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Thanks for the comment NightmarE D.

I wanted to make my pic just a little different than others posted.

The "Microsoft" blocks are from when I was a Technical Support Engineer at MS PSS-East in Charlotte, way back in 1993. They were given to me (and others) for customer compliments and for completing various training. I've seen TSE's with literally hundreds of them in their cubicle.

And my "little friends" are from watching MSDN webcast last year. They were very excited to see what the mailman brought today! :woot:

Also glad to see you got your gift too!

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I didnt get anything yet, Ft Myers, FL. I will be ****ed if I get scammed out of this.

I got my Vista/Office combo today and I live in Cambridge, Ohio (SE part of Ohio if you didn't know). Hopefully you'll get yours soon. :)

Well some good stories coming out of Ohio today then. I'm stuck at work so I won't know for a couple of hours but I'll be sure to let you know if I get it. I appreciate yours, and everyone else's postings on here. Roughly anybody who has been reading this thread or the one on Channel 9 can get an idea of where things stand across the nation :-)

Smart Alec... not everyone knows what their CPU is capable of...

download CPU-Z and run it, it will tell you what your CPU supports on the main page, like SSE, SSE2, SSE3, EM64T, x64, etc.... if you see a "64" you have 64 bit capability

I'm sure that he asked if it was a joke b/c he assumed that everyone signing up for the free Vista would be computer savvy enough to at least know if they have a 32 or 64 bit processor.

I'm sure that he asked if it was a joke b/c he assumed that everyone signing up for the free Vista would be computer savvy enough to at least know if they have a 32 or 64 bit processor.

That's assumeing a lot :) I know developers out there that have no clue what processor they are developing on!...... which is sad.... they just know "yea im running a pentium" without a clue what the instruction set contains for it....

LOL, i had bad luck. my disk got totaled in the rain in puyallup, WA but mate managed to save the serial and i already RTM x86 from connect beta gift. w00t first international person to have power together vista... though i'm not using it yet i still got the key and the disk got munted so saves alot of time anyway :)

That's assumeing a lot :) I know developers out there that have no clue what processor they are developing on!...... which is sad.... they just know "yea im running a pentium" without a clue what the instruction set contains for it....

I hope you're kidding. How could someone write computer software as a profession and not even know what they're developing for?

just got office came in a envelope a big Minella one with a cd key and tells you to go to a site, to download it.which is nice 2 days before my b day

Yeh I got nice bday presents this time! 3 days before my bday.. i have vista and office in my hand.. w00t! :p

I hope you're kidding. How could someone write computer software as a profession and not even know what they're developing for?

unfortunately he's right. Some of the developers out there don't really care what they use or have the slightest idea of what is in the box. I worked in a large corporation last year that provided IBM 300PL machines to developers. In case you aren't aware of the specs, it's an amazing PII450, 20GB, with 512MB of memory. Developers using those to create the core business apps... scary huh?

Also, still no Vista & Office for me in Burnsville, MN. I mailed in my W-9 a day after the emails went out for it.

Mine came today (Vista and Office) in Jackson, MS. I had mailed the W-9 a couple of days after I got the e-mail about it. What's funny is that the mail was really late getting here, so I thought I might just not have gotten any mail at all today, which would have meant another day without getting it. It's getting installed tomorrow, since I have a bunch of stuff I need to back up first.

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