[Official] Star Trek: Discovery Thread

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9 hours ago, LOC said:

Is that the Terran Empire insignia in the middle of the Starfleet symbol?

Based on, https://shop.startrek.com/product/ZVCTSTK151/star-trek-discovery-mirror-universe-terran-empire-tshirt?cp=67928_82903 I don't think so.  The image sort-of reminds me of "phoenix rising".

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Looks more like a red Romulan logo to me...

[George P Global Moderator]

1 hour ago, Human.Online said:

Looks more like a red Romulan logo to me...

Romulans would make for a interesting next arc, after the federation and klingons have beat each other up would be a good time to roll in a gain some new territory. 

[LOC Veteran]

Romulans would be a great arc to have, but wasn't the history of things that Starfleet never had face to face until TOS started? Or am I messing up my timelines due to Enterprise or something else 

[George P Global Moderator]

2 hours ago, LOC said:

Romulans would be a great arc to have, but wasn't the history of things that Starfleet never had face to face until TOS started? Or am I messing up my timelines due to Enterprise or something else 

I can't remember the details in that one TOS episode, I think they haven't actually "seen" what Romulans looked like till that episode, but that star fleet did have basically hit and run contact with them in the past?  

 

We could also just be reading too much into the poster and it has nothing to do with them at all.

[LOC Veteran]

So, reminder - Season 2 begins tonight with the episode "Brother" (I've also seen it referred to as, If Memory Serves) andddddddddd who's looking forward to some new Trek finally?! I sure am, and I'm still very interested to see how they portray Spock at this point in his life.

 

Also, here's some of the cast talking about S2 (note I haven't watched this yet, there may or may not be any spoilers involved though I doubt it) from the Build series on Youtube:

 

[Son_Of_Dad]

This must be the most ridiculous scene in Star Trek history

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Good episode and good introduction to the new arc.

[Dot Matrix]

8 minutes ago, Son_Of_Dad said:

This must be the most ridiculous scene in Star Trek history

Agreed. What was up with the Iron Man like insta-helmets and insta-suits? Where did that come from? This episode had good moments, but felt more like a shi**y JJTrek film than a prime canon show.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

39 minutes ago, Dot Matrix said:

What was up with the Iron Man like insta-helmets and insta-suits?

Fictional sci-fi show set in a fictional future with fictional props used by fictional characters.  Yes, strange that is isn't 100% in-keeping with supposed cannon history for another TV show made by different writers and producers, that goes under the same name and shares similar themes but was made with the technology that was available at the time.

 

41 minutes ago, Dot Matrix said:

This episode had good moments, but felt more like a shi**y JJTrek film than a prime canon show

Yes, it did feel a lot like a JJ Abrams version of Star Trek.  It felt mostly like the Oscar nominated, Into Darkness, specifically the scene in the image shown - that 90% audience rated movie.  How dare they emulate the success of the 2nd best rated Star Trek movie (2nd best, because the best rated was the first JJ Abrams Star Trek movie).

[Son_Of_Dad]

49 minutes ago, Dot Matrix said:

Agreed. What was up with the Iron Man like insta-helmets and insta-suits? Where did that come from?

Dumb writers. All I can put it down as

 

 

5 minutes ago, Human.Online said:

It felt mostly like the Oscar nominated, Into Darkness

It was nominated for visual effects. If it had picked up a nomination for story telling for example like Star Trek The Next Generation at the Emmy awards than your argument might hold something. And "best rated" really depends on where you are gathering ratings from, Into Darkness currently sits on 7.7 at IMDB but then so does Wrath of Khan produced 30 years prior and for a fraction of the budget

[FloatingFatMan]

Still crap, but an improvement on Season 1 so far.

 

Best way to improve it?  Get rid of Burnham, preferably in a terminal fashion.

[shockz]

Loving Season 2 so far, all i'm seeing here is the typical moaning about 21st century special effects finally, and futuristic props that star trek has sorely been needing. Their previous EV suits have looked straight out of the 60s. TAS had some cool energy field suits, bummer those never made it into TNG and beyond.

 

So far we're lacking in the deeper story/humanity reflection story elements, but season premiers are always usually action packed. Plenty of time for that coming up.

Edited January 23, 2019 by shockz

[FloatingFatMan]

42 minutes ago, shockz said:

Loving Season 2 so far, all i'm seeing here is the typical moaning about 21st century special effects finally, and futuristic props that star trek has sorely been needing. Their previous EV suits have looked straight out of the 60s. TAS had some cool energy field suits, bummer those never made it into TNG and beyond.

 

So far we're lacking in the deeper story/humanity reflection story elements, but season premiers are always usually action packed. Plenty of time for that coming up.

Personally, i don't have a problem with the differences in tech. After all, TOS was the 60's, they did the best they could. There's no incongruity for me that modern shows, even though they're prequels, look more advanced.

 

My issue is the writing, the ignorance of established canon and the rampant disregard for Gene's vision. THAT is what's ruining Trek and THAT is why ST:Discovery is still poor Trek. It's just generic scifi show number 1138.

[shockz]

1 hour ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Personally, i don't have a problem with the differences in tech. After all, TOS was the 60's, they did the best they could. There's no incongruity for me that modern shows, even though they're prequels, look more advanced.

 

My issue is the writing, the ignorance of established canon and the rampant disregard for Gene's vision. THAT is what's ruining Trek and THAT is why ST:Discovery is still poor Trek. It's just generic scifi show number 1138.

What does it violate?

 

Season 1 storyline definitely wasn’t my favorite, at least until the mirror universe, but it bridges the gap of why basically everyone in TOS hated the Klingons and why even then, relations between them are tense and on a constant brink. I’m still confused as to what isn’t canon with this series?

 

There certainly wasn’t the human reflection in season one, but that’s been lacking since voyager. DS9 was probably the last series to do a considerable amount of social take on current events, it’s actually errie how some episodes are still relevant more than ever... but voyager? All action oriented. Same with Enterprise. Discovery isn’t some odd one off series that suffers from that, and from what I’ve read season 2 is supposed to bring back a lot of what has been missing from voyager and enterprise. 

[FloatingFatMan]

3 hours ago, shockz said:

What does it violate?

For one, a drive that lets them travel instantly to anywhere...

[shockz]

17 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

For one, a drive that lets them travel instantly to anywhere...

That storyline hasn't even completed yet though, it's clearly an unstable way to travel, requires a host and/or genetic modification, and opens doors to other universes, as well as the potential of damage the whole spore network they talk about. And time travel. Not to mention it's almost made to sound as if the spore network is sentient, have a feeling it'll itself block access or a natural event will prevent it from being utilized in the future.

 

Also, regarding canon, TOS Enterprise was able to basically warp 14 to the galactic barrier (and also center of the galaxy in Star Trek 5) in a matter of hours, yet in Voyager a similar journey would of taken decades. Was the entire premise of Voyager a canon violation? Surely an Intrepid class vessel is faster than an old Constitution class nearly a century prior?

 

There is also the TNG episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, where they instantaneously travel past two galaxies, and eventually into another dimension/plane of existance, all by using Wesley/Traveler as the host to manipulate warp fields, Wesley's discussion about time, existence, thoughts aren't the separate things we thought they were with the Traveler. Sound familiar? Staments says something pretty similar when first describing the spore network.

 

Extreme speeds aren't a new thing for Trek.

 

Another one would be Voyagers episode called Threshold that involved Warp 10, although that was a hot mess.

 

Transwarp hubs, slipstreams, underspace, etc...

 

What happened to the transwarp drive on the excelsior? Could it of used a similar propulsion method? All Scotty did was pull a few relays, surely that could of been repaired? There's all sorts of areas canon can explore with the spore drive.

Edited January 23, 2019 by shockz

[FloatingFatMan]

7 hours ago, shockz said:

That storyline hasn't even completed yet though, it's clearly an unstable way to travel, requires a host and/or genetic modification, and opens doors to other universes, as well as the potential of damage the whole spore network they talk about. And time travel. Not to mention it's almost made to sound as if the spore network is sentient, have a feeling it'll itself block access or a natural event will prevent it from being utilized in the future.

Given the ongoing lawsuit over the whole spore drive/tardigrade plagiarism issue, I'd be surprised if it ever is finished.

 

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Extreme speeds aren't a new thing for Trek.

I'll grant you that, though in most cases the extreme speed was an exception, not a rule.  The spore drive was merely 1 example of canon violation though. There are plenty of videos on YouTube that go into detail, but the biggest problem there isn't the drive, it's the very existence of Michael Burnham.  They tried giving Spock a half-brother once, in Trek V.  That was a disaster and they quickly brushed him under a rug in the hopes people would forget.  Why the hell are they trying such stupidity again with a foster-sister?

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What happened to the transwarp drive on the excelsior? Could it of used a similar propulsion method? All Scotty did was pull a few relays, surely that could of been repaired? There's all sorts of areas canon can explore with the spore drive.

According to canon, transwarp was deemed not feasible as it had harmful side-effects to humanoid life.

Edited January 24, 2019 by FloatingFatMan

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10 hours ago, shockz said:

What happened to the transwarp drive on the excelsior? Could it of used a similar propulsion method? All Scotty did was pull a few relays, surely that could of been repaired? There's all sorts of areas canon can explore with the spore drive.

Some answers here https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/81384/success-of-the-transwarp-drive-on-the-excelsior

[shockz]

9 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Given the ongoing lawsuit over the whole spore drive/tardigrade plagiarism issue, I'd be surprised if it ever is finished.

 

I'll grant you that, though in most cases the extreme speed was an exception, not a rule.  The spore drive was merely 1 example of canon violation though. There are plenty of videos on YouTube that go into detail, but the biggest problem there isn't the drive, it's the very existence of Michael Burnham.  They tried giving Spock a half-brother once, in Trek V.  That was a disaster and they quickly brushed him under a rug in the hopes people would forget.  Why the hell are they trying such stupidity again with a foster-sister?

 

What about voyager and their decades long trip vs the insane speeds of ncc-1701? Canon violation?

 

Spore drive isn't a canon violation, simply because the story isn't finished yet. And that lawsuit is going nowhere. 

 

And introducing Sybock isn't a canon violation, and neither is Michael, unless it was explicitly stated that Spock didn't have a sister in other movies/series.

 

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According to canon, transwarp was deemed not feasible as it had harmful side-effects to humanoid life.

And yet we have Voyager jumping through transwarp hub, and also tried to create their own conduit in Season 4...

 

Nothing you said is a canon violation.

Edited January 24, 2019 by shockz

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

2 hours ago, shockz said:

Canon violation?

The number of people who actually care about "canon violation" as opposed to those who enjoy watching a fun piece of episodic sci-fi with an interesting arc.

[Son_Of_Dad]

16 hours ago, Human.Online said:

those who enjoy watching a fun piece of episodic sci-fi with an interesting arc.

Well written would be better than "fun" but having an interesting arc would be great if they could manage it

[LOC Veteran]

So the 2nd episode of season 2 was quite good. Felt like, well, Star Trek. I really, really enjoyed the ending with Jacob (I think that was his name) and how they left that off (without spoiling anything of course) for now. But I swear to god, if either of the two things I think might happen with Stamets during the season actually happen, I might realistically dump the show - and I stayed with Enterprise all the way through

[George P Global Moderator]

I haven't seen episode 2 yet but I liked ep1. Was it flashy? Yes, it was the premiere, it had to be a little like that for the newer fans that like it. 

 

 

[Setnom]

This second episode was probably the most "trekky" episode of Discovery so far. Pretty good.