Marijuana or Alcohol?

[sp0rk]

You make some good points, but one of my main points is that the statistics and such that you refer to are almost always biased one way or another. You ask cannabisculture.org or whatever site that was for statistics about this stuff, of course they'll favor marijuana. You ask the government for statistics, of course they'll favor alcohol (over marijuana, at least). You ask your pothead friend Joe, of course he'll favor marijuana. You ask some "independent" research firm, I bet they'll often favor alcohol (over marijuana) because often they get grants from the government and money is power. Sure you could link to 500 medical studies about marijuana not having any serious long term effects, but I could probably link to about 1000 studies saying otherwise and then you could find another thousand "proving" your point and we'd go back and forth forever. I just think that kind of stuff is pointless.

It's not that my feelings are irremovable ingrained into my brain. I can easily change, as long as I see good reason to. I just don't trust any of these "statistics" or stuff like that. I will admit so all reading this post can see, I would be willing to bet that alcohol, in general, will usually lead to people (not "make") doing generally more "stupid" and dangerous things than marijuana. Hell, I voted in the poll in this thread in support of marijuana.

All my previous replies as well as this one are mainly to point out that the "facts," "studies," and "statistics," that many of you are referring to are rather pointless.

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I agree with you as far as stats, and maybe I've used bad wording in my posts. I mean medical studies such as ones that outline the scientific effects on the brain, long term effects, etc. Not government studies where Marijuana use has increased 2% over the last year and the crime rate has gone up 500% so Marijuana is responsible for the 5x increase in crime. I don't think reputable science journals/websites/organizations would publish biased studies, especially in favor of Marijuana, or they'd lose any foothold they have in the field.

[Fedorpheux]

I agree with you as far as stats, and maybe I've used bad wording in my posts.  I mean medical studies such as ones that outline the scientific effects on the brain, long term effects, etc.  Not government studies where Marijuana use has increased 2% over the last year and the crime rate has gone up 500% so Marijuana is responsible for the 5x increase in crime.  I don't think reputable science journals/websites/organizations would publish biased studies, especially in favor of Marijuana, or they'd lose any foothold they have in the field.

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Well, medical studies are somewhat more trustworthy, but I still don't really trust them. I know it seems like they don't have much of any reason to produce biased results, but it's all about money. Whoever is giving them money, it matters. Even if the science journal's editor has a cousin who works at a marijuana supporting site, it is fully possible that the editor might just word something slightly differently to favor marijuana. Even if the numbers aren't changed, this kind of stuff can still be presented in a biased manner.

I guess that if I have medical questions, I usually just ask my father (who is a doctor). :whistle:

[monofonik]

How about we throw effects on your body, and how messed up you get from it out the window? It's not the government's responsibility to ensure we don't take illegal substances. If someone wants to smoke pot they're going to do it, the government has no control over that, and they shouldn't. Everything drug-wise should be legal. The only difference between prescription drugs and street drugs is street drugs are made by regular people whereas prescription drugs are made by the drug companies.

The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of lobbies in the US government from the pulp and paper industry, the pharmaceutical industry and the fuel lobby. All three could be potentially hurt by the legalization and mass production of god's green plant.

Anyone who's ever been here in Vancouver will tell you that illegalizing drugs hasn't stopped anyone from using them. There's cafes here that put out ashtrays at 4:20 for people to get high.

The government's job is to ensure the safety of the people in the most non-intrusive way possible, and keep foreign relations good. Not to tell us we can't smoke something that grew wild at one point.

[mr_demilord]

I agree with the topic starter so I voted Marijuana.

BTW its legal where I live :alien:

BTW even doctors smokes.

More people dies from alcohol and gets killed by drunken people then from Marijuana.

[Smit]

I agree with the topic starter so I voted Marijuana.

BTW its legal where I live :alien:

BTW even doctors smokes.

More people dies from alcohol and gets killed by drunken people then from Marijuana.

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Exactly.

I always hate smokers (Tobacco) who tell me not to do weed cause it's illegal. I don't see why it is illegal, it's way better then Tobacco any day.

Bad things:-

Tobacco:

- Lung Cancer

- Throat Cancer

- <insert body part here> Cancer

- Bad Breath

- Bade Teeth

- Expensive

Alcohol:

- Destroys Liver

- Posion

- Causes you to act stupid (Drink drive etc.)

I never ever smoke tobacco, I move away from others who smoke it. I smoke weed though because it's alot more healthy and it's fun. I would never be stupid enough to drive/use machines/goto work/goto college after I had just have weed.

If they legalise it and tax it (Like tobacco) wouldn't they make alot of money which could be spent on schools/hospitals etc?

Having it illegal doesn't stop people who want it. I know many people in various professions who smoke it including:

Lawyers

Barristers

Judges

Doctors

Policemen/women

Teachers

etc.

It isn't liek some stupid drug which will cause you to become some addicted homeless druggie.

[jugaaru]

Smoking weeding , getting high.

[AJCrowley Esq]

cannabis has EVERLASTING effects on the brain

Dude, I used to smoke weed all the time. Haven't, you know, like, dude, what were we talking about?

[Mystical112]

ive done both... but alcohol does it for me...

[game_over]

i didnt read the full post so i dunno what level it's on now, but heres my 2 cents...

first of all, i choose weed. i smoke it alot and when i do we're all just chilled, happy, and having a good time. i've been out and drank and has more often than not led to fighting, vometting or basically making a complete arse of yourself and others.

Thats not to say weed is perfect either, for a while it really messed up i couldnt concentrate and became very lazy i had to literally drag myself out of bed for college and when i was there i found it hard to take anything in. i'm now on the weaker stuff (resin, rock, wateva u call it...) for the reason that skunk (the bud) is too strong to smoke every night.

ive seen my family break down over it as my father was on it 24/7 and became highly paranoid and emotional, once he stopped he was a changed person, and ive seen this with my own eyes all my life, so thats FACT!

i also believe smokin weed can make u take other drugs, this is not really the effects of the weed, its just your personal self control or temptation, smoking it can open your mind a bit about what else is out there and i became tempted to try others such as coke, extacy and speed.

neither is perfect but weed is defintly the lesser of two evils.

[riojin]

the bible prohibits any polution of the body. so that takes drugs like weed right out, but alcohol is fine in moderation. it is even said to improve health when taken the proper way. raising the drinking age wont do anything but make more people anoyed. most young kids today get into drinking young simply because they arent supposed to and they fell that its something theyre missing out on. i say remove it and make their parents do some work and actually teach them proper usage.

this is a bible minded view simply because the person who started made a, what i feel to be a stupid reason why things should or should not be banned.

my personal view - do whatever you want just dont hurt yourself or others.

[randomnut]

Definatly +1 for weed. Alcohol is far more harmful than weed. Look how alcohol related deaths occur each year compared to the fact there has not been 1 single fatality related to a weed overdose in recorded medical history.

There are far too many d**ks who like to go out for a drink and start fights, being p***ed up and thinking they have something to prove. Now I know im gonna get alot of 'I drink and dont start fights' replies but just think, how many times have you been out and *seen* fights because people are beered up?

Compared to having a smoke, and all you want to do is chill out with some nice music and eat some pizza :p

Look at amsterdam. Weed is legal, but they go down alot harder for hard drgs such as E, speed or coke. They have a very sucessfull system going there.

[Orange]

Tried it but Alcohol comes first ;)

[zimm2]

Wtf is none of the above. Both just bad for you.

[Echilon]

I have to say alcohol. I really think weed is bad.

[Echilon]

I have to say alcohol. I really think weed is bad.

[Raum]

This debate isn't worth having. Most researcha nd statistics are highly biased in one way or another. Most people who have never tried it will try to argue with myths and DARE propaganda, and most people who do use it will try to make it seem like some golden wonder plant that will cure the world of its problems.

I smoke it and I know much of the negative press it receives is false, but I do know that doing nothing but sitting on your ass and getting high every night is a pretty lame way to live life IMO.

[afterlife]

alcohol u phooker!

[MGS4-SS]

The way I see it is like this:

Alcohol is OK, Weed (smoking in general) is not OK.

Why?

People can live with one kidney, but they cannot live with one lung.

[zeta_immersion]

pot all the way man, it passes after some times and no hangover (unless u mix it with other stuff) i like pot i mean ... ohooo

[Ridgeburner]

The way I see it is like this:

Alcohol is OK, Weed (smoking in general) is not OK.

Why?

People can live with one kidney, but they cannot live with one lung.

so by your logic, being an alcoholic will lead to a happier life and healthier life than being a smoker of cigarettes? :no: your logic is flawed my friend.

You'll die from liver disease by drinking way before you die from lung disease from smoking cigarettes or pot.

+1 weed, and i smoke that, ciggs and I drink just FYI

[giantsnyy]

pot...

you can control yourself when ur high unlike alcohol.

i love weed. i love alcohol.

both together make one hell of a fun combination.

oh and NO HANGOVERS!

[Raum]

The way I see it is like this:

Alcohol is OK, Weed (smoking in general) is not OK.

Why?

People can live with one kidney, but they cannot live with one lung.

Refer to my last post. There is evidence that marijuana could possibly cause lung cancer, but there are no cases I'm aware of where marijuana was the sole cause of lung cancer in a person. Most cases reported, the person also smoked ciggs. Hmm, maybe we can draw a conclusion here?

There is also evidence that reports marijuana in fact helps combat certain types of cancer.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just trying to throw in your honest opinion, but you're relying on ignorance and myths to do so, thereofore making your opinions rather useless to the discussion. This happens in ever marijuana discussion, and I'm not saying either side is better. We both throw skewed statistics at eachother and such. But the anti-marijuana side definately relies heavily on myths about the drug. Then you have idiots on the pro-side that are all about things like "d00d no hangover lolz" and stuff like that. Idiocy on both sides.

This is why despite what anyone thinks, it is ****ing obvious we need a standardized, non-biased test done ont he effects of Marijuana, for once and for all.

[Vista Lover]

it is even said to improve health when taken the proper way

That's been said for both weed and alcohol. Doctors do prescribe weed in some states you know. You don't see them prescribing beer now do you? If there wasn't something good about it medicinal wise, doctors wouldn't be prescribing it.

I used to have a drinking problem and I also used to smoke weed.

I drank soo much that I'd drink a beer and would cough blood. If I hadn't of quit I'd most likely be dead right now.

I liked weed simply because I've had back and knee problems since I was a kid and it helped with the pain. I don't like taking pills because they make you feel more screwed than weed does. At least in my case they did. I got to the ponit where I smoked soo much weed everyday that I no longer got high, but I still felt relaxed and my back and knees weren't hurting me as much as they normally would. I could go to work and do everything just as I normally would if I wasn't on weed. I wasn't like those idiotic drug ads with the teens in the car ordering food while high and accidently run over the little girl on the bike because they were high on weed and not paying attention. Those ads are useless IMO

I really don't care what anyone has to say about weed. It's a known FACT there's no recorded death by overdosing on weed. You can say all you want to, but you're wrong if you say it's happened. Plain and simple. I don't even smoke weed anymore. Haven't touched it since May 2005. But I'll say weed over alcohol any day of the week.

You can't really answer this poll unless you've tried both and I don't mean that you drink a lot but you smoked a joint back in high school only once. I'm talking about people who have tried both more than once.

[MGS4-SS]

Refer to my last post. There is evidence that marijuana could possibly cause lung cancer, but there are no cases I'm aware of where marijuana was the sole cause of lung cancer in a person. Most cases reported, the person also smoked ciggs. Hmm, maybe we can draw a conclusion here?

There is also evidence that reports marijuana in fact helps combat certain types of cancer.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just trying to throw in your honest opinion, but you're relying on ignorance and myths to do so, thereofore making your opinions rather useless to the discussion. This happens in ever marijuana discussion, and I'm not saying either side is better. We both throw skewed statistics at eachother and such. But the anti-marijuana side definately relies heavily on myths about the drug. Then you have idiots on the pro-side that are all about things like "d00d no hangover lolz" and stuff like that. Idiocy on both sides.

This is why despite what anyone thinks, it is ****ing obvious we need a standardized, non-biased test done ont he effects of Marijuana, for once and for all.

My opinion is my opinion, its based in what I think. If its just ignorance and myths to you, whatever floats your boat darling. BTW, I've got no problems with people that smoke, my friends do so and if they have a good time, great for them. I drink and I have the same amount of fun they get from smoking.

Whatever makes you happy, do it, there is no problem with me.

I wasn't like those idiotic drug ads with the teens in the car ordering food while high and accidently run over the little girl on the bike because they were high on weed and not paying attention. Those ads are useless IMO

If I remember correctly, that was a sketch in Chappelle's Show, and it was a parody ad to the smoking ads we see on TV. Don't take the Chappelle ad to seriously, it was just for a laugh ;)

[Vista Lover]

The way I see it is like this:

Alcohol is OK, Weed (smoking in general) is not OK.

Why?

People can live with one kidney, but they cannot live with one lung.

Weed has none of the crap cigarettes do that cause lung cancer. Tar, arsenic...etc. Keep in mind everything in cigarettes that casue lung cancer is added to the cigarettes.

Sorry but there's no case of anyone getting lung cancer from only smoking weed. People who have got lung cancer and smoked weed, also smoked cigarettes