For Apple Followers, It's a Matter of Faith

[bobbba]

The thing is ok for Apple lock other out but I bet if Microsoft do... people bitching ANTITRUST! and the EU going to have a field trip with it.

Take a look at the Browsers Ballot screen, apparent it's not ok for MS to bundle IE in Windows but it's ok for Apple to bundle Safari in Mac OSX and they practically locked down iPhone with Safari.

Apple doesn't have a monopoly so if even if they suddenly decided to actually force people to use Safari on Mac's it couldn't be an abuse of one. IE was bundled for free and later built in to an OS when MS an effective monopoly on desktop OS's and when the competition were dependant on being able to sell their browser. Safari was released as a application that can be deleted/removed while even now IE can at best only be disabled (and you could not originally do that until later versions of IE).

As for the iPhone, it's a smart phone not a computer so it's not exactly the same and there's Opera for the iPhone anyway.

[+virtorio MVC]

I like their laptops. Their desktops are OK. I don't like their mobile devices

The amount of times I've been called a Mac fanboy (or worse) simply because I own a MacBook Pro is getting tiring. There are some nuts for sure, but I doubt the majority of Mac users are like this.

[Boz]

It's a simple fact. Mac users go nuts when you say anything bad about Apple and Macs because they've paid a premium for their products and are desperately seeking justification for that spent money. So if you say, "Hey, you know, that Apple stuff is the same or even worse in some things than PCs or Android or whatever" which is in fact true in plenty of cases, you will get most Mac users foaming because they in fact believe they have bought a superior computer/devices if it comes from Apple and by telling them that device has flaws seriously bugs them because they have to be better than others, that's why they paid money, that's why it looks nice..and they go into frenzy..

I mean look at it.. Apple as a company is riding on that perception.. They make ads that mock everyone, they insult everyone who doesn't use Apple products and they actually lie about pretty much anything etc.. it's no wonder Apple fans are the same.

That's the short of it. It's in fact simple psychology, nothing else.

Their defense usually comes back as "Oh, Windows users are also fanatics etc" and now they are saying "Android users are fanatics" which is really total nonsense.. I have not seen any user that talks about Windows and Microsoft products constantly like Apple cult followers do.. The only discussion/defending about Windows comes when Apple fanatics start reciting Apple and Jobs' talking points that have absolutely no connection with reality and are completely idiotic again stemming back to the fact that you have to defend your purchase and truly BELIEVE that what you paid 3 times more than a PC is so much better that it was worth it and you weren't suckered into it.

And btw, unlike Apple fans, most "normal" people see that companies are not awesome always.. Microsoft can be evil, they did some bad things.. so we criticize it harshly. Normal people don't defend bad things because they need justification for their spent money. Others make really bad things.. Nobody is innocent in corporate world, but only with Apple fans.. Apple is really always right, they are never wrong, they have done nothing wrong ever, there's always some justification for every bad and greedy thing they do. It's really hilarious as much as it is sad.

The point behind users defending Windows or Android is because they do more.. they give really people, developers and others, choice. It's a better approach for everyone because we are not dependent on one company making hardware and software and living by their rules.. we have software companies, we have hardware companies, we have multiple choices for every taste. Something that with Apple fanatics is totally unacceptable. If you don't think Apple stuff is the bestest in the world you are an idiot.

I can't name how many times Apple cult fanatics have told me how no PC case or PC this or that looks as nice as Apple stuff.. They are completely nuts and so self-serving and truly BELIEVE that Apple stuff they own is the best and everyone else who says otherwise is so wrong and uncool and really a PC or Android fanboy.

Now you can definitely draw some lines here with religion. The same goes for religious folks. They believe that their own religion is the RIGHT one, so much they will into war for it and kill people for it etc.. It's actually very similar to the Cult of Apple.

And for those who ask.. why is everyone so up Apple's ass about antenna, about any issue that Apple hardware has.. It's very simple.. THEY BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES. When you insult everyone else and constantly harp about how you are the best, magical, fantastic, revolutionary and nobody else thought of it etc, you will get your ass ripped apart with every small issue. And they deserve it.

[Vice]

It's a simple fact. Mac users go nuts when you say anything bad about Apple and Macs because they've paid a premium for their products and are desperately seeking justification for that spent money. So if you say, "Hey, you know, that Apple stuff is the same or even worse in some things than PCs or Android or whatever" which is in fact true in plenty of cases, you will get most Mac users foaming because they in fact believe they have bought a superior computer/devices if it comes from Apple and by telling them that device has flaws seriously bugs them because they have to be better than others, that's why they paid money, that's why it looks nice..and they go into frenzy..

I mean look at it.. Apple as a company is riding on that perception.. They make ads that mock everyone, they insult everyone who doesn't use Apple products etc.. it's no wonder Apple fans are the same.

That's the short of it. It's in fact simple psychology, nothing else.

Their defense usually comes back as "Oh, Windows users are also fanatics etc" and now they are saying "Android users are fanatics" which is really total nonsense.. I have not seen any user that talks about Windows and Microsoft products constantly like Apple cult followers do.. The only discussion about Windows comes when Apple fanatics start reciting Apple and Jobs' talking points that have absolutely no connection with reality and are completely idiotic.

The point behind users defending Windows or Android is because they do more.. they give really people, developers and others, choice.

I can't name how many times Apple retards have told me how no PC case or PC this or that looks as nice as Apple stuff.. They are completely nuts.

I think you really need to calm down :laugh:

[Boz]

I think you really need to calm down :laugh:

Yep :) hahah..

I gotta go play some Battlefield

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

It's a simple fact. Mac users go nuts when you say anything bad about Apple and Macs because they've paid a premium for their products and are desperately seeking justification for that spent money. So if you say, "Hey, you know, that Apple stuff is the same or even worse in some things than PCs or Android or whatever" which is in fact true in plenty of cases, you will get most Mac users foaming because they in fact believe they have bought a superior computer/devices if it comes from Apple and by telling them that device has flaws seriously bugs them because they have to be better than others, that's why they paid money, that's why it looks nice..and they go into frenzy..

<snipped>

And for those who ask.. why is everyone so up Apple's ass about antenna, about any issue that Apple hardware has.. It's very simple.. THEY BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES. When you insult everyone else and constantly harp about how you are the best, magical, fantastic, revolutionary and nobody else thought of it etc, you will get your ass ripped apart with every small issue. And they deserve it.

Wow... Just wow... I don't even know where to begin!

[Wanderermy]

Sounds reasonable to me, as it's not called an iTouch. It winds me up to no end, and I don't even have one.

Q.E.D.

[Chasethebase Veteran]

Hm, I dot usually contribute to debates because I fail at making decent points and generally I sound stupid. But here's my point.

Apple's products are great, good quality and look good. The thing I dislike is the company and how they have this attitude about them when speaking to the press. It just makes me sick.

I suppose that even though with this attitude they can get away with what they say as such they keep doing it.

[Minion Rebel]

It's a simple fact. Mac users go nuts when you say anything bad about Apple and Macs because they've paid a premium for their products and are desperately seeking justification for that spent money. So if you say, "Hey, you know, that Apple stuff is the same or even worse in some things than PCs or Android or whatever" which is in fact true in plenty of cases, you will get most Mac users foaming because they in fact believe they have bought a superior computer/devices if it comes from Apple and by telling them that device has flaws seriously bugs them because they have to be better than others, that's why they paid money, that's why it looks nice..and they go into frenzy..

I mean look at it.. Apple as a company is riding on that perception.. They make ads that mock everyone, they insult everyone who doesn't use Apple products and they actually lie about pretty much anything etc.. it's no wonder Apple fans are the same.

That's the short of it. It's in fact simple psychology, nothing else.

Their defense usually comes back as "Oh, Windows users are also fanatics etc" and now they are saying "Android users are fanatics" which is really total nonsense.. I have not seen any user that talks about Windows and Microsoft products constantly like Apple cult followers do.. The only discussion/defending about Windows comes when Apple fanatics start reciting Apple and Jobs' talking points that have absolutely no connection with reality and are completely idiotic again stemming back to the fact that you have to defend your purchase and truly BELIEVE that what you paid 3 times more than a PC is so much better that it was worth it and you weren't suckered into it.

And btw, unlike Apple fans, most "normal" people see that companies are not awesome always.. Microsoft can be evil, they did some bad things.. so we criticize it harshly. Normal people don't defend bad things because they need justification for their spent money. Others make really bad things.. Nobody is innocent in corporate world, but only with Apple fans.. Apple is really always right, they are never wrong, they have done nothing wrong ever, there's always some justification for every bad and greedy thing they do. It's really hilarious as much as it is sad.

The point behind users defending Windows or Android is because they do more.. they give really people, developers and others, choice. It's a better approach for everyone because we are not dependent on one company making hardware and software and living by their rules.. we have software companies, we have hardware companies, we have multiple choices for every taste. Something that with Apple fanatics is totally unacceptable. If you don't think Apple stuff is the bestest in the world you are an idiot.

I can't name how many times Apple cult fanatics have told me how no PC case or PC this or that looks as nice as Apple stuff.. They are completely nuts and so self-serving and truly BELIEVE that Apple stuff they own is the best and everyone else who says otherwise is so wrong and uncool and really a PC or Android fanboy.

Now you can definitely draw some lines here with religion. The same goes for religious folks. They believe that their own religion is the RIGHT one, so much they will into war for it and kill people for it etc.. It's actually very similar to the Cult of Apple.

And for those who ask.. why is everyone so up Apple's ass about antenna, about any issue that Apple hardware has.. It's very simple.. THEY BROUGHT IT ON THEMSELVES. When you insult everyone else and constantly harp about how you are the best, magical, fantastic, revolutionary and nobody else thought of it etc, you will get your ass ripped apart with every small issue. And they deserve it.

A perfect example of "How the minions use reversed labels to trample the Apple uprising" as I illustrated on the previous page. I did not expect however such a display of self confession and jumping out of the closet. I guess I owe you a big thank you for giving us all a perfect example for the illustration?

[guru]

in other news, sky is blue

[Nick H. Supervisor]

:blink:

Wow, you guys really had a lot to get off your chests, didn't you? :laugh:

Here's my take on it: There are nutters in the World. These people can't be reasoned with. Some of them enjoy anything that is made by Apple, some of them enjoy anything that is made with maple syrup. Some nutters enjoy turning on other nutters and pointing out that they're morons, when ultimately - since nutters cannot be reasoned with - nothing is going to change, and the nutters that enjoy pointing out other nutters are just going to come away more angry than before. And what has it achieved? Nothing. The nutters are still going to buy anything that Apple sells, and the other nutters are going to get more angry about this.

The next question is, "Why get angry?" Is their choice in blindly following a company without any consideration for other options in some way harming you? Of course it's not, but being a nutter that can't be reasoned with, you will continue to bash people for their own nutterish tendencies. Here's the other thing: you nutters that enjoy bashing the nutters for their choices actively seem to seek the nutters out. How hard is it to look at a thread, identify that there are nutters in it and, rather than get in to a fight that neither side will win, decide to close the tab? Or hey, if there is something of merit that you want to respond to then do so, but ignore the nutters and their useless comments.

As for my take on Apple products, I own an iPod Touch and a Macbook Pro. I got the Macbook Pro because I fancied a change, and I got the iPod Touch because it was a birthday present. I'm happy with each of them, but would I buy a Macbook Pro in the future? Maybe if I had the cash to splash out on, but I think my next purchase will be a gaming laptop. Basically, the point of this paragraph is just an attempt to show that not everyone that owns Mac products are morons blindly lapping up anything Steve Jobs sends in to his stores...

[Solid Knight]

I fail to understand why people get so enamored with their products. It's just a computer. It's the same boring crap everyone else has. It's just a phone. Everyone has one. It's just a portable music player. It plays music. OMG CREAM IN MY PANTS VERSION 29 JUST GOT RELEASED AND NOW IT'S 0.001mm THINNER!

[TheElite]

Basically, the point of this paragraph is just an attempt to show that not everyone that owns Mac products are morons blindly lapping up anything Steve Jobs sends in to his stores...

No offense, but I think that you're a nutter for thinking that this needed to be pointed out.

This is coming from a person that hates Apple's and Job's arrogance and owns an iTouch (yeah, I said it) for the last three years.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

No offense, but I think that you're a nutter for thinking that this needed to be pointed out.

Eh, better to be safe than sorry. I bet if I hadn't written that down then someone would have jumped on it and said something along the lines of being a fanboy. Either way, I'm not fussed :laugh:

[LaP]

All fanboys are the same.

Apple fanboys

MS fanboys

Nintendo fanboys.

nVidia fanboys

They are all the same.

[SaltLife]

Well here is my take on the matter.

Blind Defending:

I do see a lot of people defending a product that they havepurchased, but not because of blind faith, but because they don?t or didn?thave the issue reported by the masses. This causes the person to be critical of the reports and forum poststhat they see and here. Those whodo have problems, obviously voice their opinions. Is it wrong for them to notagree with the masses, maybe, but as others said it?s human nature to justifyregardless of reasoning and they shouldn?t be considered an idiot because ofthis.

A Must Have Product:

Why do Apple users seem to always stand in line all nightlong to pick up the latest phone? Seriously, this question gets asked? It?s considered the hottest deviceon the market (in most consumers opinion, certainly not mine). You will alwayshave your users who want an upgrade, those who are attempting to make a quickbuck by re-selling it on ebay and those who just have to have the latest intechnology. This behavior has beengoing on forever. Take when Halo 2came out(first thing that came to mind, with all the people standing outsidewaiting for it). And what aboutany gaming system for that matter? Granted the turn-a-round time is longer inbetween sales, but it is the same principle. Especially when a company owns thesoftware and hardware, it makes the release more appealing.

Apple, A Closed System:

Apple is a closed system, but because they want to controlthe experience (and financial gain, like any company). This also adds to theexcitement of those who want a new device (as previously stated). I see their policies no different fromthat of Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo. The only difference between them in regards to a closed system is thatyou cannot install OSX on non-EFI (well, non-apple) hardware. Would I like to see better support forthird parties from Apple, sure who wouldn?t. But the idea behind Apple is everything just works. Well, it just works because you buy allof their components, so it damn well better. If you compare Apple devices to the Playstation you can seethe similarities in their business model. Each has their own proprietary operating system, own proprietarycomponents, their own proprietary peripherals and a controller app store. Actually, this is the same businessmodel as Xbox. Yes, are the twofundamentally different, of course one is a personal computer while the otheris a gaming machine. However, it?sabout their business model and keeping a closed gap on hardware and softwaresales while controlling the overall expierence.

Cost:

Why this always comes up is beyond me. Yes, Apple products tend to costmore. Sometimes significantly morefor a seemingly similar product. I honestly have no problem with peoplecomplaining about this, but really keep it to yourselves. The consumer knewwhat they wanted or knew of alternate options. It was their decision. I personally would never purchase a PC,not because I don?t like them, but because I would rather build it myself.

I have purchased an Apple product, the mac mini almost ayear ago. The hardware was sufficientfor what I needed, and so was the size/form factor. Could I have purchased andbuilt my own, sure but now I have a warranty, sleek design and a new experience(as I wanted a unix like shell, and Microsoft office support).

Conclusion:

There are end users out there that blindly purchase aproduct because of a name, but I certainly don?t consider it cult like, nor doI think every mac user is an isheep. It really is no different than someone who only buys GM cars. You havethese types of consumers for every product and that will never end. Perhapsthis stereotype is more predominant because it has been a rivalry in the techcommunity since their very existence. Would I only buy Apple products, no. Will I make a purchase to ensure compatibility andsuitability, yes.

[.Neo]

A perfect example of "How the minions use reversed labels to trample the Apple uprising" as I illustrated on the previous page. I did not expect however such a display of self confession and jumping out of the closet. I guess I owe you a big thank you for giving us all a perfect example for the illustration?

Boz - a Mac owner himself - is turning his obsessive and irrational hate against Apple into a faith of its own, trying to spread the word around on the Neowin forums. Looking at his rants it probably won't be long before something really pops and we'll see a suicide attack on a local Apple Store. :laugh:

[TheElite]

Boz - a Mac owner himself - is turning his obsessive and irrational hate against Apple into a faith of its own, trying to spread the word around on the Neowin forums. Looking at his rants it probably won't be long before something really pops and we'll see a suicide attack on a local Apple Store. :laugh:

I don't see it as being irrational. He's substantiated all his points.

[.Neo]

I don't see it as being irrational. He's substantiated all his points.

Having so much frustration towards any company is irrational in my opinion. Whether he substantiated all of his points is questionable since I've read more than enough counter arguments. Not to mention the fact other companies can be blamed for similar practices Apple is guilty of as well, but for whatever reason that almost never comes up in his rants. It's basically always a one-way street.

[Vice]

I hear a lot of mailmen who snapped and started shooting pedestrians substantiated their claims too :laugh:

[TheElite]

I hear a lot of mailmen who snapped and started shooting pedestrians substantiated their claims too :laugh:

Evidence?

[bobbba]

Having so much frustration towards any company is irrational in my opinion. Whether he substantiated all of his points is questionable since I've read more than enough counter arguments. Not to mention the fact other companies can be blamed for similar practices Apple is guilty of as well, but for whatever reason that almost never comes up in his rants. It's basically always a one-way street.

+1

[Boz]

I hear a lot of mailmen who snapped and started shooting pedestrians substantiated their claims too :laugh:

Are you saying I'm gonna go on a bloody rampage hahaha..

[Boz]

Having so much frustration towards any company is irrational in my opinion. Whether he substantiated all of his points is questionable since I've read more than enough counter arguments. Not to mention the fact other companies can be blamed for similar practices Apple is guilty of as well, but for whatever reason that almost never comes up in his rants. It's basically always a one-way street.

I'm not frustrated at all and certainly not irrational (especially since I studied consumer psychology as part of my college degree in marketing so I know exactly what drives Apple fans).. I'm just annoyed when someone tries to defend them which is usually coming from Apple fanboys which are majority of people owning something Apple unfortunately. As for Apple and Steve Jobs, well that's obvious he is a lying, sleazy, salesman scumbag. Of course he has charisma, but everything he says and does is done with a purpose in trying to make them sound as something they really are not.

Apple as a company is the greediest, most screwed up company in the tech world. That title belonged to Microsoft for a while but Apple was under the radar because they were super small. Now when they have grown more, they have shown they are 100 times worse than Microsoft, or anyone else. There's no question about that. That's why they keep everything closed up. They want to exploit users they manage to suck into the Apple platform. That's what's disingenuous about them and why I hate them with passion.

I own Apple hardware because I buy a product, not philosophy they are selling. The reason I hate them is because how they are and what their model is, and because they are lying sacks of ass, not because of their products per se.

They have potential to truly be something different. To open up enough to be consumer friendly and still maintain a level of control over their platform and not try to rip me and anyone who buys their stuff for every cent they can. They already own the market with industrial design aspect to their hardware.. They have ok software for the most part (mainstream accessible). They have no need to lock everything in. They do it because they don't want to compete on a regular level but have to forcefully imprison users/customers with their money so they have no other choice down the road but to use their platform, their hardware and play under their rule so they have to buy mini-dongles, overpay sometimes double the price of graphic cards that only work on Apple hardware and crap like that.

What's irrational is defending them, or any company that's like them for that matter because you like their products so you turn a blind eye and think that it's not a big deal. It's a huge deal!

[Dysphoria]

What's irrational is defending them, or any company that's like them for that matter because you like their products so you turn a blind eye and think that it's not a big deal. It's a huge deal!

Way to go Boz! Go and get The MAN

:rolleyes: