For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith


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And it wasn't known to me, was first time iv seen it that I remember

All you need to know is that Mephistopheles and swuzzlebum were happy. Until he cheated on her with OS/2 (last post on that thread).

I find it amusing that no one has even brought up Free Software into this discussion. Maybe because it's a proper philosophy! trollface.png

I bought maybe 50 songs before the store went DRM free, so I paid a whopping $15 bucks to upgrade to 256kbit, DRM-free music. I didn't have to, but why not?

Also, it was a much better deal than completely losing the things you bought.

You shouldn't have paid anything to Apple.. it was a pure ripoff tactic and they could have done it because unlike you tons of people had thousands of songs bought through iTunes with DRM.. So charging them to take it off just so they can use it on other devices was plain ripoff.

You're right there, but it's also more restrictive for my purposes. For instance, I only have one device that can play Amazon VOD: my computer. I can't even get Amazon VOD content on my Xbox because it requires having Windows Media Player on your desktop to stream it. Meanwhile, I have three devices that can play an iTunes rental or download (I do mostly rentals and just download the free TV show pilots :p): my computer, my iPhone, and my iPad.

I don't know what you are really talking about.. I watch all my Amazon content on Xboxs, PS3s, Panasonic TV and my mobile devices without any problems.. I don't need WIndows Media Player. I am not sure what that even means.

What's the point in having a more "open" solution if I have less devices that support it and have no plans to buy a device that does support it?

There you go.. Apple till you die.. no way anyone can come out with anything better.. you will always be using Apple products.. that's what the article is talking about and the view you express..

It's not minority that belongs to Apple cult.. it's almost all of them.. like you for example.. it's just that mostly everyone has issues admitting they are "those type of users".. Nobody wants to be viewed as a loon. Your posts in every negative thread about Apple show that.. You are one of the people mentioned in the article. I'm sorry to say.

You see.. the difference between me and you is that I can't stand the company that's so greedy, so fascist like and I can't stand Steve Jobs for being an egoistical and lying scumbag. I do use Apple products. THere are many things right and many things wrong with it and there is almost everything wrong with the way Apple handles business (towards me as a consumer), but you won't see me dissing something that's a good piece of hardware from Apple.. just the fact that they are lying sacks of crap.. There is no reason for them not to open up a bit and still make great hardware.. but they won't.. because they are the greediest, the most evil company in our recent history. Microsoft and Intel are small kids for Apple.

Talk about revisionist. Amazon MP3 opened in September 2007, 5 months after Apple had already sealed EMI as a DRM-free partner and 7 months after your most hated man in the world wrote his Thoughts on Music letter. A few months later (around Jan 2008), however, Amazon did get agreements with more major labels before Apple (Apple wouldn't go completely DRM free until Jan 2009 mostly due to CEO bickering; Apple wanted to keep prices down, record labels wanted to hike them up), but saying Apple didn't go DRM-free because Amazon was "kicking its ass" is flat-out wrong.

Again.. you drink the Apple kool-aid.. what almighty Steve Jobs says that has to be true and what they really want.. he can't be saying things that are really excuses for Apple to keep making money. He's a lying sack of crap and nobody in this world should trust him.. They have proven over and over again that they have no interest in helping consumers get any flexibility.. The company is an embodiment of closed platforms and holding consumers hostage.

And yes, Amazon kicked their ass for almost 2 years.. what happened and what deals they might have had or not is completely irrelevant.. I was buying music DRM free while Apple crap was all DRMed.. and at the end.. I had to pay hundreds of dollars to Apple to get DRM free licenses for the music I already bought.

They can go screw themselves..

PlayOn isn't sanctioned by any of those content providers at all (and frankly, if Hulu and others could block it without blocking all computers, I'm sure they would). It basically just plays the content from those sites on your comptuer and transcodes it so your UPnP device can watch it.

That's THE WHOLE FREAKING POINT!!!.. You can use and create code that will stream from your computer to any devices via UPnP or DNLA and they can't really stop you because it's OPEN..

If we were to live in Apple world (thank God we don't), you would have to pay for each one of these services, then buy only hardware from Apple and use their software.. I mean all of your money would have to go to Apple without a single choice.

You shouldn't have paid anything to Apple.. it was a pure ripoff tactic and they could have done it because unlike you tons of people had thousands of songs bought through iTunes with DRM.. So charging them to take it off just so they can use it on other devices was plain ripoff.

So it wasn't Apple's idea to put DRM on the songs in the first place, and Apple doesn't make much off of the sales of songs anyway, but Apple has to pay the bandwidth costs to take it off and upgrade you to 256kbit AAC? I would love it if Apple soaked those costs, but I also understand that I live in the real world. By the way, Amazon doesn't let you re-download songs and movies either.

I don't know what you are really talking about.. I watch all my Amazon content on Xboxs, PS3s, Panasonic TV and my mobile devices without any problems.. I don't need WIndows Media Player. I am not sure what that even means.

Amazon VOD on Xbox 360 has to go through Windows Media Player, which means you have to have a Windows PC on and connected to your network that has the media. There's no native Xbox 360 app, or at least that's what the Xbox 360 VOD page on Amazon's website leads me to believe.

There you go.. Apple till you die.. no way anyone can come out with anything better.. you will always be using Apple products.. that's what the article is talking about and the view you express..

It's not minority that belongs to Apple cult.. it's almost all of them.. like you for example.. it's just that mostly everyone has issues admitting they are "those type of users".. Nobody wants to be viewed as a loon. Your posts in every negative thread about Apple show that.. You are one of the people mentioned in the article. I'm sorry to say.

No, not Apple 'till I die. Apple while they make the best products to suit my needs.

FYI, I don't buy movies and TV shows from the iTunes Store (well, I don't buy either of those at all anyway, in any format) because they have DRM and I can access almost all of that content on Hulu anyway. I do rent from iTunes because it's not exactly expensive and it's easy.

You see.. the difference between me and you is that I can't stand the company that's so greedy, so fascist like and I can't stand Steve Jobs for being an egoistical and lying scumbag. I do use Apple products. THere are many things right and many things wrong with it and there is almost everything wrong with the way Apple handles business (towards me as a consumer), but you won't see me dissing something that's a good piece of hardware from Apple.. just the fact that they are lying sacks of crap.. There is no reason for them not to open up a bit and still make great hardware.. but they won't.. because they are the greediest, the most evil company in our recent history. Microsoft and Intel are small kids for Apple.

Stop buying from Apple and using Apple products. It might help you with your rage.

Again.. you drink the Apple kool-aid.. what almighty Steve Jobs says that has to be true and what they really want.. he can't be saying things that are really excuses for Apple to keep making money. He's a lying sack of crap and nobody in this world should trust him.. They have proven over and over again that they have no interest in helping consumers get any flexibility.. The company is an embodiment of closed platforms and holding consumers hostage.

So no facts to refute my claims, but I'm drinking the kool-aid? It's a conspiracy, man!

And yes, Amazon kicked their ass for almost 2 years.. what happened and what deals they might have had or not is completely irrelevant.. I was buying music DRM free while Apple crap was all DRMed.. and at the end.. I had to pay hundreds of dollars to Apple to get DRM free licenses for the music I already bought.

Where the hell are your numbers? In terms of digital downloads, iTunes has been a front-runner for a long time. Hell, iTunes is now the leading distributor of music period.

They can go screw themselves..

:laugh:

That's THE WHOLE FREAKING POINT!!!.. You can use and create code that will stream from your computer to any devices via UPnP or DNLA and they can't really stop you because it's OPEN..

Great! I don't care if you circumvent intended use cases. Hell, I'm sure I do the same all the time. I'm just saying that giving PlayOn as an example is ridiculous. None of the vendors want that to happen, but they have no control over it. Why would Apple or any other company create and advertise what probably violates quite a few ToS agreements? Even Google wouldn't be that crazy. I think the only reason PlayOn has lived on this long is because very few people really know about it.

So it wasn't Apple's idea to put DRM on the songs in the first place, and Apple doesn't make much off of the sales of songs anyway, but Apple has to pay the bandwidth costs to take it off and upgrade you to 256kbit AAC? I would love it if Apple soaked those costs, but I also understand that I live in the real world. By the way, Amazon doesn't let you re-download songs and movies either.

Listen.. you live in the la la land.. you keep drinking the kool-aid and believe that Apple really wants DRM free world..it's just that those damn providers all force them to DRM it.. yet other providers (at least in music) didn't have that problem 2 years prior to Apple "liberating" our libraries by taking additional money from us.. the encoding rate is NOTHING.. it doesn't cost them anything.. it's something they could have given you for free because whether it's 192kbit or 256 is very little difference. It's an excuse to charge money.

And Apple is the embodiment of DRM.. everything they do is closed, protected and actually most of the stuff they make goes beyond standards.. just because they want to appear they are ahead of everyone and they can't stand competition.

Read this.. a very nice article from Ars Technica.

http://arstechnica.c...er-lock-ins.ars

and another nice article

http://arstechnica.c...e-aint-dead.ars

Apple is rotten to the core.. there is no two ways about it. They are the greediest and most controlling crooks in technology world.

I find it amusing that no one has even brought up Free Software into this discussion. Maybe because it's a proper philosophy! trollface.png

Meh, free software isn't really free, especially from a business standpoint, MS It you can find dime a dozen, OSX IT or *nix IT not so much and pay for it in salary. But on the same token, I prefer free software like OpenOffice over MS Office

So it wasn't Apple's idea to put DRM on the songs in the first place, and Apple doesn't make much off of the sales of songs anyway, but Apple has to pay the bandwidth costs to take it off and upgrade you to 256kbit AAC? I would love it if Apple soaked those costs, but I also understand that I live in the real world.

Really? $570 million isn't much to you?

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2008/03/how_much_profit.php

Another estimate was made last year

by PacificCrest analyst Andy Hargreaves. He estimated per-song revenue at $0.69, network fees at $0.05, operating expenses at $0.05 and credit card fees at $0.10. That comes out to a 10% operating margin. On music sales of $1.9 billion, that gives us an operating margin of $190 million.

Artists have been complaining about the profit margins for years.

Listen.. you live in the la la land.. you keep drinking the kool-aid and believe that Apple really wants DRM free world..it's just that those damn providers all force them to DRM it.. yet other providers (at least in music) didn't have that problem 2 years prior to Apple "liberating" our libraries by taking additional money from us.. the encoding rate is NOTHING.. it doesn't cost them anything.. it's something they could have given you for free because whether it's 192kbit or 256 is very little difference. It's an excuse to charge money.

What other providers? Maybe it's the Apple haze clouding my brain, but I don't remember many legal alternatives to get mainstream DRM-free music before iTunes went DRM-free and the Amazon MP3 store opened. As for going DRM-free, why exactly do you feel entitled to get the new higher quality, DRM-free songs for free? I don't know of any other service that would've offered a similar perk. Hell, I don't know of any other service that would've only charged less than a 1/3rd of the cost of the original song to upgrade it. I didn't see Microsoft going "Hey guys, we're shutting down our PlaysForSure licensing servers. We're going to unlock all your music for you." No, I actually saw "Hey guys, we're shutting down PlaysForSure, so if you need to authorize those closed down WMA's past a certain date, you're screwed." Same happened when Sony shut down Sony Connect and the same thing happened when Yahoo shut down its music service. At least Apple's DRM'ed tracks can still be authorized and used. You were never forced to upgrade and you never lost the ability to use them.

And Apple is the embodiment of DRM.. everything they do is closed, protected and actually most of the stuff they make goes beyond standards.. just because they want to appear they are ahead of everyone and they can't stand competition.

Read this.. a very nice article from Ars Technica.

http://arstechnica.c...er-lock-ins.ars

and another nice article

http://arstechnica.c...e-aint-dead.ars

Apple is rotten to the core.. there is no two ways about it. They are the greediest and most controlling crooks in technology world.

Quite a few of the attributed forms of DRM (except for the iPod/iPhone lock-in to iTunes) are pretty universal to the industry. For instance, HDMI is used by a lot of vendors instead of DisplayPort because they need HDCP. Apple wanted to use DisplayPort, but needed to keep its media partners happy (it's a company, after all), so they baked HDCP into it. It's not used for anything except DRM'd HD iTunes content (again, video content is pretty much universally DRM'd anyway). Phone locking and anti-jailbreaking measures are nothing new and are an unfortunate measure that comes from doing business with telecom giants. Just ask Motorola, HTC, and others.

As for locking Mac OS X down to Apple hardware, it's is in their best interest as a hardware company. If they didn't lock it down, they'd have to, one, completely shift their business strategy to become a software business and, two, charge way more for OS X and bake in some sort of Genuine OS X licensing scheme just like everybody has known to love in the Windows world. It's not like they exactly lock it down tight either. In fact, Snow Leopard has probably been the easiest version of OS X to crack since it went x86 compatible.

To this day, though, I still don't agree with their decision to require authentication chips in their iDevice peripherals. It didn't really affect me (I'm not a big TV Out guy), but I do feel for the people that bought peripherals that didn't have the authentication chips and expected them to work on their new devices.

Really? $570 million isn't much to you?

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2008/03/how_much_profit.php

Artists have been complaining about the profit margins for years.

Those are complete guesses. We don't have conclusive numbers because Apple lumps iTunes Store sales figures into a broader category, but they continue to insist that they make just above break-even. http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20100225/apple-billions-of-songs-billions-of-apps-not-much-profit/. They could be hiding something, but we all know how much Apple likes to gloat if they have a success on their hands, so probably not.

So let me get this correct, because i have an iPad, MBP, and iPods I'm a fanatic or cult of Mac

Yes. And so am I because I own a Mac Pro, LED Cinema Display and iPod touch. You want to get together and plan the destruction of the world and annihilation of the human race? Maybe Elliott would like to join us as well. I bet I can persuade my mom as well as she uses an eMac together with some friends.

I'll be sure to get a bottle Prosecco and a couple of beers if you guys bring something over to snack. I'm free next Wednesday!

I dunno about actually calling it a religion. If you did, there are a lot of other things you could call religions.

Like when Glenn Beck came on tour to my college campus and people lined up for a full day before the doors opened.

Or when a new Twilight movie comes out.

Or a new Star Wars movie back in the day.

People on this forum take this Mac vs PC thing way to seriously.

People on this forum take themselves way to seriously. It's funny how most PC users around here have more issues with Apple, than Apple users have with PCs. Looks to me like the whole For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith subject is the other way around on Neowin. :laugh:

People on this forum take themselves way to seriously. It's funny how most PC users around here have more issues with Apple, than Apple users have with PCs. Looks to me like the whole For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith subject is the other way around on Neowin. :laugh:

I use both I've mentioned this on here previously I have a MacBook Pro and I have a self-build PC that I run Windows 7 on. Personally like you say I ain't got a problem with Windows. Windows has a huge software library and the latest version (7) runs brilliantly for me. I like both the operating systems for different reasons.

The idea that Apple users are somehow iSheep is in my opinion quite a flawed and generalised statement. I get the same enjoyment in opening a new Apple product as I do opening new PC hardware or trying out the newest version of Windows. It's no different to me. And I see people on Windows centric forums like this one which do the same. On this very forum you can have topics with over 1000 posts discussing the latest Microsoft operating system while its still in closed beta following PDC or PAX or whatever event just the same as how the Mac users huddle around WWDC topics.

PC and Mac users are no different really.

People on this forum take themselves way to seriously. It's funny how most PC users around here have more issues with Apple, than Apple users have with PCs. Looks to me like the whole For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith subject is the other way around on Neowin. :laugh:

A bit telling how Apple users are so quick to go on the offensive at PCs and Microsoft over a news article in the BPN forum (read: a perfectly normal occurrence) that, in fact, makes no mention whatsoever of their imagined enemies, don't you think?

Gee, we already have a scientific study to prove it, you guys don't really need to go out of your way to show what's already been proven, you know.

A bit telling how Apple users are so quick to go on the offensive at PCs and Microsoft over a news article in the BPN forum (read: a perfectly normal occurrence) that, in fact, makes no mention whatsoever of their imagined enemies, don't you think?

Gee, we already have a scientific study to prove it, you guys don't really need to go out of your way to show what's already been proven, you know.

It goes both ways, you know... But for your sake lets pretend that isn't the case. ;)

Guys, if you look at +Elliott posts history, all of them are defending Apple .... so no use arguing with him ...

And Boz has a history of continuously attacking Apple. Like I said, it goes both ways.

Its just a company that makes products. The whole "iPhone reception" and "iPad can't access the web" issues is exaggerated into a world of FUD. People tend to be fans of devices they like to use. Apple make devices people like to use. Apple didn't invent such a notion, just capitalized on it.

It's not a religion actually.. it's like the worst cult that brainwashes you and does everything to make money off you while in return promising everlasting something and telling you you are sooo much better, cooler than others because you use their products/belong to their cult.

while i agree that apple fanboys are slow they arent the worst. They are willing to pay for thier product. Tell a linux fanboy he has to pay even $1 for his distro.

while i agree that apple fanboys are slow they arent the worst. They are willing to pay for thier product. Tell a linux fanboy he has to pay even $1 for his distro.

Fail. He pays. He donates for the distro to be developed further. Or pays for the dvd/cd version, instead of the free download, just to support the maker. Do some research.

About this Apple thing. I'm not saying that Apple products are crap, I even use Snow Leo (on PC) for some apps that are exclusive to this OS (like Logic Studio). But Apple has a long history of misleading marketing and commercials, design over functionality, etc. I really don't understand those fanboys that hate you just because you notice a bug or flaw in some Apple product. It's quite stupid to pretend that your device/OS/whatever "just works", when there are websites like macfixitforums.com. And yes, I can say this, compared to Microsoft, Apple is nothing, in many ways. Yes, they may have some things that got very popular, but keep in mind that Windows (and other MS apps) are for 90%+ people of this world. It's impossible to have a bug-free OS, or something that "just works" in this case, because it can't be tested in all scenarios. Apple knows this, and, knowing they're a minority, they turned this into a marketing campaign. But even so, their products are far from perfect. And, to be honest, I'll have a MS product any day instead of an Apple product.

You can say whatever you want, but Apple fanboys are really fanatics. Not all of them, but most of them. They would buy even a can of **** if Jobs would say it will prevent cancer. This is a serious psychical issue.

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I added a couple of MP44Q M.2 PCIe 4.0 SSDs (2 x 4TB) that can be availed on Amazon for $478.99 (the lowest price for 3 months) that TEAMGROUP supplied us with Then we have the almost completed build, you just need to push the card into the PCIe slot. Unfortunately, IceWhale Technologies did not provide a screw for the PCIe card frame (this is also apparent in their own video). Here it is at several different angles, with the last pic showing the SATA Y-Cable connected to the two WD Red Plus 4TB drives. Setup and Usage Next, you connect your cables to the I/O, and the ZimaBoard 2 powers on automatically, as there is no power button on the device. Power is controlled through the Settings in ZimaOS. 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Post Setup (ZimaOS update) Upon first boot, you are alerted that there is a ZimaOS update from 1.5.0 to 1.6.1, which I applied; the full process is shown above with the changelog. ZimaBoard 2 Storage Setup Next, it is time to set up the storage. ZimaOS actually throws everything onto the eMMC flash drive; it is also the default location of AppData, which is definitely something to be wary about, as the 45GB available storage could fill up quickly. HDDs I first attempted to create a Storage Pool using the two 4TB WD Red Plus NAS drives, and got an error message: After several attempts and then looking online, I discovered it was a bug with ZimaOS where the fix was simply to reboot ZimaOS and then try again, this time I was able to create a RAID mirror using the two drives. SSDs I did the same for the SSDs, as you will see in the above gallery, when I created the second Storage Pool, it only allowed me to select available drives. ZimaBoard 2 AppData ZimaOS comes with an App Store that includes a repository of almost 400 apps, so you will be able to find most of what you'll need for a NAS (although after a quick search, I wasn't able to find a Surveillance Manager), and now comes the important part: moving the default AppData location off the 45GB eMMC and onto a larger volume: Open Settings Then Apps Then, in the Select a new location field, click on the new Storage volume you want to move it to (in my case, the Apps Storage Pool), which is the SSD RAID mirror. Confirm the Migration warning Be praised! You can also do this for Docker (which by default installs onto the 45GB eMMC flash drive) and the User database. Plex Setup Next, I tested the configuration by installing the Plex Server app from the App Store. The library folders must already exist (which I placed into the Storage Pool). Plex Server setup is straightforward and requires very little configuration. In my case, all I had to do was add the media path I just created, which you can also browse to using the folder icon in the path field. In addition, you can now map the new Media library in Windows Explorer using the Zima Client. Oddly enough, it is not possible to access the ZimaBoard 2 over the Network Neighborhood; you must map drives using the client, which is shown in the last image in the above gallery. I watched one of my Blu-Ray rips, which is Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos, and the content played fine with no stuttering or buffering, which is what anyone needs in this scenario. ZimaBoard 2 Zima Client mobile app There's also a client for mobile. It is pretty barebones, as shown in the above gallery, for example, the Apps screen launches the WebUI for that app, and the Backup must be done manually. On opening Backup, you can select internal storage folders on your phone to backup to the ZimaBoard 2's storage, and although this is constantly scanned, the backup action itself must be manually triggered. There is an option to allow foreground backup (last image in the above gallery), but this basically means the queued backup gets triggered when you manually open the app. Benchmarking SATA PCIe 3.0 X4 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 2.5 GbE was well within acceptable ranges. Writes were generally better on the SSD RAID mirror. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 2.5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 2.5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. Thermals Top PCIe card SATA HDDs Next, I measured some hotspots while playing content on Plex. It's fair to say this will perform better than a NAS that is enclosed in a metal or plastic case, as almost everything storage-wise is exposed! Anyway, the ZimaBoard 2 did not break a sweat with Plex streaming or disk benchmarks. ZimaOS Factory Reset ZimaOS does not include a factory reset option. Instead, you have to download the ZimaOS image and flash it to the eMMC manually. The flashing process is shown in the above gallery. The steps to do so are listed below: Download the ZimaOS image here; Open BalenaEtcher (Run as Administrator) and select the image; Select your inserted USB drive (min 8 GB) Flash to it; Connect your USB drive, monitor, keyboard, USB hub (optional), mouse (optional), and network cable (recommended) to the ZimaBoard 2; Connect power and press F11 continuously; Select your USB drive starting with UEFI in the boot device menu; Press Enter on the Install ZimaOS option; Select /dev/mmcblk0 (MMC) flash drive as target; Confirm with (three times) to wipe the target disk; Wait a couple of minutes while ZimaOS installs; Remove the USB drive and confirm with a reboot; Your ZimaBoard 2 has been factory reset. However, you don't have to stick with ZimaOS, in fact the company also offers official CasaOS images, that are based on Debian; or as they say themselves, put anything you want on this "hackable single board server" it's up to you. Conclusion I had a lot of fun putting this together. I've custom-built all my own PCs and servers since the 90s, and this is the first time I have had to put a NAS together. Even if the actual base ZimaBoard 2 was already a completed build, it still feels pretty custom. I just wish that IceWhale Technology included a getting-started guide in the box for the Start Kit, which would have really completed this kit. Instead, I had to search for the official video on the YouTube channel to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. So who is this for? Definitely the hobbyist who is comfortable building their own PC and servers. It also has a much smaller footprint than its nearest equivalent (in terms of specs), like the Beelink Me Pro, which is another NAS I will be testing soon. Although the Beelink does not come with the PCIe 3.0 X4 expansion, the ZimaBoard 2 Starter Kit suddenly looks to be a great bargain, even if it only offers the two 3.5-inch bays over the four in the other example. It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N150 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the ZimaBoard 2 is intended for, media streaming and backup. It also looks like the IceWhale Technology staff are quite active in the official forums helping people with issues they come across with ZimaOS and the devices, peer support seems to be good as well, I was quickly able to find why I was not able to create a new Storage Pool in ZimaOS v1.6.1 even though that is quite a serious bug, hopefully it will be fixed in the next update. If you are comfortable with the command line and Docker, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. This was my first time with ZimaOS. It seems a bit barebones in comparison to the likes of Synology DSM, TOS, and UGOS, but it has a ton of apps to get you started with your home or small business NAS. Where to buy As of publishing, IceWhale Technology is running a discount of up to 5% for the Starter Kit. If you opt to get just the ZimaBoard 2 itself, it does come with a SATA Y-Cable, so you will be able to connect up to two 3.5-inch HDDs to it. ZimaBoard 2 1668 Starter Kit for $534.50 on Amazon US (was $548.60) ZimaBoard 2 832 Starter Kit for $372.88 on Amazon US (was $390.60) Zimaboard 2 1668 (16GB+64GB) for $419.90 on Amazon US Zimaboard 2 832 (8GB+32GB) for $359.90 on Amazon Disclosure: IceWhale Technology provided a free sample without any editorial input or review pre-approval. Good to know The Amazon link is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. 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    • It's in the Insider's group so yes it's technically beta, though these days it's hard to see much of a difference unless you opt for the most extreme beta builds, which I don't. When I moved here from the Release Preview channel I did so primarily because I wanted to see how well the restored taskbar functionality (restored from Win10, and earlier) is working and whether it was time to finally abandon SAB--and it is--working fine, so far. Not as polished as SAB, but it'll do for me.
    • I've been using MWB Premium for a number of years so that along with Windows updates and updated browser should be fine. Thanks for that.
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