The 2005 Baseball Thread

[Prosidius]

Not today. Ben Sheets is pitching against Wood.

[bigbluepride35]

i thought we'd gone over this already....cubs own the blew-crew ;)

we really are playing you guys a lot lately...

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Not today.  Ben Sheets is pitching against Wood.

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I find this back and forth banter quite amusing. Thanks for spicing up the baseball thread guys :laugh:

[BroChaos Veteran]

hehe, we try :p

oh and, there was something else i was gonna say....hmmmm....what was it.....?

oh yeah, CUBS WIN! :D

Adamb10, you have an extra broom? i think i'm gonna need one for tomorrow.... ;)

[nemo]

oh man... if the yankees trade sheffield... :no:

[Veedems Veteran]

oh man... if the yankees trade sheffield... :no:

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For Cameron?! Are they insane?! The last thing we need is to get rid of a good bat in our lineup.

[christracy]

For Cameron?! Are they insane?! The last thing we need is to get rid of a good bat in our lineup.

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to be honest, i dont understand why they didnt go after beltran. i mean yeah great u get randy johnson but what has that done for you and does for you for the future?? at least beltran would be your long term solution at center. to be honest a better cf to give up a bat i think would be a wash if u compare the two.

[bigbluepride35]

For Cameron?! Are they insane?! The last thing we need is to get rid of a good bat in our lineup.

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Cameron's doing decently well and it would solve the centerfield problem. But I jsut don't get it, nor like it. We all know Sheffield can be tempermental if he doesn't get his way and obviously, for some reason, he doesn't want to join the Mets. He himself said:

"If I have to go somewhere else, a lot of things are going to have to be changed or you're going to have an unhappy player," Sheffield told MLB.com.

"I'll ask for everything. Period. You want to inconvenience me, I'm going to inconvenience every situation there is," he added. "The only reason I'm playing is that I wanted to play for the Yankees. If I don't get that opportunity, things change."

"I would never sit out," Sheffield told MLB.com. "I'd go play, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy playing. If I'm not happy, you don't want me on your team. It's that simple. I'll make that known to anybody."

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The Yanks can keep him :p The thought of a Floyd, Beltran, Sheffield outfield looks awesome on paper but the attitude doesn't make me so eager for it.

So, I say good riddance to him. If the Mets are going to trade Cameron they should try to actually fill a need. Maybe get some bullpen help (Graves is a waste of a roster spot), a possible bigger bat at first? I don't seen the sense in an essential trade of players at the same position for the Mets. Save the $4 million or so in salary difference. Go after a REAL need.

[bigbluepride35]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250629127 Craig Biggio is now the all-time leader in HBPs with 268. May seem kind of silly but they said on PTI today that he scored a run 1 out of every 3 times he reached first by those means. Hey if it helps the team good for him.

[nemo]

Cameron's doing decently well and it would solve the centerfield problem. But I jsut don't get it, nor like it. We all know Sheffield can be tempermental if he doesn't get his way and obviously, for some reason, he doesn't want to join the Mets. He himself said:

The Yanks can keep him :p The thought of a Floyd, Beltran, Sheffield outfield looks awesome on paper but the attitude doesn't make me so eager for it.

So, I say good riddance to him. If the Mets are going to trade Cameron they should try to actually fill a need. Maybe get some bullpen help (Graves is a waste of a roster spot), a possible bigger bat at first? I don't seen the sense in an essential trade of players at the same position for the Mets. Save the $4 million or so in salary difference. Go after a REAL need.

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i was just gonna post that....

Sheffield is great. He needs to stay.. The only person who the yankees need to get rid of is Cashman... Buck Showalter and Bob Watson were the ones who put together the 96-01 Yankees... not Cashman and Torre... Torre is a great manager, but Cashman just keeps ****ing **** up... Getting rid of people when they shouldn't....

NY :heart: Sheffield.

Just like

NY :heart: Tino.

[bigbluepride35]

i was just gonna post that....

Sheffield is great.  He needs to stay.. The only person who the yankees need to get rid of is Cashman... Buck Showalter and Bob Watson were the ones who put together the 96-01 Yankees

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Interesting point that needs to be made more often. Not knocking Torre but I don't think Cashman has done that well.

[nemo]

Interesting point that needs to be made more often. Not knocking Torre but I don't think Cashman has done that well.

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Same here.... To be perfectly honest I really never thought of it until my father mentioned it to me last night at dinner when we were talking about the whole ordeal. But you have to be quite naieve to think that Torre and Cashman were responsible for those teams. While they were there... they weren't the ones who got Jeter, or Bernie, or Tino, or Brosius, or anyone else who was on those teams. While Torre managed the team, Cashman just looked on and took credit for Watson's work. Now as Watson's team is slowly starting to fall apart one by one, he's trying to fix it and is just screwing things up.

On another note, last night while the Yankee game was in Rain Delay, me and my father were watching Yankeeography's on Mantle, Ruth, and Maris. It is absolutely amazing how much talent each of them had. If I had half the talent either of them had, I would be the best player in baseball. I mean for Christ's sake, Mantle drank and partied after every game, and he played most of his later career injured. Casey Stengal always said that if Mantle took care of himself, he would have been even better than he was. Mantle admitted it himself later on in life too. Same with Ruth... he always partied it up, smoke, drank, and always had to have a hot dog at the 3rd and 7th inning of every game. Not to mention back then the fields were huge. Yankee Stadium's right field was 344ft. Center was in the BLACK (of what's there today). I've been watching Yankee games for a long time and I've only seen a few people hit a ball into the black.

Anyways, sorry to ramble... It just ****es me off that people don't respect the power and talent of the players back then. And to try to compare Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa to Ruth, Mantle and Maris... is just.... it's stupid. They can not be compared. They were saying that if Ruth played the 160+ games they play now, he'd most likely have hit around 100 home runs in a season. There is no player playing today who is comparable to any of the old players.

[bigbluepride35]

Looks like the firesale is about to begin. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2097637

The Yanks are looking to dump Quantrill and Stanton. Judging by their stats so far this year that's a good idea. Of course, I don't see why anyone else would want them. But, Stanton's a lefty reliever and it seems like there's always at least one team in need who will take a lefty no matter how bad their stats have been recently. I see them simply getting released more likely.

[Veedems Veteran]

Nemo, I've been saying it all year long that Cashman has to go. He builds these teams like one would build a fantasy baseball team. He aquires people who had huge numbers the year before and overpays them. There's no team, nevermind team chemistry. He definitely has to go.

[Veedems Veteran]

Watching the Yankee game now, I've come to appreciate Giambi a little more than I have in the past months. He is one of the only Yankee hitters who is still patient at the plate, a staple of those late 90's teams. Tino is the same way and definitely Jeter. The rest of the team swings way too often and too early into the count.

[christracy]

red sox bullpen sucks!!! they cant even get the ball over the friggen plate!!! they walked the bases loaded TWICE tonight. :no: bullpen help is way more important than starting pitching right now for them.

[StupendousMan]

red sox bullpen sucks!!! they cant even get the ball over the friggen plate!!! they walked the bases loaded TWICE tonight.  :no:  bullpen help is way more important than starting pitching right now for them.

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i think our bullpen definitely needs work.

my personal assessment:

timlin: good era on paper, but he always seems to give up a hit or two before he can settle down and get people out. i don't see many 1-2-3 innings from him

embree: never was confident in him. too inconsistent.

mantei: always thought he had great stuff, but his control is in the ****.

halama: meh, didnt expect much from him from the start, but he does impress me once in a while

myers: lefty specialist only...he gave up that grand slam (yesterday?) but he was facing a righty i believe. been good against what he's supposed to do overall i think.

foulke: this is driving me crazy. no idea what the problem is here, first it's mechanics, then shoulder trouble, all rumors since foulke denies everything. too frustrating to talk about. :(

conclusion: lets do something about this theo :p

[bigbluepride35]

I can't believe the Padres took Quantrill off the Yanks' hands for two decent young arms.

[Veedems Veteran]

I can't believe the Padres took Quantrill off the Yanks' hands for two decent young arms.

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Decent is an overstatement. They both have era's over 5 with one of them having a 9.01 or something like it. Young, yes. Their quality is undetermined. I guess it's a freebie, though, since quantrill was gone either way.

[nemo]

Watching the Yankee game now, I've come to appreciate Giambi a little more than I have in the past months. He is one of the only Yankee hitters who is still patient at the plate, a staple of those late 90's teams. Tino is the same way and definitely Jeter. The rest of the team swings way too often and too early into the count.

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yup... Giambi needs to be a DH... and Tino needs to play first base... end of story loll.

[Galley]

The Nats cannot be squashed! 5-1/2 game lead on the Braves, WooHoo! :D

[Veedems Veteran]

yup... Giambi needs to be a DH... and Tino needs to play first base... end of story loll.

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The problem is, yesterday showed why we still need Bernie. He needs to be out of center field, but we need his bat. That ONLY leaves the DH spot.

[nemo]

The problem is, yesterday showed why we still need Bernie. He needs to be out of center field, but we need his bat. That ONLY leaves the DH spot.

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yeah I know... but still... i dunno...

why is Sheffield awaiting a 2 game suspension?

[Veedems Veteran]

yeah I know... but still... i dunno...

why is Sheffield awaiting a 2 game suspension?

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Appealing the 2 game suspsension he received from when he got thrown out of the game for arguing an out at first call.

[bigbluepride35]

Appealing the 2 game suspsension he received from when he got thrown out of the game for arguing an out at first call.

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I heard this morning on the radio (at like 6:00 in the morning) that he was actually suspended because of the comments he made about dogging it and causing problems if he was traded to a team he didn't want to play for.

And today was the first time this season the Yanks won a game in which they scored less than three runs. Took pretty much half the season but eh better late than never, right?

[Veedems Veteran]

I heard this morning on the radio (at like 6:00 in the morning) that he was actually suspended because of the comments he made about dogging it and causing problems if he was traded to a team he didn't want to play for.

And today was the first time this season the Yanks won a game in which they scored less than three runs. Took pretty much half the season but eh better late than never, right?

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ESPN and YES both reported his suspension as being a result of screaming at the ump and pointing his finger in the ump's face. Kline was ****ed because his outburst was similar and he got 4 days.

Anyone hear about Brett Boone? Was released. I honestly think a team like Tampa should pick him up and use his veteran knwoledge to help their team along, even if he won't be much a presence at the plate.