One finger salute to Vista

[AMDMEFX-55]

Thanks for the BIOS notice. I'm running Vista an an HP Pavilion dv8000 Series laptop, similar in specifications to yours and had no idea about the BIOS update. Going to be updating when I feel like rebooting. Reading the fixes for the BIOS though makes me wonder because it fixes keyboard/mouse issues, when I don't seem to be having any under Vista :p.

Yea I never had the keybord or mouse problem but after I updated my bios I did notice this.

Luckily you didn't try it then ;). When I run Aero on my laptop with similar specifications on an ATi X200M, it' runs smooth until I start to do to much and then it just slows down :p. Running on the good, old, ugly classic theme :p. I'm going to update to 1 GB of RAM soon, just waiting until boxing day hoping to catch a deal. If not I'll just buy normal price :p.

I know what you mean I kinda wish I got the X2 with the Nvidia 7600 but o well I don't game on my laptop its just for Internet and Neowin. Yea you do tho need that extra 512 ram I need to get a better Hdd this 40 gb is going to run low and slow soon.

[freak_power]

After using various versions of Vista for like a last month, and doing testing of it I'm staying with Windows XP. Feature wise Vista offers nothing what would made me switch. Having Windows Defender, WMP11, IE7.0 for XP...there is no single reason to go and run Vista. WMP11, and IE7.0 are really done good. IE7.0 was more and less catching up with Firefox, and Microsoft did good job there. WMP11, always liked WMP and to me way better then iTunes or Real Audio.

Everything else in Vista is :no: :rolleyes: :wacko: ;) :blink: :angry: :p . Those are emotions i went throught during my one month testing of it.

I understand that Microsoft in order to protect Kernel and get rid of BSOD removed directSound. But, why the hell they had to bring a crap called OpenAL. OpenAL can't even touch directSound as far as audio quality...And what's funny people are getting BSOD more with Vista then with XP :blink:

Basically you will get better audio quality, and richness of sound with XP then with Vista, and it wont damn change for long time.

Microsoft is really proud of the superfetch, and boot speed of Vista. I can tell you that nothing can beat XP as far as boot time or XP X64. XP smokes out Vista in it...on every system. The worst is that after you login in Vista...omg that sidebar and other crap loads up forever. Sidebar is cool feature...but its performance sucks. One of the other features Microsoft is really pushing is Windows Search. For home user is totally useless, for corporate environment very good feature. And again it's available for Windows XP as Windows Desktop Search, which does the same.

Now, DX10.0. It's promising, but nothing spectacular... You will see no much of visual differences between DX9.0 and DX10.0 but DX10.0 will render things faster, and it's easier to program. Also in order to play certain DX9.0 games like Civilization IV, they require certain files. So you need to install DX9.0 December Update for Vista...which is really retarded. Microsoft should make it ready out of the box.

GUI in Vista is absolute joke. There is no consistency, really what were they thinking. Microsoft better put whole GUI concept to the draw table, and redesign the whole thing. I have nothing against Aero/Transparency thing. I prefer to disable it because it doesn't help out to focus on anything. Also i think classic UI in Vista is joke.

Network performance in Vista is :blink: . It's really weird and feels like it's ok with certain systems, but really slow with other. I believe it's due drivers and certain incompatibilities with routers and such.

Network center thing is ok for average Joe, i guess...but damn annoying for me. UAC thing as part of the new Windows Vista Security is annoying as hell. I guess it's good to be there, but Microsoft should add new option to UAS, and that's to provide Admin credentials so it doesn't pop up for that session anymore

[Mike Frett]

Damn! A thread not praising Vista and Microsoft?. Unbelievable. Anyway, I admire Brandon for keeping his cool :).

And think you guys should wait to bash Vista until decent drivers come out and mature. Personally, I'm waiting until SP1 to upgrade, or just move to Linux or PC-BSD.

[Mr White]

Are you realy that stuped?

Its spelled stupid..............stupid. LOL

[themaster]

I'll repeat my statement.. to me Windows Vista feels like Windows ME of the Windows 95 line.. in this case of the Windows 2000 line v4 of 2000 code it seems like microsoft may have done it once again..

I'm still testing Vista so my personal jury is out.. but I'll give you a example of a crazy error I had today.. with onboard Vista drivers I went to weather.com today and tried to watch a movie (was it RM? not sure) I have the vista codec pack installed from another thread.. anyway first time a round I could see the video playing fine.. but it went crazy within 10 seconds and Vista reported that my ATI X1300 crashed 10+ times and during this crazy period my screen colors changed.. and I couldn't always see the Tab in IE7 for closing it.. but closing it did return the computer to normal (when I got the oppurtunity.. lots of pauses)

Now I don't know about your experiences but I'm being honest here when I say of all previous windows versions.. I've never had problems with onboard drivers (umm.. yes older onboard drivers did not have 3d/gaming support) (maybe had a problem once.. can't remember) but this is a new first for me and microsofts onboard drivers (which are supposed to be done very well and throughly tested)

[HoochieMamma]

There are always teething problems with new OS's, always good to wait a few months for drivers and such to come out.

@OP

If you don't want to use Vista send that Ultimate CD-Key my way, I'll make use of it (Y)

[ShaneSparky_YYZ]

There are no games for Vista yet. All games are designed for Windows XP (or older). Setting the compatibility to "Windows XP" might help, but not with every game. I think patches which fix the compatibility issues will be available as soon as Vista is released to the public.

Yes there is, Flight Simulator X ;)

Link to MS Game site

When you install the game, the icon even goes to the games section in Vista :) I love it!

And I hate to say it, but it runs better in XP than Vista on my machine, however games shouldn't be judged in Vista yet if your using Nvidia cards as no RTM driver is out for Vista and in my case I am running a 6800GT, so we'll see once they release that :)

[ATLien_0]

I just dont get it at all, Ive been running RC2 on my tablet for 2 months now, not a single problem and even with debugging mode on it runs flawlessly twice as fast as xp did and all my games run fine even the ones from way back in that day. if i remember i saw these same complaints when xp hit rtm and now here we go again

[cswimbound]

I have an hp notebook dv4230us ...will the vista bios update work with that you think?

[mindscape]

Firstly. I am so glad I didn't have to spend money to buy this turd operating system. Sure it was a gift from Microsoft for beta testing, but its a evil nasty product.

-Applications generally don't run as quick as Windows XP.

-File copying from DVD drive to Hard Disk is speed retarded.

-Lots of my games don't work or work at what seems is 30% slower than under Windows XP.

-My wife goes to www.tvpolonia.com and Internet Explorer dies - repeatedly.

I'm not even touching Windows Vista until after SP1 is released.

I have gone out and spent lots of cash and built a Core2Duo PC with 4GB DDR2 and while Vista itself boots and runs ok - application compatibility / Internet Explorer 7 reliability and general quirks mean I'm bidding farewell to vista while giving it a one finger salute.

you sure you're using the final build?

[1Frothy]

you sure you're using the final build?

Yes I'm quite sure I was using the final build - it was from connect.microsoft.com and tagged as RTM.

Now, happily I'm back to Windows XP SP2 and I won't be touching Vista again until Vista SP1 (Y)

[ROYGBIV]

I know what you mean I kinda wish I got the X2 with the Nvidia 7600 but o well I don't game on my laptop its just for Internet and Neowin. Yea you do tho need that extra 512 ram I need to get a better Hdd this 40 gb is going to run low and slow soon.

Yeah, I do small games on the laptop. Pretty much DotA exclusive on the laptop. Oh and yeah I don't see that option under Power Options, so we'll see after the BIOS update tomorrow morning. That feature was probably locked and with the new BIOS update they unlocked it.

[Mr. Gibs]

-Applications generally don't run as quick as Windows XP.

BS...all my applications load and run faster than on Windows XP

-File copying from DVD drive to Hard Disk is speed retarded.

Agreed, this is an issue

-Lots of my games don't work or work at what seems is 30% slower than under Windows XP.

BS again, all my games run normally! Also you do know that the graphics drivers aren't really final yeh? Nvidia is not yet on final, and ATI's final is pretty crap anyways

-My wife goes to www.tvpolonia.com and Internet Explorer dies - repeatedly.

Not for me..

[Neo Collin]

Ha Ha Ha Ha

All these bitching about MS sounds familiar.... Aren't we the same people bitching about Windows XP couple of months ago.... Now suddenly XP is the best OS till date ...

This also sounds familiar to people calling for tech support ... "I installed a card I got free with my TRACTOR and I get a bluescreen... This system is a junk.. Its of no use..." I hate "<computer manufacturer>"..

I have been using Vista since RTM and have no problems .. yeah search indexing is a little annoying till it scans the entire HDD ( Yes, I have set it to scan the entire HDD) ...

Vista will be released to the public only by january end and All major applications will defenitely work on Vista by that time and most of the H/W manufacturers will have the drivers ready by then... But yeah the card you got free while buying the tractor might not work with vista.....

I'm sure all the people bitching about MS & Vista will have vista loaded on their systems the moment the drivers are available...

[AMDMEFX-55]

I have an hp notebook dv4230us ...will the vista bios update work with that you think?

Check the HP website for your laptop.

[cswimbound]

so i guess that's a no then unless you see something that i dont...all i see so far is a section for xp and 2000 software and driver updates currently.

[Brandon Live Veteran]

explorer in Vista does NOT remember window size, man...

- open up windows explorer (no need to browse... just open it with Win+E, for instance)

- resize

- close all windows explorer instances.

- open something else (not explorer) and use it for a while (do anything... open www.microsoft.com in IE or something)

- then go back to windows explorer (Win+E): back to regular size...

Win+E should always be the same size as if you clicked the "Computer" entry on the start menu.

Also, if you ever kill explorer.exe it will NOT remember things like window sizes upon restarting it. If you log off / restart / whatever it will commit its state to disk properly and will remember.

[Jock Horror]

2 words for vista -- crap sucks -- I agree with the one finger salute -- vista --> .l.

[b0m8er]

Been running vista for about 1.5 months now - and didn't have any compatibility problem with any app what so ever. Games - yes, but it''s not MS' fault - it's nvidia's and game developer's. Cause with nvidia's latets driver more games started to work, performanse is still lower than XP's but I'm sure game engines will get Vista patches and nvidia releases decent driver.

[Jock Horror]

it's true and it's hard to accept, but we all waited 5+ years for a new OS which is slower than its predecessor.

[Mr. Gibs]

2 words for vista -- crap sucks -- I agree with the one finger salute -- vista --> .l.

Your english fails...

it's true and it's hard to accept, but we all waited 5+ years for a new OS which is slower than its predecessor.

Prove that its slower please when the final drivers are released...You expect beta drivers to give the best performance ever? Maybe your logic is as bad as your english...

[:: Lyon ::]

If any of you don't like Vista and wasting your mumbling and nagging on the beta tester gift, give it to me and I'll appreciate it more than you do

[trek]

If any of you don't like Vista and wasting your mumbling and nagging on the beta tester gift, give it to me and I'll appreciate it more than you do

The RTM licenses we got are non-transferable ;)

[Chicane-UK Veteran]

I'm not exactly blown away by it. I've put it on my PC at work, but there is no way its going near any of the other desktops we have for quite some time.

I don't really see how it offers an awful lot more for enterprise customers. We need a platform to run Office and other apps that is reliable. Nothing more. XP does that perfectly. Why upgrade? Don't need advanced deployment apps (Ghost is about as much as we need) and we need to maintain interoperability with Novell Netware.

Its just a whole can of worms that I doubt anybody in business is really going to want to open for at least a year or two..

[NinjaGinger]

I think the main problem was expectations were very high, and Vista isnt what it should have been. Ive tried it and it does have some good points but not as many as it should have had as a final released version.

It still feels like a beta or being kind, RC not a final.

Yes bitching about the newest opsys is common place but more so this time I think, because expectations where very high.

Although I have a free copy (beta tester) I am pretty sure I wont use it until at least SP1. When SP1 is released it will most likely be the opsys that is should be this January release. There is a danger that more than enough peeps will have problems with the January release and it is a fact that if one user has a problem he/she will tell 10 peeps about it, if no problems, a user will tell 2 peeps.

The January release will I feel, have more peeps telling about problems rather than how good it is. This can be the main problem that SP1 will face if its to long in the pipeline and it will be to late, and another ME is born.

I will eventually upgrade to Vista as most will, even if they kick and scream all the way, its a fact no matter how unpleasant it seems now. The main difference this time for me, is that when XP came out I was impatient to put it on my PC, with Vista, I do not have that impatience and feel that waiting is the correct way to go to make it right. Maybe as XP is basically fixed and running good the expectations of Vista where to high. I cant help but feel dissapointment with Vista rather than WoW. They need to fix it quick or as the saying goes, theyll miss the boat.

Just for the record I am not a linux or Apple fan so I have tried to look at it as me, a user.