bbc [Official] Doctor Who Thread

[Matthew S.]

On 27/11/2023 at 17:26, FloatingFatMan said:

Which is exactly what I was saying. Dr Who was never a romance show, until RTD decided to shoehorn it in, to the detriment of the show IMO. 

Mind you I did kind of like the Rose aka Bad Wolf plot line.

[margrave]

I also loved Bad Wolf, and how Rose technically got a happy ever after ending.

[Guest DewThePDX]

On 27/11/2023 at 12:40, FloatingFatMan said:

*sigh* We've been through this once already.  It was educational from the start, ONLY from the start, for series 1.  They dropped that pretty much from season 2 onwards.  It has NEVER been done as a social commentary show, unless you think running away from the monster of the week reflected social issues of the day...

But I guess if you look for stuff believing it's already there, you'll find it.  In which case, EVERY TV show and movie ever made is social commentary.

That level of ignorance as a general state of being must be bliss.

Never being capable of even grasping the existence of what you don't understand.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 28/11/2023 at 18:28, DewThePDX said:

That level of ignorance as a general state of being must be bliss.

Never being capable of even grasping the existence of what you don't understand.

Or perhaps you're just seeing things that aren't there?  As I said before, you can consider ANY TV show or movie to have social commentary if that's what you want to see, but that doesn't mean the show is intended for it, which Dr Who wasn't.  

[margrave]

The only real constant in this universe is change. Nothing will ever stay the same forever.

[Guest DewThePDX]

On 28/11/2023 at 10:35, FloatingFatMan said:

Or perhaps you're just seeing things that aren't there?  As I said before, you can consider ANY TV show or movie to have social commentary if that's what you want to see, but that doesn't mean the show is intended for it, which Dr Who wasn't.  

The beautiful thing about reality?

It still exists even when you deny it. 

[margrave]

The universe is already mad. Anything else would be redundant. - Londo Mollari

[TheReaperMan]

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein

 

[FloatingFatMan]

That's it... I don't care anymore.. I'm done... 😢 

 

[Som]

On 03/12/2023 at 09:54, FloatingFatMan said:

That's it... I don't care anymore.. I'm done... 😢 

 

crap how bad was it? Personally I think they should have stopped or at least taken a break when matt smith finished up. they've done every story that can be done

[+mram Subscriber²]

Wild Blue Yonder was great!  

Wow, people sure are nitpicky!

[FloatingFatMan]

On 03/12/2023 at 10:41, Som said:

crap how bad was it? Personally I think they should have stopped or at least taken a break when matt smith finished up. they've done every story that can be done

The main story was fine, but the first 5 minutes? Nope... No more, BBC...  I can't take your BS anymore... Mess with the Dr all you want, but when you decide to change actual RL historical facts, especially a very significant one, JUST for a throwaway joke that literally meant nothing to the main story, it's too much.

[Som]

On 03/12/2023 at 11:21, FloatingFatMan said:

The main story was fine, but the first 5 minutes? Nope... No more, BBC...  I can't take your BS anymore... Mess with the Dr all you want, but when you decide to change actual RL historical facts, especially a very significant one, JUST for a throwaway joke that literally meant nothing to the main story, it's too much.

Ah it's not to be taken too seriously, just a bit of fun. The episode was alright, better than last week's 

[margrave]

This was far better than the previous one. I really liked it.

 

I don't understand the upset. What joke? mavity? They kept calling it that through the episode. I just figured it'll all come together in the end and be 'fixed'.

 

I imagine it all will have something to do with the salt.

 

 

Uh-oh

 

My arms are too big.

[Guest DewThePDX]

On 03/12/2023 at 03:21, FloatingFatMan said:

The main story was fine, but the first 5 minutes? Nope... No more, BBC...  I can't take your BS anymore... Mess with the Dr all you want, but when you decide to change actual RL historical facts, especially a very significant one, JUST for a throwaway joke that literally meant nothing to the main story, it's too much.

I realize you're a floating fat man, but not everything mavitates around you.

[Taliseian]

Personally, I think that and several other minor things that came up in Ep1 and Ep2 will all be resolved before the end.  I enjoyed both episodes so far and I'm looking forward to the remainder.

[FloatingFatMan]

On 03/12/2023 at 16:30, DewThePDX said:

I realize you're a floating fat man, but not everything mavitates around you.

Har de har har.  

[+mram Subscriber²]

On 03/12/2023 at 03:21, FloatingFatMan said:

The main story was fine, but the first 5 minutes? Nope... No more, BBC...  I can't take your BS anymore... Mess with the Dr all you want, but when you decide to change actual RL historical facts, especially a very significant one, JUST for a throwaway joke that literally meant nothing to the main story, it's too much.

"Throwaway" things have existed in Who all the time.   It is  - for Who - a quite dark episode, with that very light joke sprinkled in.  You know ... because it's a gentle reminder that this is at its heart, a kids show.  Anyone can try to define it whatever they want, but don't come in here preaching that it's somehow awful for doing that which it has always done for various empathy and emotional hits.

Doctor Who Wild Blue Yonder's Gravity Joke Explained By David Tennant & Catherine Tate (screenrant.com)
‘Mavity’ becomes instant meme after Doctor Who intro featuring Isaac Newton | indy100

I dunno, the sunflower painting for Van Gogh, also applies.  But that's ok, right?  That was the Who you accepted?  Even the xmas special for this year changed history but it just changed it to something familiar with already so it was ok -- it subverted expectation to an expected normality?  Would it have been awful if it were the plunger to the murder-death-kill arm, backward?

Also also, not everything has to be "fixed" in the same episode.

Fish custard was a 10 second bit but it came back too.  Bow ties.  Fez.  Mavity will get even more funny if it is literally ever mentioned again.

[Matthew S.]

On 03/12/2023 at 11:30, DewThePDX said:

I realize you're a floating fat man, but not everything mavitates around you.

Oh, the mavity!  (Uhh side note why is Grammarly not underlining that?)

[FloatingFatMan]

On 03/12/2023 at 21:04, mram said:

"Throwaway" things have existed in Who all the time.   It is  - for Who - a quite dark episode, with that very light joke sprinkled in.  You know ... because it's a gentle reminder that this is at its heart, a kids show.  Anyone can try to define it whatever they want, but don't come in here preaching that it's somehow awful for doing that which it has always done for various empathy and emotional hits.

Doctor Who Wild Blue Yonder's Gravity Joke Explained By David Tennant & Catherine Tate (screenrant.com)
‘Mavity’ becomes instant meme after Doctor Who intro featuring Isaac Newton | indy100

I dunno, the sunflower painting for Van Gogh, also applies.  But that's ok, right?  That was the Who you accepted?  Even the xmas special for this year changed history but it just changed it to something familiar with already so it was ok -- it subverted expectation to an expected normality?  Would it have been awful if it were the plunger to the murder-death-kill arm, backward?

Also also, not everything has to be "fixed" in the same episode.

Fish custard was a 10 second bit but it came back too.  Bow ties.  Fez.  Mavity will get even more funny if it is literally ever mentioned again.

... Y'know. I did write a long rambling post explaining why I'm annoyed, but tbh, I really can't be bothered.  If you can't see it, there's no point in explaining it. All I'll say is it has nothing to do with "mavity".

[Guest DewThePDX]

On 03/12/2023 at 14:16, FloatingFatMan said:

... Y'know. I did write a long rambling post explaining why I'm annoyed, but tbh, I really can't be bothered.  If you can't see it, there's no point in explaining it. All I'll say is it has nothing to do with "mavity".

I never expected you to be a mavity denier. We disagree on many things, but I thought we could both at least be united in our belief that mavity exists.

 

Ah, figs...

[Guest DewThePDX]

On 03/12/2023 at 09:10, Taliseian said:

Personally, I think that and several other minor things that came up in Ep1 and Ep2 will all be resolved before the end.  I enjoyed both episodes so far and I'm looking forward to the remainder.

It just occurred to me that not only was Rose making things that came from the past adventures of The Doctor and Donna a hint to her having inherited the Metacrisis...

 

...but that while imbued with the power of a Time Lord she was also a Celestial Toymaker. 

A fun little hint and easter egg pun layered in.

 

Damn it's nice to have RTD back.

[margrave]

OH I think I get it now.

 

FloatingFatMan probably doesn't like the fast scene where the Doctor agreed that Issac was hot.

 

It was so fast, and never referenced again in the episode.

[TheReaperMan]

On 04/12/2023 at 14:04, margrave said:

OH I think I get it now.

 

FloatingFatMan probably doesn't like the fast scene where the Doctor agreed that Issac was hot.

 

It was so fast, and never referenced again in the episode.

I think maybe it is in relation this very strange choice. 

I know Doctor Who isn't always historical accurate, but it feels weird to change the race of Issac Newton.

I don't think it detracts from the overall episode, instead of changing the races of white historical figures why not focus of historical figures that are not white which are often not talked about as much as they should?

[margrave]

OH!

 

I didn't even notice that. That is kinda bs.