Christian students walk out as Dan Savage attacks the Bible

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have done. not would do.

religion is a blight on humanity

You from portland by any chance. BTW if you eliminate freedom of religion in the U.S then the bound between the people and the government is broken. Our nation would no longer exist. Take one right away they all will go shortly there after. One bright mind says No! we don't need religion its a blight on humanity! Ok freedom of religion goes away. Who knows what right will go next, most likely the first amendment.

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Beliefs are fair game for attacks, even vicious attacks. You have complete control of your mind to either change or own or convince others of what you believe. Religious beliefs deserve no more protection from criticism or ridicule than do racist, bigoted, or jingoistic beliefs. People should feel no more insulted by criticism of their religious beliefs as I they would be about criticism of their favorite football team or favorite color. People going bat-**** crazy when their religion is criticized reflects how weak-minded they are. They feel vulnerable because they lack the mental faculty to explain why they think their beliefs are correct.

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I've always said..."If I cannot handle opposition, then my faith needs strength" . Beliefs DESERVE to be analyzed. Nothing get a free pass. As a Christian I welcome honest criticism, because I have confidence my belief system can stand in the arena of a honest debate. But trolls who just hate without considering what I have to say? Just like Jesus said "shake the dust off your sandals and move on".

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Man just think if the roles were reversed here. A Christian speaker goes into a high school and does the opposite/yet same thing Savage said...all hell would have been barking for his head on a platter.

If the roles were truly reversed, then gays would be 90% of the population and trying to take away the right of Christians to marry and screaming at the top of their lungs that Christians are condemned to hell.

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No because your location. And your views on religion.

a view on religion doesnt mean ****... there are a TON of religious people in oregon

you say as I can tell, as if for some reason I must be a hardcore democrat because I dont like religion, and am from oregon.

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The rules in the bible are merely a standard to live by, and many have changed. The bible had reasons for those back then, but aren't as necessary now.

Yes, stoning a non-virin wife on their wedding night on their father's doorstep, when they were likely 12 years old is completely acceptable. We should live by that today and maybe MTV wouldn't have anything to air on their network!

The bible clearly says to lead by Example, people should be able to see by the way act and live what they are, not what you tell them. The way I see it, a good way to live (no matter what religion) is said in Galatians 5:16-23

Leading by example and I keep reading this: https://en.wikipedia...sex_abuse_cases

I looked up Galatians 5:16-23 as well, this is a NASB version and broke this down a bit...

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:

immorality - the quality of not being in accord with standards of right or good conduct

impurity - The quality or condition of being impure.

sensuality - The enjoyment, expression, or pursuit of physical, esp. sexual, pleasure.

idolatry - Worship of idols.

sorcery - The use of magic, esp. black magic.

enmities - The state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.

strife - Angry or bitter disagreement over fundamental issues; conflict.

jealousy - The state or feeling of being jealous.

outbursts of anger

disputes - A disagreement, argument, or debate.

dissensions - Disagreement that leads to discord.

factions - A small, organized, dissenting group within a larger one, esp. in politics.

envying - Desire to have a quality, possession, or other attribute belonging to (someone else): "he envied tall people"; "I envy Jane her happiness".

drunkenness - a temporary state resulting from excessive consumption of alcohol.

carousing - Drink plentiful amounts of alcohol and enjoy oneself with others in a noisy, lively way.

and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is

love - An intense feeling of deep affection

joy - A feeling of great pleasure and happiness.

peace - Freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility.

patience - The capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.

kindness - The quality of being friendly, generous, and considerate

goodness - The quality of being good, in particular.

faithfulness - fidelity: the quality of being faithful.

gentleness - gradualness: the property possessed by a slope that is very gradual

self-control - self-denial: the act of denying yourself; controlling your impulses.

; against such things there is no law.

I read this, and can only think of monks to be honest. As you state below - the usage of the words and their current-day intrepretations may have varied.

On a more on topic note. The kids have a right to maybe possible feel offended, but if they cant stand someone else's opinions, they cant be to sure about their faith, and would most like be easily persuaded. The same goes to the non Christians believing him about the bible being Wrong. most of the stuff he pointed out was the old testament. Most of the rules of the Old Testament was abandoned. And the bit about slaves in the new testament, its easy to say its wrong, but if you were to read it in the original greek or hebrew, it would have simply meant a servant. Im not saying I know much about the bible, but he was very much "cherry picking" as some of you mentioned in previous posts, with very little knowledge of the scripture. To use something like the bible on people, you must first study the ORIGINAL translations, since the meaning and words used either dont exist anymore, or have been changed. The Bible said homosexuality is wrong, it didn't say go bully them.

If people would just stop judging, bashing and using religion against one another, life would be much better for anyone

just thought id give my opinion. im not good at getting my point across in words:p

Im unsure how the bible works, i will admit I'm incredibly ignorant to ALL religious manuals, rules, conductivity, etc. but generally if someone offends you - theres a reason for it. This is the chance for those who were offended to counter Dan Savages views with their own take on the bible. Least, I think thats how it works.. but if what you quoted above, I would say an outburst of anger would force someone to leave a room - which is a thingy of the flesh...

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KingCracker

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a view on religion doesnt mean ****... there are a TON of religious people in oregon

Ok then if a view on religion doesn't mean **** then why give a crap about what people of said religion says about gay people after all a view on religion and from a religion stand point doesn't mean anything right?

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mokthraka

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Ok then if a view on religion doesn't mean **** then why give a crap about what people of said religion says about gay people after all a view on religion and from a religion stand point doesn't mean anything right?

once again its all about context... I mean as in where one lives.
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Ok then if a view on religion doesn't mean **** then why give a crap about what people of said religion says about gay people after all a view on religion and from a religion stand point doesn't mean anything right?

Because people are trying to turn religious beliefs into laws that take away the rights of those they oppose.

Gay people aren't trying to pass laws to remove your freedom of religion, or your right to marry.

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mokthraka

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Because people are trying to turn religious beliefs into laws that take away the rights of those they oppose.

Gay people aren't trying to pass laws to remove your freedom of religion, or your right to marry.

yeah but they are gonna ruin marriage! because its so sacred!
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bj55555

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Because people are trying to turn religious beliefs into laws that take away the rights of those they oppose.

Gay people aren't trying to pass laws to remove your freedom of religion, or your right to mcarry.

Imagine if THAT were the case. He'd have a ****ing conniption.

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Man just think if the roles were reversed here. A Christian speaker goes into a high school and does the opposite/yet same thing Savage said...all hell would have been barking for his head on a platter

Pretty much, like the girl being muted during her valedictorian speech for mentioning her believes.

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religion is a blight on humanity. should it be allowed? yes. should they be allowed to preach or influence politics or schools. No.

You know, even though I am a Christian, I actually pretty much agree with what you've got to say about schools. I think that education should be secular (which is neutrality towards religion, not endorsement or opposition). But since I believe that they should be neutral towards religion, I also don't think they should have speakers bashing people's beliefs.

Teach about them, sure - in an objective way, since that's needed to get a basic grasp on history and literature. If you want to bash them, sure, you can do that, since I believe in freedom of expression, but a high school is not the place for that. I'm the last person to call politically correct, I'm not worried about hurting anyone's feelings. I just don't think that a school should be forcing any philosophy on anyone. Just the facts, sir! That goes for any agenda.

Also, about that statement you made regarding the 'Dark Ages,' sure, that was appalling, but that's definitely not the standard to judge Christianity by, considering that that was against the beliefs they were supposedly defending. Modern Christianity - and Christianity in general - can't be judged by what someone did 1500 years ago, which probably had as much to do wih politics as religion. Those were cruel times wih or without religion, and revealed humanity at its worse. Yet, if it hadn't been for Christian monks, think of how much knowledge would have been lost, and perhaps there wouldn't have been a Rennisance. That doesn't right the wrongs others, and maybe he same people, did, but I think it proves that religion has done some good for the world.

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mokthraka

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You know, even though I am a Christian, I actually pretty much agree with what you've got to say about schools. I think that education should be secular (which is neutrality towards religion, not endorsement or opposition). But since I believe that they should be neutral towards religion, I also don't think they should have speakers bashing people's beliefs.

Teach about them, sure - in an objective way, since that's needed to get a basic grasp on history and literature. If you want to bash them, sure, you can do that, since I believe in freedom of expression, but a high school is not the place for that. I'm the last person to call politically correct, I'm not worried about hurting anyone's feelings. I just don't think that a school should be forcing any philosophy on anyone. Just the facts, sir! That goes for any agenda.

Also, about that statement you made regarding the 'Dark Ages,' sure, that was appalling, but that's definitely not the standard to judge Christianity by, considering that that was against the beliefs they were supposedly defending. Modern Christianity - and Christianity in general - can't be judged by what someone did 1500 years ago, which probably had as much to do wih politics as religion. Those were cruel times wih or without religion, and revealed humanity at its worse. Yet, if it hadn't been for Christian monks, think of how much knowledge would have been lost, and perhaps there wouldn't have been a Rennisance. That doesn't right the wrongs others, and maybe he same people, did, but I think it proves that religion has done some good for the world.

the part about the dark age was mostly in reference to the Islam comment.

I should rephrase my comment about saying its a blight. its more the way it is right now. it interfers to much with politics and general life. I fully believe that people should be able to follow a religion if they want. but it should not effect general life.

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KingCracker

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What exactly is hypocritical about us having an online discussion?

How is saying religion is "the blight of humanity" having a discussion. You can't have a discussion about religion here its predominately anti religion.

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mokthraka

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How is saying religion is "the blight of humanity" having a discussion. You can't have a discussion about religion here its predominately anti religion.

oh, you mean like telling me to go protest in front of a church, or having a discussion with them? you cant have a discussion about religion when its predominantly religious.
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