Mac's - are they overpriced?


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I will tell you one thing Mac users fail at. It's for shopping around for the best price. Anyone who knows Dell, knows that they are notorious for their coupons. Mac fanboys have gotten used to getting ripped off on Apple products when in reality, there are better products for any equivalent Apple product. It's a price they're willing to pay to stay "trendy." If only they would stop sucking Job's dick...

Are Mac's overpriced? Diehard mac fanboi's will tell you no, but in reality, they are.

Oh, and guess what? Gateway from Bestbuy is much cheaper, and look at the specs on the Gateway... It would rape that MBP because it has a nice processor, same memory, faster hard drive, better graphics card. Most importantly, it's much cheaper, more than a $1k difference, and it's from a retail outlet, Best Buy, which if you shop around, you can probably get the same laptop for less.

I hate when Mac fanboi's compare a Dell laptop but don't use a coupon or shop around for better laptops online.

LOL @ coupons.

When I shop for a Mac, I shop around for the best priced Mac, not a cheaper PC. Please.

You just don't get it . . .

In any case, sure, let's continue to debate this. But let's leave the lowbrow stuff out. No one here is sucking anything, lol.

Some think Macs are overpriced, others don't. Fair enough. Seems we base our decisions on a variety of yardsticks by which we measure value, and sometimes, for some people, they're mutually exclusive.

Apple has their own demographic, their own market segment that keeps it healthy. And it's growing. Trendy or not, this "trend" has been going on for quite some time now, despite other offerings on the market. Make of that what you will.

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When I shop for a Mac, I shop around for the best priced Mac, not a cheaper PC. Please.

But that's because you're shopping around for a Mac :p .

As far as coupons go, I think it's a good thing for us as it does give us much more freedom in choosing what we really need. I wish Macs had coupons as well so I get it when they're offering it for a good price :laugh: !

Scirwode

But that's because you're shopping around for a Mac :p .

As far as coupons go, I think it's a good thing for us as it does give us much more freedom in choosing what we really need. I wish Macs had coupons as well so I get it when they're offering it for a good price :laugh: !

Scirwode

There are certain discounts, but I think they're limited to education.

In any case, I'll be saving some money by getting a previous gen (Feb 2008, I think) MBP.

There are certain discounts, but I think they're limited to education.

In any case, I'll be saving some money by getting a previous gen (Feb 2008, I think) MBP.

Which is why I'm frustrated with Apple as in Malaysia they do not offer this sort of thing when I was studying :cry: . Now that I am working, what with bills to pay and expenses for travelling and all, it's too much for me just to buy an entry level MacBook. Besides, Apple service here is really bad as my father's Mac Mini took ages to repair and they were really rude when they were dealing with us.

Right now, I'm saving up to get a dv5t, as that is the one notebook that I find very complete, with a good graphic card, a wide range of ports, e-SATA/USB combo port, an ExpressCard 54 and a higher resolution screen. I just wish Apple would put all of those into the new MacBook Pro instead of trying for too much for a minimalistic design. It only has a Express Card 34 slot for goodness sake! HP service here in Malaysia is top notch as when they found I had a problem with previous notebook, they replaced it with a better model so I have no complaints from them.

That said, I do like how Apple is going ahead in developing Environmentally friendly products, but I would have thought using recyclable products would have made it much cheaper instead of the current price. Or maybe they're just being greedy and trying to justify the cost of research that went into the new production method by passing it on to the consumers? Because until the consumers question what Apple is doing right now, they have the upper hand.

Scirwode

Mac OS X is absolutely not a perfect UNIX OS. No OS will ever be perfect, and even Unix has its flaws by design.

I will say this, though... I was considering for the past few months switching back to the PC platform. But then, I found myself running on the Mac platform full-time again, and now I'm back, so to say. In other words, there was too much that I missed on the Mac platform for me to leave it. That's not to say the PC alternatives are bad, they are not bad at all. It's just that again, it's a personal preference. After using Windows for years, I switched to Mac OS X and liked what I saw, at least for a year. Then I tried switching between both equally for the past six months or so but now I'm back full time to using the Mac.

What did you miss?

It'd be nice if people who simply say that they're overpriced at least justify or explain why they think so..

They are overpriced because they charge more for the same hardware you can get for a Windows PC. That makes them a poor value in my book. I'm not paying twice as much for my hardware just so I can run OSX on it. They use the same hardware I bought, same brands.... Intel, Nvidia, etc... The artifical 'closed loop' business model just doesn't do it for me. If you like Macs and you want to pay what they're charging for them that's fine with me...

To be honest, I don't think either side is going to "win" this debate...

Look at the figures, make up your own mind about it. I know that I'll still carry on buying apple products, because they are genuinely easier to use, last longer, and, basically, just work (sorry for the clich?:pp).

Regarding comparing Dell's but not using coupons, most Mac users also know how to find great deals on Macs, whether it's paying attention to the Apple Refurb Store, Amazon rebates, specials at MacMall or things you can find on DealMac or even eBay. I got my current iMac, new in the box, on eBay and saved $400. It's not like Mac folks have to pay full price while Dell and others give these awesome discounts. I could get a 24" iMac on Apple.com right now for $1299. That's $500 off the regular price.

At dell.com I just customized an XPS M1330:

2.0 Ghz Core2Duo (only 800mhz FSB, but close enough)

3GB shared DDR2 667mhz

Vista Home Premium

LED Backlit Display + Webcam

CD/DVD burner

NVidia 8400M GS

Wireless N card

Bluetooth 2.0 EDR

+ the battery option that was required when selecting the NVidia card.

The price? $1,298.

Some Macs may be overpriced (The Mini is for sure), but the Macbook seems to be right on target.

I guess you guys can continue to nitpick about the $1 Apple Tax though :rolleyes:

Yes macs are overpriced, but they are beautiful, especially the Macbook Pro not so much the iMac. OSX also looks awesome on the Macbook Pro and so does Vista. Also, for some weird reason, the screen on the macs makes it easier for me to read.. like its more crisp and clear. However, I am a price oriented guy who would prefer less money and more power instead of design and looks.

And I hate when self important tech smart-asses think that joe sixpack is going to be out Googling and searching online for discount vouchers when he comes to buy himself a new computer. It's only geeks like us that know about vouchers, discount codes, etc. People like my parents would just turn up at a store and buy something of face value as that's just how their generation works. So we're in the minority and don't represent the majority.
Yet again, you Mac people fail at the internet. Jesus christ, do you people not know there are sites which deals are posted so that you don't have to hunt down coupons? There are sites like slickdeals, fatwallet, etc? You have a browser called Safari, and google, it takes literally less than 5 seconds to find a good deal on a PC. As the economy gets worse and worse, people are trying to get the best out of their money. Sites like Slickdeals, fatwallet and others are getting an increase in traffic, and this includes the average consumer. The point is you can have the PC for less, and that's ultimately the bottom line. If someone just walks into a retail outlet like bestbuy and buys a computer, it's their fault for not doing price shopping.
Ugh - OSX vs Windows (and PS3 vs Xbox) are just worse than politics. Who'd have through people could have such strongly differing opinions on even the smallest things.
:laugh:
If someone just walks into a retail outlet like bestbuy and buys a computer, it's their fault for not doing price shopping.

My aunt bought a very expensive Dell once, but she never complained. I don't see how it's her fault for liking her computer?

At dell.com I just customized an XPS M1330:

2.0 Ghz Core2Duo (only 800mhz FSB, but close enough)

3GB shared DDR2 667mhz

Vista Home Premium

LED Backlit Display + Webcam

CD/DVD burner

NVidia 8400M GS

Wireless N card

Bluetooth 2.0 EDR

+ the battery option that was required when selecting the NVidia card.

The price? $1,298.

Some Macs may be overpriced (The Mini is for sure), but the Macbook seems to be right on target.

I guess you guys can continue to nitpick about the $1 Apple Tax though :rolleyes:

You forgot to add Vista Ultimate :)

total: $1438

Yet again, you Mac people fail at the internet. Jesus christ, do you people not know there are sites which deals are posted so that you don't have to hunt down coupons?

Um - I was not referring to myself, nor was I referring to Mac people in general. As I said, I was referring to Joe Schmoe (or to be all current, Joe the Plumber) who just comes in off the street looking for a computer. I know about voucher sites FFS. I'm not some techie newbie - I work in I.T. for christs sake. I was trying to put the discussion in the context of the MAJORITY of people who buy computers - not the nerds.

I'm exceptionally suprised that Apple has not even cared about the economic crisis the United States (as well as the rest of the world) by dropping prices. I say this because most people today are looking for the cheapest products. What are they going to choose? A $1K(+) Macbook or a $800(-) Windows Vista-based computer?

That's really the only dilemma with Apple at the moment. If it weren't for the economic crisis, their computers would be priced about right.

^^IMO.

I'm exceptionally suprised that Apple has not even cared about the economic crisis the United States (as well as the rest of the world) by dropping prices. I say this because most people today are looking for the cheapest products. What are they going to choose? A $1K(+) Macbook or a $800(-) Windows Vista-based computer?

That's really the only dilemma with Apple at the moment. If it weren't for the economic crisis, their computers would be priced about right.

^^IMO.

Well, that's why they kept the last-gen Macbook for $999. I think that really should have been about $799 or even less though.

They might not be overpriced in the US, but damn they are here in the UK. ?949($1,641) for the new macbook? Likewise with the macbook pro @ ?1299($2246)

The imac's are the same. ?799($1381) for the cheapest 20inch model, ?1,149($1987) for the cheapest 24inch model.

Don't get me wrong, the machines are lovely but it's a lot to pay for what is really just the design and macosx.

Well, that's why they kept the last-gen Macbook for $999. I think that really should have been about $799 or even less though.

I completely agree with you on that. It's clear that Apple new that the new Macbook was going to be expensive and out of the reach from alot of the market they are going after, so they kept the older model for a reasonable price. Your not going get a Apple quality product for $599, but I still don't think $999 is the right price tag for that notebook.

If Apple did not keep the white plastic model the consumer would have no choice if they wanted a Apple laptop. With the $999 notebook there is an option for someone who wants a Mac but isn't willing to pay the premium $1299 just to get their foot in the door of Apple.

If Apple had priced it around $749 or even $799 the 'new' plastic model would sell like hot-cakes. :)

people need to SHUT THE HELL UP comparing hardware prices now and argue about price differences, there is no point in that, its totally clear hardware wise Mac is priced Higher for same hardware when it comes to PC. so STOP TALKING ABOUT HARDWARE.

go read http://gizmodo.com/5065133/the-truth-about-the-apple-tax if you want more interesting titbits . its as if gizmodo was reading this thread and put up a article.

Where is it "CLEAR"? I give you that some Apple hardware is somewhat overpriced, but as I showed with my feature for feature comparison some products are spot on with their Dell/HP/X Brand equivalents. I've seen some of Gizmodo's comparisons, and they often conveniently forget to check off options like LED displays. The current Macbooks seem to be pretty well priced, but I think that they do overcharge mostly for the 'Pro' items. These days a quad core desktop with a full size graphics card shouldn't be priced much more than $1000.

For me Mac's are over priced because what I do with a computer Windows suits me fine. I like to mess with hardware and the OS and I also game, so if I used OS X it would actually cause me to lose some of the things I do on my PC (mainly gaming) and I will never understand this so called "Apple experience" being a Windows user all my live. For the price I paid for my Windows computer I never could have got an equal Mac. Really to me it all comes down to what you like, if you like Mac then you wont consider them expensive for what you get and if you don't like them then you probably think they are expensive.

In the article/blog, the author's "evidence" is prefaced by the following:

It's what you really get for what you pay.

Actually, it isn't. It's what you get materially , purely in terms of parts and physical features.

Which tells only half the story.

Like many, he just doesn't get it either.

EDIT ---------

Just noticed this:

http://gizmodo.com/5063492/macbook-and-mac...pro-dual-review

All in all a very positive review, from the same site. Oh well, I guess not everyone is into toeing the line around there. ;)

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F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
    • I used to use Google assistant, not on the phone i have now, but about 7 years ago, then I decided it did not really do anything for me. Because i had Echo units over the house I added Alexa to the phone to control stuff and that is how it is now. Not the new Alexa+, as that is not really available in the U.K yet apart from on new units and to be honest, not interested in it. I went though the stage years ago of using voice to do text and call people, quicker to do it using my hands. I had a muck about with Siri on my Mac when I first got it, but not having a microphone permanently plugged in makes it a pain. I know it can be used by text. Siri like Apple AI is disabled on my Mac and will stay disabled.
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