Kentucky clerk still won't issue same-sex marriage licenses

[hagjohn]

I wonder if she actually thinks she can win this? Personally, I think she's doing it for the fame it will bring her in the conservative movement and money but that's my opinion.

[LaP]

I wonder if she actually thinks she can win this? Personally, I think she's doing it for the fame it will bring her in the conservative movement and money but that's my opinion.

If she thinks she can win then she is brainwashed beyond belief.

[TPreston]

Just to add something new to this discussion anyone else find it funny that she had no problems lying her ass off about the entire case at the start.

Initially she claimed SHE wouldn't do it, and then it comes out later on at the hearing that other people are willing to do I but she won't let them.

What a hypocrite

[ramesees]

Just to add something new to this discussion anyone else find it funny that she had no problems lying her ass off about the entire case at the start.

Initially she claimed SHE wouldn't do it, and then it comes out later on at the hearing that other people are willing to do I but she won't let them.

What a hypocrite

 

Yes but to her mind the lie will be for the greater good or glory of God so its acceptable.

Nonsense of course, but then isnt this whole affair ?

[TPreston]

This is the joke that keeps on giving

Think Progress is a left-wing extremist blog that exists to push “progressive” propaganda. Zack Ford is an atheist homosexual activist who blogs for Think Progress. When Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, announced at this past weekend’s Values Voter Summit (VVS) in Washington, D.C., that Peruvian Congressman Julio Rosas, who attended VVS, shared with him that around 100,000 Peruvian Christians held a prayer rally on September 13 to pray for embattled Kentucky clerk Kim Davis, Mr. Ford thought the news was too bad to be true. And so, using that fail-proof journalistic device called Google, he searched for a news report covering the rally. When he found none he declared, boldly (and erroneously, by the way), that, “No, 100,000 People Did Not Gather In Peru To Support Kim Davis. Here’s Proof.” In his blog post Ford features a video of an evidently different rally held at the same venue, allegedly in 2014, rather than the rally held for Kim Davis on September 13, 2015. While the two events appear to be in the same stadium, there are noticeable differences between them (the 2014 rally is more raucous, clearly has more attendees, there are flags being waved throughout the stadium, etc.).

After verifying the veracity of the prayer rally and that the photo provided by Congressman Rosas was, in fact, from the Davis prayer rally, Liberty Counsel issued the following statement. It turns out that, in his excited “gotcha”-driven effort to discredit Liberty Counsel and deny that the Kim Davis rally ever occurred, Mr. Ford has, instead, discredited himself and embarrassed Think Progress. At the time of this report neither Zack Ford nor anyone at Think Progress has responded to inquiries as to whether they even bothered to reach out to Congressman Rosas’ office for verification of the rally before posting Ford’s irresponsible hit piece. That, of course, is the kind of thing that actual journalists do, so we at BarbWire aren’t that surprised. Nonetheless, we anxiously await Think Progress’ retraction and apology.

Read more at http://barbwire.com/2015/09/28/yes-100000-peruvian-christians-did-hold-a-prayer-rally-for-kim-davis/

 

24 hours later...

(Editors note: Think Progress has updated its blog and linked to a Facebook post date stamped May 25, 2014, which, at the very least, calls into question the origin of the photograph given to Liberty Counsel by Congressman Rosas. BarbWire will continue to seek answers as to where this photograph first originated and why, apparently, someone within Congressman Rosas’ office (or elsewhere) represented to the congressman that it was a photograph of a prayer rally held in Peru for Kim Davis when, as it now seems, such was not the case. To the extent that we at BarbWire appear to have received inaccurate information, and, further, to the extent that Zack Ford and Think Progress appear to have been correct about the questionable nature of this photograph, it seems that they were right and we were wrong. We will update our readers as we receive further explanation.” ~ Matt Barber
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2015/09/28/yes-100000-peruvian-christians-did-hold-a-prayer-rally-for-kim-davis/

 

Pope Francis Met With Kim Davis, Kentucky County Clerk, in Washington

ROME — Pope Francis met privately in Washington last week with Kim Davis, the county clerk in Kentucky who defied a court order to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, adding a new element to an American tour that saw Francis attract huge crowds and articulate left-leaning positions on poverty, immigration, the environment and inequality.

Vatican officials initially would not confirm that the meeting occurred, finally doing so on Wednesday afternoon, while refusing to discuss any details.

Ms. Davis, the clerk in Rowan County, Ky., has been at the center of a nationwide controversy over whether government employees and private businesses have a legal right to refuse to serve same-sex couples. She spent five days in jail for disobeying a federal court order to issue the licenses.

On Tuesday night, her lawyer, Mathew D. Staver, said that Ms. Davis and her husband, Joe, were sneaked into the Vatican Embassy by car on Thursday afternoon. Francis gave her rosaries and told her to “stay strong,” the lawyer said. The couple met for about 15 minutes with the pope, who was accompanied by security guards, aides and photographers.

 

“That meeting with the pope and the Little Sisters was a specific event,” he said, noting that he had informed the news media because the pontiff had diverted from his public schedule.

For the most part, Francis has avoided any incendiary talk about same-sex marriage, and early in his papacy he even signaled a tolerant attitude about homosexuals with his now famous comment, “Who am I to judge?” Francis opposes same-sex marriage and has often defined marriage as between a man and a woman. In his final Mass, in Philadelphia hours before his departure, Francis said that God is revealed through the “covenant of man and woman.”

But he then immediately signaled a more welcoming tone: “Anyone who wants to bring into this world a family which teaches children to be excited by every gesture aimed at overcoming evil — a family which shows that the Spirit is alive and at work — will encounter our gratitude and our appreciation. Whatever the family, people, or religion to which they belong!”

Francis’ meeting with Ms. Davis was first reported by Inside the Vatican, a publication edited by Robert Moynihan, an American who has covered the Vatican for many years.

Some analysts argued that the meeting was less about same-sex marriage and more about Francis’ uncompromising support for conscientious objection — a stance he emphasized at a news conference onboard the papal airplane during the return trip to Rome on Sunday.

Toward the end of the news conference, an American television reporter asked Francis about government officials who refused to perform their duties because of religious objections to same-sex marriage.

In answering the question, Francis did not mention the Davis case and began with what, in hindsight, seems like a curious disclaimer: “I can’t have in mind all cases that can exist about conscientious objection,” he said.

Then he continued, by saying that “conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right.”

Alberto Melloni, a liberal Vatican historian in Italy, said that in meeting with Ms. Davis, Francis was staking out ground as a defender of conscientious objection more than seeking to escalate his relatively muted opposition to same-sex marriage. Mr. Melloni noted that this stance was consistent with Francis’ decision to single out Thomas Merton and Dorothy Day during his address to Congress. Both were “radical pacifists,” Mr. Melloni said: Merton was a conscientious objector during World War II, and Day supported objectors during the Vietnam War.

John Gehring, Catholic program director at Faith in Public Life, a liberal advocacy group, said Francis’ intent was not to escalate America’s culture wars but to illustrate the contradictions within them.

“Part of the Francis effect is making the left and the right a little bit uncomfortable, and, mission accomplished,” Mr. Gehring said. “I think Pope Francis affirms religious liberty, and he rejects the culture wars. That’s something we need to grapple with.”

So apparently  “conscientious objection" allows you to force your religious beliefs onto an entire public office. The more you know!

Edited October 1, 2015 by TPreston

[DefyTheOutcome]

2nd quote from Barbwire

(Editors note: Think Progress has updated its blog and linked to a Facebook post date stamped May 25, 2014, which, at the very least, calls into question the origin of the photograph given to Liberty Counsel by Congressman Rosas. BarbWire will continue to seek answers as to where this photograph first originated and why, apparently, someone within Congressman Rosas’ office (or elsewhere) represented to the congressman that it was a photograph of a prayer rally held in Peru for Kim Davis when, as it now seems, such was not the case. To the extent that we at BarbWire appear to have received inaccurate information, and, further, to the extent that Zack Ford and Think Progress appear to have been correct about the questionable nature of this photograph, it seems that they were right and we were wrong. We will update our readers as we receive further explanation.” ~ Matt Barber
Read more at

 

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/09/29/3706790/liberty-counsel-kim-davis-retraction/

At last week’s Values Voter Summit, Mat Staver of the Liberty Counsel displayed a picture that he claimed showed a 100,000-person prayer in Peru for his client, Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis. That picture has since been identified as having been uploaded to Facebook on May 25, 2014 and portraying a massive one-of-a-kind five-day convention known as “Jesús Te Ama Y Te Cambia” (“Jesus Loves You And Changes You”).

After spending Monday defending the photo, Liberty Counsel has admitted that it is not of a Kim Davis rally. In fact, they no longer claim that any rally whatsoever took place for Davis in Peru, but merely that some people in Peru prayed for her.

Nevertheless, the organization is trying to avoid taking responsibility for the photo, tweeting to ThinkProgress Tuesday morning that Peruvian Congressman Julio Rosas was the source of the photo and that they were just parroting his claim:

<Tweets in the original link, I cannot figure out to copy paste it properly>

Later Tuesday morning, Liberty Counsel issued a new statement addressing the controversy and further scapegoating Rosas for the photo.

“When some questioned whether such a large event occurred, Liberty Counsel sought verification this past Saturday and yesterday,” the statement reads. “It now appears that while prayer meetings did occur throughout Peru, the photograph presented to Mat Staver was an honest mistake and was of a different Christian assembly in a soccer field.”

This is a change of tune even from Monday, when a different press release claimed that Rosas had confirmed the validity of the picture both on Saturday and again Monday morning.

Staver has apparently attended several anti-gay and anti-choice marches that Rosas has organized in Peru, which is why he claims that the photo “did not appear unusual because such large Christian gatherings happen much more frequently in Peru.” Liberty Counsel still asserts that people in Peru did pray for Davis that Sunday, but now offers no evidence of how widespread that support actually was.

An honest mistake .... Sure .... Let's take any photos of the Internet and change the caption, nobody will notice .... What was Matt Starver previous job? Volkswagen spokeperson about clean diesel engines may be?

 

 

[Emn1ty]

If she thinks she can win then she is brainwashed beyond belief.

Le pun.

[FloatingFatMan]

Pope Francis Met With Kim Davis, Kentucky County Clerk, in Washington

So apparently  “conscientious objection" allows you to force your religious beliefs onto an entire public office. The more you know!

So she's converted to Roman Catholicism now?