Mac OS X Lion Discussion

[.Neo]

Damn, traffic light buttons will be like in iTunes 10. And all the titlebars will disappear, too, like in iTunes 10.

That's what I've seen in the keynote (look at the App Store application for the later).

It's only the App Store and iTunes though... iLife and iWork still had the traffic lights in the regular spot, even on Mac OS X Lion. I absolutely have no idea where Apple is going with this. I'm guessing everything will get the same configuration as the App Store, rather than iTunes. most applications can't house the traffic lights vertical.

[PyX]

It's only the App Store and iTunes though... iLife and iWork still had the traffic lights in the regular spot, even on Mac OS X Lion. I absolutely have no idea where Apple is going with this. I'm guessing everything will get the same configuration as the App Store, rather than iTunes. most applications can't house the traffic lights vertical.

I?m guessing they didn?t work a lot on Lion. All they did was add the features they?ve shown us (App Store, Mission Control and Launch Pad).

I believe that all of the applications? title bars and traffic lights will follow when they work on them.

But you?re right, iLife ?11 isn?t like that... Why two separate designs !?

[Quillz]

Not necessarily related to Lion per se, but does involve the App Store: Apple says we'll be able to redownload apps if we want to, say, reinstall our OS or something. Thus, I assume the App Store will keep track of what you've bought and downloaded via your account. Has it been explained yet if you'll have to actually redownload every app one at a time or if Apple will offer some kind of a combo installer that lets you pick and choose what you want to install? Because, if you have to reinstall your OS and bought, say, 20+ apps via the App Store, it'd be nice to just have one large download that contains all the stuff you've bought, rather than having to download and install one by one.

I'm also still not sure why we need "Launchpad" or w/e. What does it do that can't already be accomplished via the Finder, the Dock, Stacks or Spotlight?

[Subject Delta]

Apple's way of using application halt states seems a little convoluted to me, and the idea of just having apps running in the background seems a bit unusual to me as well. In my opinion they should just use a system like Superfectch as it is in Windows 7. I also believe the idea of not showing running apps in the dock is pretty dumb.

Also I am want to see them release a version codenamed "Kitten" :laugh:

[giga Veteran]

Apple's way of using application halt states seems a little convoluted to me, and the idea of just having apps running in the background seems a bit unusual to me as well. In my opinion they should just use a system like Superfectch as it is in Windows 7. I also believe the idea of not showing running apps in the dock is pretty dumb.

Also I am want to see them release a version codenamed "Kitten" :laugh:

Inactive memory: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1342?viewlocale=en_us

[AltecXP]

I didn't find any of the features mentioned in the presentation a reason to look forward to 10.7. In fact a few of them make me cringe and wonder if after this macbook wears out with 10.6 if I'll be moving to Windows again.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

it's terrible at networking, times out, doesn't remember passwords for SMB shares (maybe that's key chains fault) tabs would be great (liek total finder, which i love btw). I hate how hard it is to find out the exact path of where you are at, just does some dumb gui version with all the icons and crap. Windows Explorer IMO kills the finder. And why the fack can't I cut and paste yet?

Never had issues with SMB passwords before. Have you tried repairing your Keychain?

Not sure why you think it's terrible at networking? I have nearly 10 computers in the home and I can navigate them fine.

Also doesn't Path Bar tell you exactly where you are? What more do you need?

As for cut & paste, that is just by design for OS X. If you do want it though, you can always install moveAddict.

I'd love to see tabs in OS X and Windows natively, that I agree on. TotalFinder is perfect for me right now though :)

[careless_monkey]

I don't think there will be too many additions to Lion than the ones already said. Only improvements will be tweaking stuff, something like what Snow Leopard did and that's it. If they want to inherit features from iPad, they have already done it (FaceTime, App store, etc.). I don't know what more Lion can get from iPad.

But I do hope I'm wrong. :p

[rajputwarrior]

Do the iPod touch, Playstaion 3 and Wii? No..? Well, there goes that argument...

oh **** my bad, i thought he was talking about COMPUTERS as in PCs not cell phones and consoles :rolleyes:

PC has x games, I don’t know why the Mac shouldn’t. I also hope for better graphics drivers in Lion.

oh snap he was... and directx is the reason for that (Y)

[rajputwarrior]

Never had issues with SMB passwords before. Have you tried repairing your Keychain?

Didn't help the situation, still does after I tell it to remember

Not sure why you think it's terrible at networking? I have nearly 10 computers in the home and I can navigate them fine.

This could be a windows fault, it's terrible at finding windows shares right away, sometimes you gotta let it sit for a couple of minutes or it won't at all in my home network but as soon as the Mac is on my window's boxes at home fight it without issue

Also doesn't Path Bar tell you exactly where you are? What more do you need?

the exact path like windows, like you click the address bar and you can copy paste the exact path, when troubleshooting with someone that is SOOO convenient. I know there is the cmd+shift+g shortcut but when you are working with comp nubs they aren't going to know/remember that ever

As for cut & paste, that is just by design for OS X. If you do want it though, you can always install moveAddict.

I have a lot of external drives, I hate having to drag and drop it to the new drive, then going back to where I got the file (because I was doing the super copy/paste thing, which i love BTW) and having to then delete the file

I'd love to see tabs in OS X and Windows natively, that I agree on. TotalFinder is perfect for me right now though :)

(Y)

[d4v1d05]

Because OS X doesn't have DirectX.

Fixed that for you.

You've never used OpenGL or DirectX have you? Personally I prefer OpenGL, it's cross-platform, easier to use, and has (in my opinion) a better feature set for games. That and it's open.

The main reason I see that OS X doesn't have games is a lack of interest. OS X is (or at least used to be) more catered toward the creative, rather than someone who plays games. With Steam now available on OS X, I can see a lot more game developers choosing OS X as a platform for games.

Also, with regards to .Neo talking about the PS3, Wii, iPod Touch etc. The PS3 provides games that are at a similar graphics and gameplay level to PC, and yet it doesn't have DirectX, meaning DirectX isn't a requirement of games, no matter what level of graphics/gameplay.

I for one was sceptical about OS X Lion, but from what I've seen so far, (WHICH ISN'T THE FULL FEATURE SET) I won't be turned off by it, at least. Some features, such as the App Store seem like a good idea, but I can't see myself using certain other features. But as they say, we'll see! (FYI, I don't have a Mac at the moment, but am saving for one.)

[rajputwarrior]

Fixed that for you.

You've never used OpenGL or DirectX have you? Personally I prefer OpenGL, it's cross-platform, easier to use, and has (in my opinion) a better feature set for games. That and it's open.

The main reason I see that OS X doesn't have games is a lack of interest. OS X is (or at least used to be) more catered toward the creative, rather than someone who plays games. With Steam now available on OS X, I can see a lot more game developers choosing OS X as a platform for games.

that's great, thanks :whistle: but the biggest reason OSX lost the games on a computer war back in the day was because of directx on windows. Apple used to be a good gaming platform wayyyy back but directx showed up and changed the game forever.

[splur]

I thought they ran out of cat names, how could I have forgotten about lion...

Mac OS X Tabby Cat

[Elliott]

Does anyone here really use Expose, Spaces and Dashboard regularly?

I use Spaces and Expos? all the time every day. They're very integrated into my workflow.

And the whole iOS, one app at a time thing makes no sense to me. I like how my apps behave. I'll stick with my command tab. It works great.

I'm glad that you like how your apps behave and how Command-Tab works. They're not going anywhere.

However, I'm looking forward to being able to create more distraction-free environments and still see all of what's going on on my system at one time. Expos? has always been an incredible feature and this is really putting it to the next level.

I know: change is scary and all, but sometimes it's good to try new things! I'm sure power users that saw the GUI for the first time were like "WTF is this ****? I want my command line. Friggin' bloatware."

[+Warwagon MVC]

Seeing how Pixar and Disney are one in the same I think they should just call it Mac OSX Mufasa

[rajputwarrior]

Seeing how Pixar and Disney are one in the same I think they should just call it Mac OSX Mufasa

definitely more of a simba so far when he was a cub

[Nick H. Supervisor]

With the information that's been provided on Lion so far, I would say that I'm going to skip it. But they still have just under a year to come up with things that I would consider improvements or new features, and that I'd consider paying for.

[Quillz]

I've found on many other Apple-centric message boards that the same people that used to criticize Windows for "stupidly" maximizing windows are now praising Lion for doing exactly the same thing...

[.Neo]

I've found on many other Apple-centric message boards that the same people that used to criticize Windows for "stupidly" maximizing windows are now praising Lion for doing exactly the same thing...

That is funny. :p Then again you have those people everywhere. Windows fanboys ripping on Apple for not immediately introducing copy/paste on the iPhone now say "Who needs it, anyway" when it comes to Microsoft not immediately introducing it on Windows Phone 7. ;)

Anyway, I'm glad Apple is actually doing something with the zoom button. I loathe the zoom functionality on Mac OS X and always have.

[.Neo]

oh **** my bad, i thought he was talking about COMPUTERS as in PCs not cell phones and consoles :rolleyes:

How does that change anything at all? In case you didn't know games have to be developed for consoles as well, they don't just magically fall out of the sky. Considering two out of three popular platforms don't support DirectX, but yet are still highly successful, it doesn't seem to be the real issue these days.

[notuptome2004]

just for Warriors information all of Id software engines and games starting with quake 3 and its engine up and to this day are OpenGL rendered John carmack has stated numerous times he loves OpenGL . so 99% of the games you see come from Id softwares game engines are openGL but that the other 1% can be Directx based as well based on developers needs

[Southern Patriot]

oh **** my bad, i thought he was talking about COMPUTERS as in PCs not cell phones and consoles :rolleyes:

oh snap he was... and directx is the reason for that (Y)

The point he was making is that DirectX is not an absolute requirement for having games on ANY type of platform. Windows gamers seem to be completely blinded by their own ignorance of anything other than what they are used to.

[PyX]

Anyway, I'm glad Apple is actually doing something with the zoom button. I loathe the zoom functionality on Mac OS X and always have.

Same, I always look stupid when I convert a Windows person into Mac.

- Hey I just clicked the maximize button... why the hell does it do that?

- Oh, because it's not a maximize button, it's called the "zoom button" on the Mac.

- Hmkay... what does it do?

- Well... it depends... hum... I would basically say that... every click... is a surprise.

-

- Yeah...

- So how do I maximize?

- Ugh... You drag the top left corner of the window on the top left corner of you screen, and then you resize the window so it takes the whole screen.

-

[SaltLife]

Same, I always look stupid when I convert a Windows person into Mac.

- Hey I just clicked the maximize button... why the hell does it do that?

- Oh, because it's not a maximize button, it's called the "zoom button" on the Mac.

- Hmkay... what does it do?

- Well... it depends... hum... I would basically say that... every click... is a surprise.

-

- Yeah...

- So how do I maximize?

- Ugh... You drag the top left corner of the window on the top left corner of you screen, and then you resize the window so it takes the whole screen.

-

just had a similar conversation with a friend whose wife picked up an imac

He is in no way computer savvy but he was not happy about that button.

I told him apple announced that they have decided to change that button since he decided to convert and should be ready by the summer.

[.Neo]

The Zoom button would have worked if it would actually revert the window back to its previous size when clicking it the second time. However, the damn thing doesn't do that! If you move the window, change its size or whatever the zoom button does basically nothing anymore: It's a one way street.

Zoom never quite works as I expect it to. As such I'm avoiding it like the plague.

The point he was making is that DirectX is not an absolute requirement for having games on ANY type of platform. Windows gamers seem to be completely blinded by their own ignorance of anything other than what they are used to.

Thank you. (Y) :yes: