Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

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that Leopard development was "wrapping up faster than many at Apple even anticipated".

Hahaha... nice ploy there Apple ;) nobody really knows what they are doing, so they can say one date that's way out, and then claim they are finishing faster than expected. This had better be good, because at this point Vista surpasses Apple. Leopard better step up the UI uniformity as well.

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IMO Vista doesn't surpass OS X at all. And the Aqua UI is still very nice, and i'd prefer it over Aero any day.

Well I voiced my little opinion so you are entitled to yours ;) But yes, under the hood at the moment Vista has OSX beat. The new technologies are more advanced. OSX is developed by a much smaller company with nowhere near the $6B that MS spends so it's not plausible to think that Apple is up to that standard. They don't have near the corporate customers either to have to offer the advanced features and technologies.

Aqua is nice, yes, but it's become inconsistent between programs and it's been around for what, 6 years? It's time for a change I think. I like the way Aero went and hopefully we will see some innovation from both fronts soon in terms of next gen UI!

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Does anyone know what Apple is doing? No, not us, only them. We only get these (kinda lame) builds. I still think we should wait and appreciate the work that we can see at this moment and then criticize after. There's stuff that we can confirm is quite final, like automator and spotlight, that we can criticize.

If they change the interface, fine. IMO Aqua still beats Aero though. Aero is just a bunch of funky effects bundled together. It's not because it's a nice special effect that it must be used, it has to be appropriate, which is the problem of Aero.

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OSX is developed by a much smaller company with nowhere near the $6B that MS spends so it's not plausible to think that Apple is up to that standard.

If you truly believe this, I've got some primo swampland to sell you. Don't worry about the alligators in the backyard . . . they're a "feature." ;-)

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Looking good, coming along nicely (and that's a small bug list for an entire OS) :yes:

But, i probably won't be getting it, my mac's getting a little long in the tooth, and can't keep up with stuff any more, it's GPU blows, so it's going to become a Linux box, and live out the rest of it's days like that.

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Looking good, coming along nicely (and that's a small bug list for an entire OS) :yes:

Compared to what? Mac OS X Tiger? If my memory serves me right Mac OS X Tiger didn't have a bug list nearly as long as Mac OS X Leopard at the same stage. Not to mention that every Mac OS X Tiger beta was pretty much feature complete. Mac OS X Leopard on the other hand is still supposed to receive a whole range of mayor features. Where on Earth is Apple going to find the time to properly beta test those if they still want to go for a 'Spring 2007' release?

I for one don't see how Mac OS X Leopard is 'coming along nicely', at least not by looking at these incomplete betas.

Only time will tell I guess. :p

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.Neo

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I see 38 known issues, Vista had 500 or so only a couple of months before RTM.

Windows Vista was a tragedy upon tragedy. I don't think you can compare it's development over the years to the development of Mac OS X.

And considering the size of the OS, and the total amount of code (and that these bugs are spread over multiple app's), it really isn't that many.

The bug list doesn't show any specifics of what's causing the problems and how much code is involved. And again, Mac OS X Leopard is nowhere near feature complete (if we have to take Apple's word for it). So for us there's no telling how the OS is actually progressing.

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The bugs that have cropped up I think are from Apple removing major components of the operating system. They are just giving developers the core API's they will need to develop applications and all the good stuff these "Top Secret" features are being held back and subsequently removed from each ADC build. After-all they are not beta testing the OS they are receiving Beta builds so they can keep their applications updated and compatible.

We shouldn't base our opinion on builds developers are receiving.

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The bugs that have cropped up I think are from Apple removing major components of the operating system. They are just giving developers the core API's they will need to develop applications and all the good stuff these "Top Secret" features are being held back and subsequently removed from each ADC build. After-all they are not beta testing the OS they are receiving Beta builds so they can keep their applications updated and compatible.

We shouldn't base our opinion on builds developers are receiving.

I agree. I believe that what we're seeing is more of a "baby Leopard" to give developers a chance to prepare their apps. I think that Leopard is going to resemble iPhone's interface quite a lot, and of course, we haven't seen those top secret features yet. Apple are hiding something from us...
The new technologies are more advanced. OSX is developed by a much smaller company with nowhere near the $6B that MS spends so it's not plausible to think that Apple is up to that standard. They don't have near the corporate customers either to have to offer the advanced features and technologies.
Does Vista have anything similar to Core Image, Core Video, Core Animation or Quartz? (That's a genuine question by the way, don't flame me).
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Well I voiced my little opinion so you are entitled to yours ;) But yes, under the hood at the moment Vista has OSX beat. The new technologies are more advanced. OSX is developed by a much smaller company with nowhere near the $6B that MS spends so it's not plausible to think that Apple is up to that standard. They don't have near the corporate customers either to have to offer the advanced features and technologies.

It's not the amount of dollars they spend on an OS. But what they spend it on.

You can spend well over 6 billion dollars and develop the worst operating system in the 21st century.

It really depends on the resource that they have, which the staff is one of the key contribution of it all.

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It looks to me as though they put a lot of effort into the new UI for Automator, which gives the impression (to me, at least) that Leopard may have a Unified appearance for most of the prior Brushed apps.

I hope I'm wrong. Though an entire new UI for Leopard would be very nice, Apple is sure sending some mixed signals that would cause one to think otherwise.

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^^no as has been stated millions of times before here on Neowin: the OS X increments such as 10.3 Panther, 10.4 Tiger, 10.5 Leopard are the same as in the Windows world XP would be to Vista....but 10.4.1 with the .1 at the end is Tiger with a service pack if you will.

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Does Vista have anything similar to Core Image, Core Video, Core Animation or Quartz? (That's a genuine question by the way, don't flame me).

Aero/WDM is pretty much the parallel. Not that well developed though, but that's expected from a first release.

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in that applications do not draw directly to screen, but instead draw to off-screen buffers that are then composited by the window manager and displayed on-screen. This allows the window manager to easily create a number of on-screen effects found in Windows Vista. These include translucent window borders...

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