Just how many people hate Windows 8?

[PGHammer]

Or..

Something more current.. most of all computers now come with a laser mouse. Also, a mouse is very easy to replace.

Or..

Something more current.. most of all computers now come with a laser mouse. Also, a mouse is very easy to replace.

Laser mice are now with price-parity with older ball mice.

In fact, look at the CURRENT crop of low-end mice - most are, in fact, laser (including the low-end mice from both Microsoft and Logitech).

The only reason to choose a ball mouse nowadays is personal preference - period. (I went from wired ball to wired laser to wireless laser - without a quibble or even changing mouse drivers, except when changing operating systems. And that is going from three different brands of pointing device - Microsoft (ball), Saitek (wired laser), and Logitech (wireless laser - specifically the V220 Cordless Laser, my current mouse); I went from wired laser to wireless laser simply to get rid of the wire; I had already swapped out the wired KEYBOARD for a wireless model.

When it comes time to replace the V220, it will not only pretty much be another laser mouse that replaces it, it will likely be another wireless laser mouse, as selection of such mice (not only from Logitech, but from Microsoft) has increased.

[PGHammer]

Indeed and it failed for the same reason than, right now, touchscreen in PC is failing.

Yes - it's called COST. There is still a premium for touch-screen, especially for the desktop. Look at where touch DOES exist for desktops - the AIO market (where, amazingly, Apple's iMac has avoided touch like the plague - despite it having the same screen-size as Windows 8-based AIOs) - however, AIOs are outliers in terms of PCs. You can add touch support to existing hardware; however, it's still cheaper to buy a sharper-pitch non-touch flat-panel display than one that supports touch.

As screen sizes go up, the cost of implementing touch ALSO goes up. Right now, said cost is entirely on the display end - however, it's a SUNK cost, and therefore, must justify itself in terms of use. That's far easier in terms of portable PCs (where touch is more prevalent) than desktops. However, even in the portable market, it's more prevalent in the sub-laptop screen sizes (notebooks and netbook/slate sizes - basically, 15" and less) - cost of implementation AGAIN rearing its ugly mug.

Windows 8 (on the OS end, and on the application end) has better touch support than previous versions of Windows - not even the critics of 8 dispute that. However, touch is still at a price disadvantage on the hardware/display end - about which Microsoft can do nothing, as it is beyond their control at this juncture.

[PGHammer]

@PGHammer as well, How timely, http://www.neowin.ne...dling-practices

hahaha, billionaire games.

Excuse me - I have nary a SINGLE post in the thread you referred to. None at all.

I DO have a post in another thread concerning Google - however, it is about their user counts.

I posted in that thread because, while I own nary an Android device, I use their accounts and services, and run various Android/ChromeOS/ChromiumOS-based VMs - all of which require Google+ sign-ins. I have a SINGLE account that I use for all my Google usage - from Chrome to GMail to YouTube; however, how many times am I counted by Google? (The same issue would, in fact, apply to my Microsoft Account - which, in fact, replaced my Passport; I use it across ALL of the various Microsoft groups and divisions where I roost - from Windows to Office to MSDN to Xbox.) Individual Microsoft GROUPS report individual user counts - however, Microsoft does NOT report an aggregate figure precisely due to duplication - which can be quite rife. I would rather Google adopt Microsoft's approach - counting individual services, even individual ANDROID-based services - simply to avoid count inflation as an issue.

[Dot Matrix]

People do care. They just never know they care early on. This is why computing started with closed systems and then ended up with open systems.

Open Systems ultimately win out as people want devices that offer solutions to problems they have. They don't want to have to deal with 50 different devices for every little task.

Closed systems have to fight to keep up with every advancement in competing platforms. Open platforms allow third parties to add those advancements.

Windows has allowed shell changes since a GUI was added... I don't get what you mean by Microsoft doesn't support it. Microsoft doesn't "support" a whole host of things regarding Windows. They don't support Stardock's Start8 nor do they support Firefox or Chrome.

Microsoft does support the hooks they allow the developers to tie into, including utilizing all of the Win32 APIs and registry keys to make a custom shell.

The problem with the RT variants is they don't allow users the flexibility that Windows has always allowed. Microsoft is attempting to close the system and Windows 8 really is just the start of this process.

I'm not sure why I'm discussing this though as you either don't understand or you don't care and would rather just tow the company line.

The "closed system" you cry of, has been in consumer hands since Vista. Windows 8 hasn't changed anything. It still "supports" customization, however, it is still Microsoft's OS, if they want to change something around that breaks those customizations, it's their prerogative. They don't Q&A for those. Firefox, they will. At the end of the day, they're not supported by Windows or Microsoft, and never have.

[MorganX]

Excuse me - I have nary a SINGLE post in the thread you referred to. None at all.

I wasn't calling you out for a post, lol. Just pointing to the topic, even MS, now at a disadvantage, accuses Google of monopolistic practices.

[Growled Member]

Just pointing to the topic, even MS, now at a disadvantage, accuses Google of monopolistic practices.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black?

[+LogicalApex MVC]

The "closed system" you cry of, has been in consumer hands since Vista. Windows 8 hasn't changed anything. It still "supports" customization, however, it is still Microsoft's OS, if they want to change something around that breaks those customizations, it's their prerogative. They don't Q&A for those. Firefox, they will. At the end of the day, they're not supported by Windows or Microsoft, and never have.

Err what? Are you sure you responded to the right person or post?

[PGHammer]

I wasn't calling you out for a post, lol. Just pointing to the topic, even MS, now at a disadvantage, accuses Google of monopolistic practices.

And has has been said of Microsoft (or even Apple), why NOT investigate - to see if said allegation has any merit?

It wasn't swept under the rug (in the US) when it was Microsoft getting accused, so why should it just because Microsoft is the accuser?

Could it be possible that Microsoft could be right and that Google COULD be just as guilty as Microsoft was accused of - just in a different marketplace?

I'm not defending Microsoft, or even accusing Google - all I am saying is that the allegation should be checked out.

[MorganX]

And has has been said of Microsoft (or even Apple), why NOT investigate - to see if said allegation has any merit?

It wasn't swept under the rug (in the US) when it was Microsoft getting accused, so why should it just because Microsoft is the accuser?

Could it be possible that Microsoft could be right and that Google COULD be just as guilty as Microsoft was accused of - just in a different marketplace?

I'm not defending Microsoft, or even accusing Google - all I am saying is that the allegation should be checked out.

I agree. The law is the law.

[francescob]

8. 8 people hate Windows 8! Ah ah ah!

[zeta_immersion]

I cannot say I hate 8 but man I dislike to the core the Metro vision of the UI ... unintuitive and poorly implemented.

Works great for the tablets/phones but must be redesigned for the PC. In its current form is abysmal at best .

[Faizaan Khan]

I do not hate :) Just because it has a whole new interface and also because of its speed. It loads faster than previous versions that were all sleepy nerds

[bigmehdi]

8. 8 people hate Windows 8! Ah ah ah!

How can you 8 Windows Hate ?

[DAOWAce]

Oh hi old thread; responding to an old post, and I don't care!

Within the "nerd" set, there a few vocal types that don't like change, it's best if we ignore them instead of making them feel like their antiquated views matter when they don't

Opinions are opinions.

Yours matter just as much, or as little, as anyone elses.

What is fact though is that Windows 8 was designed for touch interfaces, not K&M. Nothing anyone says will change this.

[+Warwagon MVC]

I went to dell.com and this is what I saw on their front page

[fusi0n]

I went to dell.com and this is what I saw on their front page

Damn.. if that wasn't a punch in the balls for MS I don't know what is..

[+Warwagon MVC]

Damn.. if that wasn't a punch in the balls for MS I don't know what is..

Exactly "Roll a lucky 7" as in "Pray to god you get lucky and get a PC with windows 7"

[MorganX]

Exactly "Roll a lucky 7" as in "Pray to god you get lucky and get a PC with windows 7"

I hope your displeasure with Windows 8 is truly because of annoyances in the OS and not just bandwagoning against it. Because, it looks like lackluster sales have woken management up and they're taking control of things again, and listening to customers.

Start Button, Streamlined Search, More Snap Views, maybe Boot to Desktop ... even with no Modern UI apps worth mentioning, there are a few but really not when comparing to Desktop Environment Apps, Windows 8 is superior to Windows 7, even for W32 computing. That's if they deliver the changes.

Yes, MS dropped a huge turd all across the 8 line of products. But they are too big not to fix it. Investors are putting Ballmer in their sights publicly, you know some foots are going to go up some developer's asses to get things fixed. And fixed the way customers want, within reason. Not the way and out-of-touch, out-of-control, development teams wants it. I can't believe Sinofsky is giving lectures on how to ship a product at Universities given the half-ass, half-finished stuff he shipped in Windows 8 RTM. It's things like that which are helping with the dumbing down of America. Unfortunately, this is the State of things. Be an ass as long as you can, lie as much as you can, and when you peace out, take as much money and bounce with as big a golden parachute as you can. Then teach it to the next generation.

[DDStriker]

Now this is an improvement and the way it should have been from the start

http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Windows-Start-Button-Will-Come-Back-Thanks-to-You-346993.shtml

(Posting here because neowin seems to be a bit behind with this news assuming it's legitimate)

[Growled Member]

I can't believe Sinofsky is giving lectures on how to ship a product at Universities given the half-ass, half-finished stuff he shipped in Windows 8 RTM.

The thing is, the Modern interface could be great with some tweaks and a lot more apps. That constant flopping from Modern to desktop is what gets annoying.

[Order_66]

Now this is an improvement and the way it should have been from the start

http://news.softpedi...ou-346993.shtml

(Posting here because neowin seems to be a bit behind with this news assuming it's legitimate)

It would seem to be great news that they are bringing back a start menu however if the start menu only takes the user to the "metro" garbage then sadly windows 8 will continue its rapid fall into obscurity and remain unchallenged as being the worst OS ever released in the entire history of microsoft.

[Growled Member]

They should just put a mini task bar or active program manager somewhere on the Modern interface. If they did that they probably could do away with the desktop.

[PGHammer]

It would seem to be great news that they are bringing back a start menu however if the start menu only takes the user to the "metro" garbage then sadly windows 8 will continue its rapid fall into obscurity and remain unchallenged as being the worst OS ever released in the entire history of microsoft.

For all the liberalism in everything else, those that don't like ModernUI are being as traditionalistic as any far-right conservative.

In short, everything else must abandon the old *except Windows*; there, Microsoft must stand fast, even at the risk of obsolescence.

Kind of makes me wonder what other areas they are actually *closet conservative* in.

[Noir Angel]

For all the liberalism in everything else, those that don't like ModernUI are being as traditionalistic as any far-right conservative.

In short, everything else must abandon the old *except Windows*; there, Microsoft must stand fast, even at the risk of obsolescence.

Kind of makes me wonder what other areas they are actually *closet conservative* in.

I love the misinformed stupidity but I'm about as socially liberal as it comes and I still despise Windows 8. I know it's a hard thought for you Microshills to swallow but not only do you not get to dictate what usability functions matter to other people, you're also so invested that you're ignorant enough to assume that just because it's change it must be adopted. I adopt changes that are worth adopting.

[PGHammer]

I love the misinformed stupidity but I'm about as socially liberal as it comes and I still despise Windows 8. I know it's a hard thought for you Microshills to swallow but not only do you not get to dictate what usability functions matter to other people, you're also so invested that you're ignorant enough to assume that just because it's change it must be adopted. I adopt changes that are worth adopting.

Javik, users having trouble adjusting to the absence of the Start menu (or even the Start button) isn't the issue. My issue is that Microsoft - and Microsoft alone - is attacked if they remove ANY legacy code, even largely moribund legacy code. The Start menu has been complained about and outright ATTACKED over its seventeen years of existence, and has gone largely unchanged over those seventeen years - name ONE feature that has been added to it. However, Microsoft removes it, and a hundred and ten defenders come out of the frigging woodwork. Basically, Microsoft is in the position IBM used to be as far as users are concerned - remove legacy code - even legacy code we complain about - at your peril. The competition to Microsoft is allowed to change and adapt; however, Microsoft is not. It's both a double-standard AND hypocrisy. I didn't like IBM being put in that box - in fact, it darn near killed IBM as a corporate entity - and I don't want to see it kill Microsoft.