't care whether airplane mode is present on all devices - it is of no detriment whatsoever to any desktop user if that is the case. I don't think anyone would have a problem with it being there, but please don't pretend MS left it in as a feature for rich people - that is utter nonsense. It's in because it is a laptop/tablet feature and MS is deploying the same OS to all devices.

The easiest way is to create shortcut for Control Panel on your desktop among others in order to avoid Metro. It is lot of initial setup.

You can also pin it to the taskbar which enables jump list making it easy to get straight to Windows Update / Programs and Features etc without having to leave the desktop.

[Calum Veteran]

So you think MS should have a desktop airplane mode for the three people in the world who would even consider using it, but yet you object to them including a traditional Start Menu which probably well over 50% of users would want and use?

Either way I don't care whether airplane mode is present on all devices - it is of no detriment whatsoever to any desktop user if that is the case. I don't think anyone would have a problem with it being there, but please don't pretend MS left it in as a feature for rich people - that is utter nonsense. It's in because it is a laptop/tablet feature and MS is deploying the same OS to all devices.

See, this is your problem. You haven't even understood what my point was. My point wasn't that Microsoft "should have a desktop airplane mode" in Windows 8 (that statement of yours implies that I believe Microsoft should go out of their way to develop that specific feature). I was merely pointing out that Microsoft shouldn't remove that already-present feature for those who use Windows 8 on a desktop PC, and I provided possible (although unlikely) uses for it, to help backup my reasonable point. Likewise, I didn't even suggest that is the reason Microsoft left it in, like you claim here. I provided possibilities to backup my point, but I did not state that was Microsoft's reasoning.

[Stoffel]

Why do people say it's so hard to get to the control panel or Windows update?

Control Panel: Rightclick in the left bottom corner select Control panel

Windows Update: Right click on the Action Center Flag, then click open Windows Update

What's so hard about this?

[Calum Veteran]

It hasn't been known as "start" since XP

It has. If you hover over the Taskbar orb in both Windows Vista and Windows 7, a tooltip appears with the text "Start."

[Shaun N.]

It has. If you hover over the Taskbar orb in both Windows Vista and Windows 7, a tooltip appears with the text "Start."

Oh wow, I've never hovered over there long enough to get a tooltip. I stand corrected I guess :/

[wahoospa]

Anyone else go right back to Windows 7 after playing with 8 for a little while? I think it's kind of a mess and definitely not ready for prime time.

So you didn't like Windows H8 either I see.