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I think it is pretty great. Edge still needs some major improvements (extensions, and a way to right click and save as - how did they miss that one?), and the Mail client has trouble connecting to my work Exchange server. Also hope they'd finally evolve Groove Music into an actual music manager application so I can organize and rate stuff.

Other than that, everything works really well and fast. Love the new start menu on desktop and the Xbox integration. Also the multiple desktops is pretty nice, even though I know Windows was late to the party on having that built in to the OS. Also, some of the universal apps that have come out since launch are also promising.

Haven't used Cortana much yet but plan to use that more on my Surface. Would also like some more control and explanation of privacy options.

I like it, but I'm not crazy about the whole data mining stuff coming to a desktop OS, though. The stuff they want you to allow for the express settings is troubling. I hooked up a webcam, tried out Cortana and disabled her shortly afterward. The whole thing just gave me the creeps. Too much data sent to MS and "trusted partners". If I could just ask her things related to my PC and have her research data online WITHOUT data collection/retention, then I'd use her. I'm tired of being a product to companies in exchange for services. Google no longer gets much traffic from me because of this.

As for problems related to upgrading. My desktop had network connectivity problems until a driver update and my HTPC upgraded with no issues. A Toshiba laptop I upgraded for a friend finished and worked great until the second reboot, upon which it would no longer boot. Windows recovery disc couldn't fix it. Ended up performing a rest, only keeping files. Had to re-install some stuff, but I think it worked out or the best as its much faster/leaner now without all the extra crap installed.

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'What inconsistent mess?  Just making a statement without any backup is just that a inconsistent statement.  If you are able please explain in greater detail. . .:)

if you used it you'd know the inconsistencies..... everything from an unfinished settings to 6 different type of window chromes depending on what you are doing, to a very UI inconstant Edge browser that doesn't even follow the OS UI design (one fast example: double wide borders for dialogs compared to the single wide border in the OS for the same exact element)... to font differences across the OS for the same elements... the list goes on and on... isometric icons for some things but not others... monochrome icons for some but not others of the same type.... I could make a pretty long list if I had time

Then why was it released? My coworkers laughed at me when I told them how aweful 10 was with a reply back saying yeah like MS would release a buggy OS. Well joke is now on them. 

Windows 7 was more stable beta1 than 10 RTM with only 1 real bug in 2009 with indexing mp3 files. It is the best OS. 8.1 too has issues with corrupted updates so it is not perfect. 10 in it's present state was unusable on my main workstation. I feel the press is praising it but in reality it is another WindowsME. It works or man it is messed up kind of scenario. 

The OS should not have been released to make back to school. It was not quality a RTM should be.

Windows ME was an unstable mess.

You are whining about colors. Clearly it doesn't suffer the problems ME did. 

 

10s on all my boxes and I have few complaints.  An Edge/consent UI glitch where if I tell it to run a download it just stops accepting input, and an audio driver glitch with the included Music app.  Some NVIDIA users are having issues with the vidcard drivers at the moment apparently?  I wouldn't know.

Overall it's very worthwhile, but if you want a problem free experience you might wait a few months.

 

if you used it you'd know the inconsistencies..... everything from an unfinished settings to 6 different type of window chromes depending on what you are doing, to a very UI inconstant Edge browser that doesn't even follow the OS UI design (one fast example: double wide borders for dialogs compared to the single wide border in the OS for the same exact element)... to font differences across the OS for the same elements... the list goes on and on... isometric icons for some things but not others... monochrome icons for some but not others of the same type.... I could make a pretty long list if I had time

 

One of the weird ones is how Universal apps are missing some window related animations, like the lack of an opening fade in, while the old (Win32?) apps do.

For example, open File Explorer, then a ModernUI app like Weather, and note the difference.

Windows ME was an unstable mess.

You are whining about colors. Clearly it doesn't suffer the problems ME did. 

 

Since the UI team and the Kernel / base OS team are completely different I'd say it's fine for people to whine about UI elements since the UI team wont be working on system stability and vise versa... the kernel team seems to be doing a great job with the past view versions... the UI team though, lacking...

Since the UI team and the Kernel / base OS team are completely different I'd say it's fine for people to whine about UI elements since the UI team wont be working on system stability and vise versa... the kernel team seems to be doing a great job with the past view versions... the UI team though, lacking...

Please re-read what I said.

You cannot draw parallels between UI inconsistency and outright instability and call them the same to suit an agenda.  That is what sinetheo is doing (check the post prior).

 

It is fine for him to whine about whatever he wants, but he should at least be accurate in accusations.  He can't even tell us what is so unusable about Windows 10.

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Then why was it released? My coworkers laughed at me when I told them how aweful 10 was with a reply back saying yeah like MS would release a buggy OS. Well joke is now on them. 

Windows 7 was more stable beta1 than 10 RTM with only 1 real bug in 2009 with indexing mp3 files. It is the best OS. 8.1 too has issues with corrupted updates so it is not perfect. 10 in it's present state was unusable on my main workstation. I feel the press is praising it but in reality it is another WindowsME. It works or man it is messed up kind of scenario. 

The OS should not have been released to make back to school. It was not quality a RTM should be.

 

Because there are no major bugs that are forcing them to delay the release!

Delaying it because of some colors and borders inconsistent? delaying it because few percentage of people have problems with the upgrade? it doesn't make sense!

 

Because there are no major bugs that are forcing them to delay the release!

Delaying it because of some colors and borders inconsistent? delaying it because few percentage of people have problems with the upgrade? it doesn't make sense!

But but, those colors and borders make it unstable for him!

You can't make  fair judgment by comparing between 3 years old OS stability and fresh OS stability

Windows 10 isn't new, it's no more new than Windows 8.1 was at release. It's a revision of a 3 year old system, which was a revision of another 3 year old system which was a revision of another older system etc. Windows 8 was very polished when it was released, as was Windows 8.1, while Windows 10 is not. 

I can indeed make a fair judgement on the state of Windows 10 at release compared to the other systems at release. I can also express my disappointment that Microsoft didn't take their time to polish this system further before release. I also wrote that Windows 10 will probably be very well polished in a year's time. But it isn't today. That's fair to say.

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Windows 10 isn't new, it's no more new than Windows 8.1 was at release. It's a revision of a 3 year old system, which was a revision of another 3 year old system which was a revision of another older system etc. Windows 8 was very polished when it was released, as was Windows 8.1, while Windows 10 is not. 

I can indeed make a fair judgement on the state of Windows 10 at release compared to the other systems at release. I can also express my disappointment that Microsoft didn't take their time to polish this system further before release. I also wrote that Windows 10 will probably be very well polished in a year's time. But it isn't today. That's fair to say.

You say they were polished, but plenty of people said otherwise when they came out. 

You can't make  fair judgment by comparing between 3 years old OS stability and fresh OS stability

Of course you can if you are going to swap one for the other. Windows 8 was more stable from the first Consumer Preview than Windows 10 is right now. As I type this, for example, my Bluetooth drops out for the thousandth time (second time this morning, and I only switched it on 10 minutes ago) and my screen goes black for two seconds, then flickers back into life (which is a new one I haven't encountered before). It is hardly the kind of experience that is going to have everyone flocking back to Windows, is it?

Microsoft never learn - W10 needed to be the most stable, reliable, slick version ever and it just isn't. Don't get me wrong, it is still better than OS X or Linux, it's just not better than Windows 8, nor likely to be for some considerable time, I'm afraid. That's why I am not going to upgrade either of the PCs I rely on every day, just this throw-away tablet I bought for the purpose of testing W10.

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'What inconsistent mess?  Just making a statement without any backup is just that a inconsistent statement.  If you are able please explain in greater detail. . .:)

1. They still haven't finished porting everything from Control Panel to Settings. They have had three years since W8 launched and Control Panel is still there. At this rate, we will have to put up with both for at least another five years.

2. They are using at least four different style of icons in different places, from the new outline icons in Settings through to the uglier full colour icons in Explorer. They need to pick a single icon style and use it everywhere.

3. They are still using some dialog boxes that have been around since Windows 95, e.g. "Sounds" and most other driver dialogs, with tiny little windows and half-a-dozen tabs because when they first introducrd them, the average screen res was 800 x 600. Then there are dialogs from the VIsta/Win7 era, like Control Panel, as well as newer, slicker looking windows like Settings. They need to get rid of all the old style and give Windows 10 a consistent look and feel.

Overall it makes the whole OS feel half-finished and gives the very distinct impression that Microsoft just doesn't give a ###### about the user experience. OS X may look boring but at least it looks designed, not just thrown together.

I liked 7 from the day it was released.  Still like 7.  I think since win10 will be an ever-evolving creature - it will become good.  Right now, its almost OK.

I disliked 7 from the day it was released. It didn't fix any of the issues I had with Vista but managed to introduce new ones. I think it is the worst version of Windows I've ever used, until now, in that it didn't feel like an upgrade from Vista in any meaningful way. It was more like Vista SP3, which we didn't need because Vista SP2 was actually fine.

I think Windows 10 is the same. It may be better than Windows 8 was on the day it was released, at least in some ways, but it is definitely not as good as the current version of Windows 8 and doesn't really address any of the issues I have with Windows 8 anyway. If anything, it has made those things worse. e.g. Incsistent UI elements. Microsoft haven't improved anything, they have simply swapped one set of problems for another and the way they have rushed the release gives it all an air of desperation, shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic. I'd prefer that they had waited until it was ready, not released it in the condition it is, which is no better than the very first Dev Preview version of Windows 8 was, 6 months before release.

Again, don't get me wrong, it is not terrible, it just isn't as good as I think it needs to be to do what Microsoft want it to do for them. It certainly isn't good enough that I'd even consider installing it over W8 on either of the PCs I rely on every day, and won't be until it has a usable touch experience and a browser that offers a similar UX to the Metro version of IE11.

Everything in general seems to work great after taking the update route. as a gamer, windows 10 is great due to the Dx12 stack. I just miss some of the past windows version features.

the control panel is dumbed down or missing features. It's almost as if there's a fight between Settings and control panel. Though, the settings seem to be the focal point of the issue.

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It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to the Control Panel, initially I did not see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Control Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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