What religion are you?

[chino]

Originally posted by devo*****

well you belive in gravity no?

you cant see it but you know its there

from the effects

things fall down when you drop them

you believe in electricity?

you cant see it

butt again you see the effects of it

light bulbs lite up radios play music computers compute

WRONG

I can see both, through scientific instruments. Well, electricity especially is visible in many forms, even to the naked eye (an electric spark e.g)

[baphomet_irl Veteran]

Originally posted by sMk

i asume you are talking to me, since im one of the only catholic's here. SIZE]

-sMk

Im not talkin to you eheh, Im talkin about myself - I am Roman Catholic by birth...

and btw ur not one of the only Catholics here, currently Catholicism has the most votes of the religions in the poll (excluding atheist)...

[Dessimat0r]

Can anyone explain as to why God has not made his presence known if he really does exist? :D

[wog boy]

me is a Roman Catholic.

[ahodes1]

Originally posted by Dessimat0r

Can anyone explain as to why God has not made his presence known if he really does exist? :D

He does, people are just too blind to realize it at times. Open your eyes for a moment and look around you.

[Keldyn]

Originally posted by ahodes1

He does, people are just too blind to realize it at times. Open your eyes for a moment and look around you.

"What? What am i looking at? I am going to stop looking soon. Come on! What? Is that it?" - Moe Sizlak, Simpsons :p

Heh, just reminded me of it....:lick:

[aminmizar]

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THY LORD AND CHERISHER,

WHO CREATED--

CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED

BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,--

HE WHO TAUGHT ( THE USE OF ) THE PEN,--

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT."

( SURA ALAQ ) holy Quran 96:1-5

[frod]

Originally posted by Mozart

Nothing I quoted was taken out of context and you full well know it.

Religious people have been insulted a number of times on this thread by the "open-minded" atheist/agnostic/satanic crowd.

The reason these threads always end up in a flame war because intentionally provocative and insulting things are thown out, waiting to get a jolt out of somebody.

Matthew 5:11

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Buh-bye.

not taken out of context? well let's see:

one of your quotes was "i think religion is idiotic"

you failed to mention the part directly before that where i put "i think religion is great because..." and you also forgot to put th end to that sentence which was "i think religion is idiotic because...". to anyone with intelligence that is a quote taken out of context. another one of your quotes was my little saying on religion:

religion was created for those of us who are too afraid to believe in themselves.

you failed to mention the sentence directly before that which stated "i don't really fully believe this...". it also seemed you forgot to read the part where i said "this is just my opinion and i don't care whether or not you believe any of it".

to me you're just looking for attention and trying to prove to yourself that you're of whatever religion. you think that if you don't argue with the person who doesn't believe in your god that you will be considered a heathen. leave me out of your little religious world why don't you? i didn't attack it, and all you're doing is proving to me how stupid religious people can be.

ps: i only made the comparison of stupid to religious people because of mozart and people i have met in the past that steered me away from god. most religious people aren't idiots, just the ones that are are FULLY AND COMPLETELY idiotic. ;)

[forsaken]

The Bible was written by the same people who thought the earth was flat.

'Nuff said.

[frod]

Originally posted by forsaken

The Bible was written by the same people who thought the earth was flat.

'Nuff said.

it was also man's interpretation of god's words at the MOST. i think it is funny how people try to follow the bible directly when it probably contains all of the hate and idiosyncrasies of whoever happened to be writing the 'word of god' down at the time.

[ahodes1]

Originally posted by frod

it was also man's interpretation of god's words at the MOST. i think it is funny how people try to follow the bible directly when it probably contains all of the hate and idiosyncrasies of whoever happened to be writing the 'word of god' down at the time.

I'll agree with that to a point, the bible needs to be interpreted rather than read directly, take the point of what its saying and understand that since it is the truth that has been touched by man it may no longer be completely pure.

[Mozart]

"ooh goody religious debate ;).

i came up with a saying that i don't full heartedly believe but it's fun to see religious people's reactions sometimes:

religion was created for those of us who are too afraid to believe in themselves.

myself? well i'm an "i don't careist" hehe. that is i don't care how we got here and i don't care where we go when we die, all i know is that i'm not going to let anything restrict what i want to do in life whether that is another person or another god."

"It's fun to see religious people's reactions sometimes."

This statement proves my point completely that all you want to do is thow out a flame, and hope it catches fire somewhere. This is your statement, full and unedited. Did anything I quote from you have it's meaning changed? No. You just wanted to make a point that all religious people are blind, stupid idiots.

So it's idiotic people like me who steered you away from God? Have you ever read the Bible? Do you know anything about it? If you let someone like me or anyone else steer you away from knowledge, who's the real idiot?

I would appreciate it if I would be left out of any further comments. If you wish to continue to belittle and insult religion, be my guest. I'm outta' here.

"This conversation can serve no purpose, goodbye".

HAL 9000

"Let us have peace".

Ulysses S. Grant

[SOOPAH256]

none.;)

[Max]

Originally posted by ahodes1

He does, people are just too blind to realize it at times. Open your eyes for a moment and look around you.

can the same be said about a the giant ape named booboo who rules the skies? he IS there, i assure you, ppl just do not see.

[Dessimat0r]

The mighty lord Dessimat0r cares for you all.

He watches you everywhere. Even in the shower, ladies.

[DirtSampler_999]

My religion is called "Mensrum"

It is my own religion and I never have to do anything.

[devobitch]

Originally posted by silvrrwulf

First, let me begin with the statement that your point is not only one of the best researched, but one of the most well-stated, that I've seen. Still, it remains one of the fundamental reasons why I cannot accept Christianity as it is presented to me.

thanks

" All of your references come from one source. "

not true

the bible is a collections of 66 books and letters

written over a period of over 1500 years by 40 different writers

and they all agree

[devobitch]

Originally posted by Dessimat0r

Can anyone explain as to why God has not made his presence known if he really does exist? :D

Why Has God Permitted Wickedness?

WHEREVER you look in the world, there is crime, hatred and trouble. Often it is the innocent who suffer. Some people blame God. They may say: ?If there is a God, why does he permit all these terrible things to happen??

2 Yet who are doing these wicked things to others? It is people, not God. God condemns wicked acts. In fact, much of the suffering on earth would be prevented if people obeyed God?s laws. He commands us to love. He forbids murder, stealing, fornication, greed, drunkenness and other acts of wrongdoing that cause humans to suffer. (Romans 13:9; Ephesians 5:3, 18) God made Adam and Eve with a marvelous brain and body and with the ability to enjoy life to the full. He never wanted them or their children to suffer or have trouble.

3 It was Satan the Devil who started wickedness on earth. But Adam and Eve were also to blame. They were not so weak that they could not have resisted when the Devil tempted them. They could have told Satan to ?go away,? just as the perfect man Jesus later did. (Matthew 4:10) But they did not. As a result, they became imperfect. All their children, including us, have inherited that imperfection, which brought with it sickness, sorrow and death. (Romans 5:12) But why has God permitted suffering to go on?

4 A person may at first think that there could be no reason great enough for God to allow all the human suffering that has been experienced over the centuries. Yet, is it right to reach that conclusion? Have not parents who truly love their children permitted them to undergo a painful operation to correct some problem? Yes, the permission of temporary suffering has often made it possible for children to enjoy better health later on in life. What good has been done by God?s permission of wickedness?

AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO BE SETTLED

5 The rebellion against God in the garden of Eden raised an important issue or question. We need to examine it in order to understand why God has permitted wickedness. Jehovah told Adam not to eat from a certain tree in the garden. If Adam did, what would happen? God said: ?You will positively die.? (Genesis 2:17) However, Satan said exactly the opposite. He told Adam?s wife, Eve, to go ahead and eat from the forbidden tree. ?You positively will not die,? Satan said. In fact, he went on to tell Eve: ?For God knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.??Genesis 3:1-5.

6 Eve disobeyed God and ate. Why? Eve believed Satan. She selfishly thought that she would benefit by disobeying God. She reasoned that no longer would she or Adam need to answer to God. No longer would they have to submit to his laws. They could decide for themselves what is ?good? and what is ?bad.? Adam went along with Eve and also ate. Discussing man?s original sin against God, a footnote in The Jerusalem Bible says: ?It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence . . . The first sin was an attack on God?s sovereignty.? That is, it was an attack on God?s right to be man?s absolute ruler or superior.

7 So by eating the forbidden fruit, Adam and Eve withdrew themselves from under God?s rulership. They went out on their own, doing what was ?good? or ?bad? according to their own decisions. So the important issue or question raised was: Does God have the right to be the absolute ruler of humankind? In other words, is Jehovah the One to decide what is good or bad for humans? Is he the One to say what is right conduct and what is not? Or can man do a better job of governing himself? Whose way of ruling is best? Can humans, under the invisible direction of Satan, rule successfully without Jehovah?s direction? Or is God?s guidance needed in order to set up a righteous government that will bring lasting peace to the earth? All such questions were raised in this attack on God?s sovereignty, on his right to be the only and absolute ruler of humankind.

8 Of course, as soon as the rebellion happened Jehovah could have destroyed the three rebels. There was no question that he was stronger than Satan or Adam and Eve. But destroying them would not have settled matters in the best way. For example, it would not have answered the question of whether humans could successfully rule themselves without help from God. So Jehovah allowed time to settle the important issue that was raised.

SETTLING THE ISSUE

9 Now that time has passed, what has been the result? Well, what would you say? Have the past 6,000 years of history shown that humans have been successful in governing themselves without God?s guidance? Have humans provided good government for the blessing and happiness of all? Or has the record of history shown that the prophet Jeremiah?s words are correct: ?It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step???Jeremiah 10:23.

10 Throughout history all kinds of governments have been tried, but none have brought security and real happiness to all those living under their rule. Some persons may point to the signs of progress. But can a person speak of true progress when the bow and arrow have been replaced by the atomic bomb, and when the world now is in great fear of another world war? What kind of progress is it when men can walk on the moon but cannot live together in peace on the earth? What good is it for men to build homes equipped with all kinds of modern conveniences when the families who live in them are torn apart by troubles? Are riots in the streets, the destruction of property and life and the widespread lawlessness things of which to be proud? Not at all! But these are the results of humans trying to rule themselves apart from God.?Proverbs 19:3.

11 The evidence should be clear to all. Man?s efforts to govern himself independently of God have been a terrible failure. They have resulted in great human suffering. ?Man has dominated man to his injury,? the Bible explains. (Ecclesiastes 8:9) Clearly, humans need God?s guidance in governing their affairs. Just as God created man with the need to eat food and drink water, so man was made with the need to obey God?s laws. If man ignores God?s laws, he will come into difficulty, just as surely as he would suffer if he ignored his body?s need for food and water.?Proverbs 3:5, 6.

WHY SO LONG?

12 However, a person might ask, ?Why has God permitted so much time, about 6,000 years now, to settle this issue? Could it not have been settled in a satisfactory way long ago?? Not really. If God had stepped in long ago, the charge could have been made that humans were not given enough time to experiment. But as it is, humans have had plenty of time to develop a government that would satisfy the needs of all its subjects, as well as make scientific discoveries that could contribute to the prosperity of all. Over the centuries humans have tried nearly every form of government. And their progress in the field of science has been remarkable. They have harnessed the atom and traveled to the moon. But what has been the result? Has it brought a grand new system for the blessing of humankind?

13 Far from it! Instead, there is more unhappiness and trouble on earth than ever before. In fact, crime, pollution, war, family breakdown and other problems have reached such a dangerous stage that scientists believe man?s very existence is threatened. Yes, after about 6,000 years of experience in self-rule, and after reaching a peak in scientific ?progress,? humankind is now facing self-destruction! How clear it is that humans cannot successfully govern themselves apart from God! Nor can anyone now complain that God did not allow enough time to settle this issue.

14 Surely God has had good reason for permitting humans under the rule of Satan to cause the wickedness that has existed for so long. By his rebellion Satan raised another issue that it has also required time to settle. An examination of this issue will provide further help in our understanding why God has permitted wickedness. You should be especially interested in this issue because you are personally involved.

so we humans are being tested

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

Originally posted by devo*****

Why Has God Permitted Wickedness?

blah blah words words more words and yet more words

Will you please quit google searching and posting epic length replies to things?

[devobitch]

Originally posted by forsaken

The Bible was written by the same people who thought the earth was flat.

'Nuff said.

news to me

isaiah 40:22

there is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

Originally posted by devo*****

news to me

isaiah 40:22

there is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth

and what revision of the bible was this from again? they do update it every 500 years you know.

[Dazzla Veteran]

Last I heard a circle was 2D, Sphere is 3d ;)

timdorr burnt me with that a while ago when talking about the gamecube :D :D

[devobitch]

Originally posted by Wickedkitten

Will you please quit google searching and posting epic length replies to things?

i am not google searching

and i am tring to teach people about Jehovah

sometimes it takes a lot of words to make a point

[Wickedkitten Veteran]

Originally posted by devo*****

i am not google searching

and i am tring to teach people about Jehovah

sometimes it takes a lot of words to make a point

yeah but the point is that you're cutting and pasting from a webpage, why don't you just post the link to the page and kill a lot of birds with a shotgun instead of throwing large and annoying pebbles at them.

[azazel-]

A circle is not a sphere. A circle, being a two-dimensional object, would be quite flat when laid on it's side. Thank you, drive through.

And this (devo*****) reminds me of one of my favourite quotes; "I don't mind Jesus, it's his fanclub that sucks".

Quit preaching. One of the biggest gripes I have with your little religion is the fact that it's practitioners cannot accept the differences of others. Crusades? Grand Inquisition anyone? Yeah...love thy brother my ass.