Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am not tryng to pick a fight with you just trying to understand your logic. If infact being gay is wrong then would you not marry a women and have sex with a women but hating it you would still do it cause it is the right thing to do. If and when we prove being gay is wrong would you then feel good about eating mushrooms? simply put- sometimes doing the right thing hurts. not to say that he should be with a woman- (not necessarily relevant to this- just what came to mind) well- obviously i should nod off- nite all, appreciated teh discussion. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngmc33 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am not tryng to pick a fight with you just trying to understand your logic. If infact being gay is wrong then would you not marry a women and have sex with a women but hating it you would still do it cause it is the right thing to do. If and when we prove being gay is wrong would you then feel good about eating mushrooms? Who says that being gay is wrong? Christians? I'm not a Christian. Jews? I'm not jewish. Buddhists? I'm not Buddhist. In society, it seems that only one rule can really apply globally: Do unto others as you would have done unto you. Am I hurting anyone by being gay? No, I'm not. Am I causing problems? Maybe some political mayhem (which Canada saw for a while, but that hasn't been heard of since). If I were attracted to women, I would definitely persue them instead of other men. Why? It was mentioned above: why would I choose a life of descrimination and troubles? I'm no masochist. And I'm pretty sure I'll accept mushrooms as my taste buds mature, but that's where analogies fall short. PS. I'm VERY hard to offend, so please... ask any questions you've always needed answered (within acceptable and applicable context). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 simply put- sometimes doing the right thing hurts. not to say that he should be with a woman- Yes I try to take into consideration of that I really don't know how he feels he could be telling the truth. In this time its hard to tell if anyone is truthful or not I just try to let my heart speek and listen to others and what they feel inside. Even I still slip up but I am always promptly to admit when I am wrong and I seem to hold my tounge alot when I am right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngmc33 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Yes I try to take into consideration of that I really don't know how he feels he could be telling the truth. In this time its hard to tell if anyone is truthful or not ... You're right to think this. Many gays, as I've noticed, will say what they think they should say when faced with this same question. They will say it's genetic, and not a choice, because that would make their homosexuality less valid. This is why I'm quick so say that I don't think it's hereditary (I want to be as honest as possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 (edited) You're right to think this. Many gays, as I've noticed, will say what they think they should say when faced with this same question. They will say it's genetic, and not a choice, because that would make their homosexuality less valid. This is why I'm quick so say that I don't think it's hereditary. Your right.I myself am not perfect I have done bad things in my live and I still do I am a growing person and I still need alot of growing to do. And I don't think that being gay is wrong because of what the christains believe most of them and all others pick and choose what to believe from the Bible and force on others but that is a complety different and long topic all toughter and i think I may have said to much for my own good. Edited January 12, 2006 by AMDMEFX-55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_kane81 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think its sickening and immoral. Being gay serves no purpose in this world and does not belong. very small minded arent you! what gay people cant contribute to society, science, art, law, electronics...etc? If what you say is true, then by your logic (of no purpose) stephen hawkings (not that he is gay) should have been killed before he was born, not much use with such a disease that he was born with. by your logic people with disabilites (mental or otherwise) should be killed too then? I'm gay, so I obviously chose no. I'm also the only gay person in my whole family tree on either side of my parents. I also have two siblings who are both straight. I don't think it's hereditary. If it were, I wouldn't be the only one in a whole gene pool. My being gay is not a choice. I've made out with both guys and girls. There is no question about which one I prefer. It's clear. Girls do absolutely nothing for me, even when trying with a completely open (and willing) mind. I just think it's the right combination of genes and alleles. You can choose to ignore homosexuality (hence the people who marry and then "change" later in life), but you'll still always have that nagging. It's like if you hate mushrooms (as I do). I can eat them because I think it's the right thing to do, but inside, I really hate them. ^ good post, 100% agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazzyyfool Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 No. You're actually imagining this post. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt8109 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I think its sickening and immoral. Being gay serves no purpose in this world and does not belong. Speaking of sickening and immoral. Did you know that christians and the catholic church have been responsible for the torture and deaths of millions of people? Perhaps one should be ashamed of their child growing up to be Catholic?(Tongue 'n Cheek) Now I would feel ashamed if my child actually liked people like Pat Robertson...I wonder how his Liberian Gold mine is coming along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Speaking of sickening and immoral. Did you know that christians and the catholic church have been responsible for the torture and deaths of millions of people? Perhaps one should be ashamed of their child growing up to be Catholic?(Tongue 'n Cheek) Now I would feel ashamed if my child actually liked people like Pat Robertson...I wonder how his Liberian Gold mine is coming along. (damnit- i thought i was going to bed) 2 cents: - alexander the great? - pat robertson's an ****ole. most christians know this now, aerial sharon was amazing in his plight towards peaceful compromise in the middle east (plug)- and suggesting the assasination of hugo ch?vez was just plain... evil. nuff said.:whistle:: (bed now plz- agck.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 you can tell it's not hereditary. The way they behave(all girlie aka flaming) shows that they are trying to justify their lifestyle CHOICE to their natural insticts. How do people end up gay? Probably in junior high or high school they start to think about it in their mind. They're all like "am i gay" asking themselves this very question over and over until they eventually conclude that they are indeed gay. I usually tolerate gays so long as they arn't flaming around. I give them a warning to talk and behave normal. I got a guy fired at work for sexual harrasement once because he was always behaving like a little pixie around me and i gave him fair warning many times. another way you know it's not hereditary is that gay people don't often make babies. How is the gay gene passed on if it's hereditary. You're right to think this. Many gays, as I've noticed, will say what they think they should say when faced with this same question. They will say it's genetic, and not a choice, because that would make their homosexuality less valid. This is why I'm quick so say that I don't think it's hereditary (I want to be as honest as possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manson_AAN Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I voted yes for this poll for 2 reasons: 1) Because I am a Christian and I don't like the idea of homosexuality 2) To me its sickening to know that my child is gay What I would do if my child was gay? Just try and talk him out of it nothing i can really do, I'd have to respect his choice one way or another, its just a matter of how well I'll take it in and (if possible) convince him to not be gay (which would be hard). I personally do not like the idea of homosexuality, but it does not mean that i dislike/hate people who are gay. I know a couple of friends who are gay, and they are not bad people. Its the fact they are discriminated against, but I am not ashamed of them. I think it is because they are not as close to me compared to my child (if i have one when I am old enough) but if my child was gay then yes, I would be ashamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 he was saying the act of being gay serves no purpose. at least being straight allows you to reproduce. very small minded arent you! what gay people cant contribute to society, science, art, law, electronics...etc? If what you say is true, then by your logic (of no purpose) stephen hawkings (not that he is gay) should have been killed before he was born, not much use with such a disease that he was born with. by your logic people with disabilites (mental or otherwise) should be killed too then? ^ good post, 100% agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 you can tell it's not hereditary. The way they behave(all girlie aka flaming) shows that they are trying to justify their lifestyle CHOICE to their natural insticts. How do people end up gay? Probably in junior high or high school they start to think about it in their mind. They're all like "am i gay" asking themselves this very question over and over until they eventually conclude that they are indeed gay. I usually tolerate gays so long as they arn't flaming around. I give them a warning to talk and behave normal. I got a guy fired at work for sexual harrasement once because he was always behaving like a little pixie around me and i gave him fair warning many times. another way you know it's not hereditary is that gay people don't often make babies. How is the gay gene passed on if it's hereditary. omg :blink: :pinch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDMEFX-55 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Hey Dark getting tired? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Hey Dark getting tired? lol lol- past it.. getting painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 why omg? because i got a guy fired for sexually solisting me at work creating a hostile work place? Or my evaluation of why homosexuality isn't hereditary? I managed to explain the situation entirely without religion. Mostly because i'm athiest, i just believe their should be a strict social order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayzee Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 OMG! Is this thread still active!? There will always be people against and for, accept it - it is the way our world is (it would be a very dull place if everyone thought the same :D) :argue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 why omg? because i got a guy fired for sexually solisting me at work creating a hostile work place? Or my evaluation of why homosexuality isn't hereditary? hey- if he harassed u- fine, that's fair. it's just the wording- ... nvm; gnite m8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngmc33 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 you can tell it's not hereditary. The way they behave(all girlie aka flaming) shows that they are trying to justify their lifestyle CHOICE to their natural insticts. How do people end up gay? Probably in junior high or high school they start to think about it in their mind. They're all like "am i gay" asking themselves this very question over and over until they eventually conclude that they are indeed gay. I usually tolerate gays so long as they arn't flaming around. I give them a warning to talk and behave normal. I got a guy fired at work for sexual harrasement once because he was always behaving like a little pixie around me and i gave him fair warning many times. another way you know it's not hereditary is that gay people don't often make babies. How is the gay gene passed on if it's hereditary. Luckily not all homosexuals are flaming and such. I've noticed that most of us are during our first few years (I call it the immature stage), but then as we age, we grow into what we'll be for the restof our lives (the mature stage). People often accuse my straight friends of being gay, and not me. That's how straight I seem. Unless I told you, you probably wouldn't be able to guess my orientation. This is simply what I find attractive (as opposed to fairies), so that's how I live my life. Don't let a few girlie fags ruin your opinion on homosexuals. Some of us aren't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seta-san Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 the way i understand it is that before jesus all humans went to hell, the jews call it something like sheol. Jesus, also being God, from within hell took on the entire burden of sin for mankind releasing man from the manditory sentance to hell. Jesus resurrected himself as a god spent some time with his friends on earth and floated back into heaven. How did Jesus dying help us? I was never quite clear on that part of the story. I mean it sounds all well in good, "died for the sins of the world," but I'm not really sure what it's supposed to mean. Maybe I'm just too cynical. Or maybe other people aren't cynical enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_INk Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Luckily not all homosexuals are flaming and such. I've noticed that most of us are during our first few years (I call it the immature stage), but then as we age, we grow into what we'll be for the restof our lives (the mature stage). People often accuse my straight friends of being gay, and not me. That's how straight I seem. Unless I told you, you probably wouldn't be able to guess my orientation. This is simply what I find attractive (as opposed to fairies), so that's how I live my life. Don't let a few girlie fags ruin your opinion on homosexuals. Some of us aren't that bad. parallels george michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savourymonkey Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 From a purely genetic viewpoint, it is completely irrelevant, in deciding whether or not homosexuality is hereditary, the sexual orientation of members of a certain family. Genetic heredity and conditions arising from a genetic base can be the result of a specfic combination or interaction of genes (ie. the genetic codes provided by a person's mother and father.) Just because somebody's family has no gay members other than them does not lessen the argument in any way for homosexuality to have a genetic root. In terms of the use of reproduction, that would be a tacit admission from every hetrosexual person here that they have never had sexual intercourse purely for enjoyment, that every time, they had the intention of procreation. For most, I suspect, that's not the case. In the world in which we live, a sector of society who will not reproduce may be just as valuable in a global sense as that sector which will. The world is a rapidly overcrowding and over-exhausting place. A constantly expanding population is not necessarily the wonderful thing that has been suggested. Religion aside, I think most logical, free-thinking people would find it very hard to make a coherent, persuasive argument against homosexuality. For the most part, it remains simply a sexual preference, and therefore carries very little importance in social terms. For those that feel uncomfortable around a certain type of gay man, (the effeminate man) think also of the other types of people who make you feel uncomfortable, and also think if you yourself every have that effect on people. Most of the situations and things that make me feel uneasy have much more to do with my feelings than anything else. For those who base their prejudices on religion, there is clearly no getting round that. Religion is the tool that allows bigots, terrorists and idiots to form weak, hateful and hopelessly unintelligent opinions about people, countries and situations, and know that they will never have to back them up with logical debate. Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the godfather Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 and what are these moral standings and beliefs? everyone keeps hiding behind "moral standings and beliefs" but they never actually define them. its ok to just say you are a spineless iperson that does whatever the bible or "god" or your parents say but don't try to hide behind words. im not hiding behind my words, i have been made to beleive, as your parents influence you and define your character and personality to a certain extent, to like girls, to have intercourse with a woman, to have kids natural. Don't take me wrong, i have known homosexual people, and they are great friends, but it's very hard for someone to go against their teachings and beliefs, after you have for so long stood by them, hoping to pass them along to the next generation. That is why i would feel ashamed. Of course, people who say horrible comments, as posted in this thread against homosexuals is by no means nice, heck they should p*** off, but for others who have been taught and influenced in a certain manner by their siblings, parents, relatives, friends etc, you can't say they are ignorant, close minded, unaccepting, as they have formed a truthful opinion like everyone on this planet :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time. It's not hereditry, genetic it's what a person is. Homosexuality does not just apply to humans, all species show homosexual behaviour. I would estimate 20% of the species on this planet are homosexual. I would only estimate due to pressure, religion and social hate only 2-3% actually practice homosexuality and are openly homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farstrider Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 That may be the case where you live, but in the US the majority of Mman-boy abuse is done by men who are, barring the abuse, exclusively heterosexual. In other words a homosexual act! Are they then what you would term a heterosexual, homosexual pedophyl? To all the people convinced that homosexuality is a choice: Look at some gay porn, and choose to get an erection. I was kinda thinking the same thing, the only prerequisite would be that you would have to believe that you are truely hetrosexual and that this would be a test of some sort! I did vote no, but the most amusing thing here is that all the guys that say no, also phrase their reasons towards sons. Very few actually seem to accept it's possible to have a gay daughter or they probably wouldn't mind that so much I guess. I'll assume it'd just be a hit to their ego if their son, whom should be as manly as they are, wanted to have sex with men. Kinda sad really. So true, gay is a pretty broard term and covers both groups! i wouldn't disown my child for being gay, but i would do anything in my power to make him see that it's wrong homosexuality is a sin and i do not condone sin This is I suppose coming from a paragon of virtue, never "sinned" in your life and never will??? ...cause homosexuality is considered sexually immoral, just like prostitution and multiple wives and sex changes etc...... if my son was gay id be like "wtf!?! why are you gay?!?!" or somethign equal in stupidity. i dunno what i would actually do. By the way certain religions DO allow more that one wife, prostitution is the oldest profession in the book and who said that having a sex change is immoral? The bottom line is pretty simple, your kids are your kids, and you love them no matter what! I have two children and I know I will always be there for them no matter what they choose in life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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