For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith


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Way to go Boz! Go and get The MAN

:rolleyes:

You can be sarcastic as much as you want but supporting a company who does stuff like below is mind boggling:

In regards to pricing content for iPad for example and new Sports Illustrated magazine. If you ever wondered why magazines are so expensive for iPad or why you can't subscribe to magazines on a monthly level, now you know. Apple wants you to overpay each issue so they make more money and they will actually reject apps and magazines who want to offer it.

Let's address that price first: while free to download, the app will cost you $4.99 to buy an issue of the digital magazine. That's $4.99 each week. There is no subscription rate for the iPad, and current print subscribers don't get any special deal. The lack of a subscription option doesn't sound like it's Time's fault--Apple reportedly rejected the Sports Illustrated app because it originally offered users the ability to subscribe rather than buy each issue each week. Still, as it stands, a year of SI on the iPad will cost you more than $250; you can subscribe to the print edition for about $40. Ouch.

So Steve Jobs wants to control everything. WORLD DOMINATION :) He is one evil f**ker.

He never forgot how Bill Gates kicked his ass and he is doing everything in his power to make sure has total control so he can be in charge of the new wave of technology. It's a scary thought, not to mention completely horrific for consumers even though they absolutely have no clue or don't want to know about what's going on. But once people get it, it's too late.

As for above, this is what I am talking about.. Once he has a marketshare and gets you hooked into his ecosystem and you pay a bunch of money ($5 per piece of content), you will be stuck to that platform because you can't take that content anywhere with you but on his hardware.

The worst thing that can happen in technology. Being stuck with one company, one man telling you what to do and being forced to buy same hardware. When one company has that much influence, we have seen so far, that they have no intention of inventing anymore but just taking it easy and ripping people off.

If Apple is very clear with their strategy where they give you half featured products so they can charge you 3 times by adding individual features with every revision of hardware, they will get even worse if they hold a large market-share and get a controlling position.

So Steve Jobs wants to control everything. WORLD DOMINATION :) He is one evil f**ker.

No he is jus a good business man who wants to increase the market share for his company, just as Steve Ballmer, or Eric Schmidt, they all are doing as much as they can to acquire more customers and sell more of their products...

You seem a bit confused my friend, but if you are to be frank and boycott corporations like Apple, than you wouldn't be typing here or using any PCs whatsoever, nor wearing the shoes on your feet...

I did not check the validity of your quote there about the magazine subscription, but even if it's true, you still have a choice of not buying it... So I am not sure what your problem with this is?.... If you think is too expensive, dont buy it.... Easy , isn't it?

Here's the perfect example the kind of religious zealots Apple Followers are known for.

So you are generalizing for everyone that purchases Apple's product to be a nut-job? Or is your logic saying that since some people that buy Apple products are morons, than Apple company must be evil......

Sorry I am not trying to be smart ass but rather understand your reasoning.

So you are generalizing for everyone that purchases Apple's product to be a nut-job? Or is your logic saying that since some people that buy Apple products are morons, than Apple company must be evil......

Sorry I am not trying to be smart ass but rather understand your reasoning.

Read the article in the first post. My comment was an affirmation of the article's main points.

Here's the perfect example the kind of religious zealots Apple Followers are known for.

I like when Mac users start explaining the technical aspects of processors ..LOL!!! and they as usual start throwing around words and specs that Apple gives them and then say how that's the best there is because it's in Apple machines..

Christ.

Here's the perfect example the kind of religious zealots Apple Followers are known for.

*shudder* that gentleman needs to go to accent softening classes - not only the content but the twang makes him painful to listen to.

I like when Mac users start explaining the technical aspects of processors ..LOL!!! and they as usual start throwing around words and specs that Apple gives them and then say how that's the best there is because it's in Apple machines..

Christ.

I just love the emphasis he puts on the core i3, like its some great creation that is unparalleled. Now if this was a low end laptop, I can understand the use of an i3 for power saving. But when the difference between a core i3 and a core i5 is like a mere $50 (newegg pricing, obviously OEMs pay a lot less) and this is a multimedia computer we're talking about...it's pretty subpar, and overpriced at $1,699.

His accent and stupidity are also annoying as hell, I mean did he really just justify paying $30 for a battery charger because it has some "apple magic?" And then goes on to say it gives it a "high longterm charge?" I want to see some actual test done on that, and not some Apple test (since they once again proved with the antenna tests that they're full of ****).

I like when Mac users start explaining the technical aspects of processors ..LOL!!! and they as usual start throwing around words and specs that Apple gives them and then say how that's the best there is because it's in Apple machines..

Christ.

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wonder if the fruity loops notice that Apple's 13 Macbook Pro (Pro Lol) has 2/3 year Old C2D architecture thats matched by current i series CULV processor. I guess in 6 months or a year Apple's 13 MBP will be a nice $1200 netbook :laugh:

I like when Mac users start explaining the technical aspects of processors ..LOL!!! and they as usual start throwing around words and specs that Apple gives them and then say how that's the best there is because it's in Apple machines..

Christ.

Because all Mac users don't know anything about computers, right?

You seem a bit confused my friend, but if you are to be frank and boycott corporations like Apple, than you wouldn't be typing here or using any PCs whatsoever, nor wearing the shoes on your feet...

You on crack?

Why wouldn't he use computers? Have you not heard of Linux?

Shoes? WTF? :rofl:

Because all Mac users don't know anything about computers, right?

When you pay extortionate hardware prices for a piece of software, the belief can only be reinforced.

Because all Mac users don't know anything about computers, right?

For the most part yeah.. totally..

And you know what.. because the whole attitude of Mac users in general is that they don't want to deal with anything but have machines just work right?

You can't say all users do this or that as I'm sure there are Mac users (like myself) who know quite a bit about technology, hardware, building computers and stuff, but in majority of Mac users are completely clueless about hardware.

As someone already pointed out, that's why they can be persuaded that Apple's hardware is somehow better than PCs out there and pay quite a bit more for it, even though they use exact same parts and in Apple's case, most of their computers are already obsolete as they come out because Apple can't keep up PC industry cycles.

The only way you can have consumers like that is if they prefer style over substance. And most of them do and don't really care about what's in the computer. Which makes it even more hilarious when they start spouting nonsense and technical mambo jambo they overheard from Apple conference or some of their friends.

For the most part yeah.. totally..

And you know what.. because the whole attitude of Mac users in general is that they don't want to deal with anything but have machines just work right?

You can't say all users do this or that as I'm sure there are Mac users (like myself) who know quite a bit about technology, hardware, building computers and stuff, but in majority of Mac users are completely clueless about hardware.

As someone already pointed out, that's why they can be persuaded that Apple's hardware is somehow better than PCs out there even though they use exact same parts and in Apple's case, most of their computers are already obsolete as they come out because Apple can't keep up PC industry cycles.

We can talk randomness all you want.

I buy Apple products for home because yes it just works, because at work I need to deal with Windows and its randomness all day long, I don't want to come home and deal with the same BS, I just want to do on the net read emails not deal with random virus's and malware (I know BSD can still get malware but there really isn't as much or as easy to get).

I know about hardware but why should I think about that when I come home? Plus to be honest the Apple laptops have been built awesomely, I have owned many other laptops and worked with many as well and the plastic feel and after awhile seem very worn out, like the only plastic macbooks as well, which I didn't like.

SSH and the command line tools are already within the OS or easy to install and just need to be enabled and I know I could install a linux OS or SSH on Windowsbut I really CBF dealing with that at home.

I would rather spend the time I have away from work not worrying about hardware, the OS and whatever else.

Personally I don't like Windows at all, I'll deal with using it if need be, eg work, but would rather use Linux or Mac OS X but that doesn't mean I don't know about hardware.

Odd how I've not gotten a virus or malware in the past decade. I read emails, I visit websites, I download stuff etc Maybe I'm just lucky

Maybe but my family and friends always got virus's and stuff until they got a Macbook, since then I haven't had to touch their computers at all....... All I know is I'm happy with not dealing with their computer problems.

For the most part yeah.. totally..

And you know what.. because the whole attitude of Mac users in general is that they don't want to deal with anything but have machines just work right?

You can't say all users do this or that as I'm sure there are Mac users (like myself) who know quite a bit about technology, hardware, building computers and stuff, but in majority of Mac users are completely clueless about hardware.

As someone already pointed out, that's why they can be persuaded that Apple's hardware is somehow better than PCs out there and pay quite a bit more for it, even though they use exact same parts and in Apple's case, most of their computers are already obsolete as they come out because Apple can't keep up PC industry cycles.

The only way you can have consumers like that is if they prefer style over substance. And most of them do and don't really care about what's in the computer. Which makes it even more hilarious when they start spouting nonsense and technical mambo jambo they overheard from Apple conference or some of their friends.

Meh, the same thing can be said about the majority of PC users as well - all they want is a machine that works and all the details being handled by the family computer geek.

Maybe but my family and friends always got virus's and stuff until they got a Macbook, since then I haven't had to touch their computers at all....... All I know is I'm happy with not dealing with their computer problems.

Sounds like they have a terminal case of PEBKAC.

You are either incredibly lucky or a liar.

No offense, but that claim just comes off sounding amazingly ignorant.

Staying malware-free isn't exactly rocket science. Pretty much everything my dad knows is how to power on his laptop, click on the blue 'e', and click his bookmarks. And even he's remained malware-free for more than two years without any intervention on my part, after I set up some basic stuff for him like a standard user account, DEP, and a decent free antivirus (MSE).

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