Zizou Provoked by Serious Taunt?

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Now all you calm down and play some of Zidane's Headbutting on your own!

http://www.helsdingen.com/zidane.swf

LMAO jeez, I love the internet sometimes hahaha

[Kaidiir]

Now all you calm down and play some of Zidane's Headbutting on your own!

http://www.helsdingen.com/zidane.swf

haha :no:

That's horrible, yet somehow amusing...

[My earlier post was based on current information which suggested that insults were made to Zidane regarding his mother, hence the "yo-momma" pun. However, now that newer information has been presented which may prove that these insults were not about his mother, the pun becomes irrelevant. Just clearing that up.]

However I do have to agree with what's been said. Materazzi was being unprofessional to begin with, but it was equally unprofessional for a violent reaction, however much Materazzi may have deserved it. Unfortunately in life it's always the ones who lash out against the taunters and the jeerers who get busted. Materazzi may have very well deserved to get his ass taken down, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. Especially in the biggest game of your life, and especially in front of the entire world.

[ekerazha]

Uh oh, guys check this out...It may turn out that we see Materrazi getting stoned and called names in his own country:

FIFA investigation

On July 11, 2006, FIFA declared its intent to officially investigate the incident. [25]

An Amendment regarding discrimination to Art. 55, Par. 4 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code [3] stipulates that if any player, association or club official or spectator publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a defamatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other discriminatory and/or contemptuous act and can be attributed to a certain team, the team in question faces deduction of points in the group stage resp. disqualification in the knockout stage.

The new provisions had been adopted on 28 March 2006 and may lead to the FIFA Executive Committee imposing harsh sanctions and even disallowing Italy's team the World Cup victory if Materazzi is convicted of having insulted Zidane with racial slurs.

Source: Wikipedia

Yeah, but don't be so sure guys, it Wikipedia so don't depend on it :). I always thought France deserved this cup after Germany was beaten. I hope the Italians do learn their lesson if this happens. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch either, without Zidane and Materazzi :p.

There's a problem... the article 55 has only 3 paragraphs (where's the 4th paragraph?) :laugh: :laugh: :rolleyes:

Article 55 Racism

1. Anyone who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates

someone in a defamatory manner on account of race, colour, language,

religion or ethnic origin will be subject to match suspension

for at least fi ve matches at every level. The body will also pronounce

a ban on his entering the confi nes of any stadiums and a fi ne of at

least CHF 10,000. If the perpetrator is an offi cial, the fi ne will be at

least CHF 15,000.

2. Any spectator who commits such an infringement will be subject to a

stadium ban for two years.

3. If spectators display banners bearing racist slogans at a match, the

body will sanction the association or the club which these spectators

support with a fi ne of at least CHF 30,000 and force it to play its next

offi cial international match without spectators.

And the sanction is for the player ("Anyone" not "The team of anyone").

[TokyoKiller]

Source: Wikipedia

Yeah, but don't be so sure guys, it Wikipedia so don't depend on it :). I always thought France deserved this cup after Germany was beaten. I hope the Italians do learn their lesson if this happens. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch either, without Zidane and Materazzi :p.

There's a problem... the article 55 has only 3 paragraphs (where's the 4th paragraph?) :laugh: :laugh: :rolleyes:

And the sanction is for the player ("Anyone" not "The team of anyone").

"Par. 4: If any player, association or club official or spectator perpetrates any kind of

discriminatory or contemptuous act as described by par. 1 and/or 2 of this article, three

points will automatically be deducted from the team concerned, if identifiable, after the first

offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will automatically be deducted, and for a

further offence, the team will be relegated.

In the case of matches without points, the team concerned, if identifiable, will be

disqualified."

http://www.fifa.com/documents/media/Revisi...nary%20Code.pdf

Check your facts before being a dick.

[riahc3]

It accually would be great if Italy was disqualified and France was given the cup

[L3thal Veteran]

And the sanction is for the player ("Anyone" not "The team of anyone").

Looks like someone forgot to look at the facts, therefore making himself look pretty bad :pinch:

[profets]

its really incredible the way everyone is trying to make excuses for zidane

i'm italian, but never have been a fan of materazzi, while i have always enjoyed watching zidane

i'm sure materazzi said tons of crazy **** to him during the game, but do you not think this happens all the time? zidane is a champion, has been through a huge career, tons of Champions league games, finals, World cups. at the end of the day, he has a history of red cards and suspensions for losing his cool, which will now ultimately result in most people remember him for his final head butt

even though he was provoked, he had to keep his cool. like i said, it happens game in game out. my brother plays a similar style as players like zidane or kaka, on a semi-pro team. he says he gets verbally and physically abused every game. when the play is on different area of the field, he'll be always sneakily kicked at the ankles, pushed, verbally abused. he said if he loses his cool, and gets kicked out for lashing out at the player, then that player will be successful in the **** that he does to provoke him.. not that any type of provoking is ok to start with.

-- what about back in euro2004.. with totti spitting at poulsen? the danish media complained and found video evidence of that afterwards, and submitted it, resulting in a suspension for totti. totti plays in position similar to zidane, was key for italy that year, and was constantly provoked --- do you remember anyone trying to justify his spitting by saying he was provoked??? even the italians were upset with him.

what if it was totti who headbutted someone else after being provoked? i bet most people would be speaking **** about him this whole time instead of trying to justify it

[ekerazha]

"Par. 4: If any player, association or club official or spectator perpetrates any kind of

discriminatory or contemptuous act as described by par. 1 and/or 2 of this article, three

points will automatically be deducted from the team concerned, if identifiable, after the first

offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will automatically be deducted, and for a

further offence, the team will be relegated.

In the case of matches without points, the team concerned, if identifiable, will be

disqualified."

http://www.fifa.com/documents/media/Revisi...nary%20Code.pdf

Check your facts before being a dick.

That revision isn't effective yet. The effective code is this: http://www.fifa.com/documents/static/organ...ary_code_EN.pdf

Looks like someone forgot to look at the facts, therefore making himself look pretty bad :pinch:

The point is that you just haven't any fact :laugh:

Edited July 11, 2006 by ekerazha

[ekerazha]

These are the promulgated circulars: http://www.fifa.com/en/regulations/regulat...1584,10,00.html

I don't see that revision.

Looks like someone forgot to look at the facts, therefore making himself look pretty bad, ah ah :rofl: :laugh:

Edited July 11, 2006 by ekerazha

[ekerazha]

Found: http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0,1369,116245,00.html

It wasn't linked on the circulars' page, I found it using Google.

So, that's ok... I was wrong about the thing of the article 55 :pinch:

Edited July 11, 2006 by ekerazha

[L3thal Veteran]

Found: http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0,1369,116245,00.html

It wasn't linked on the circulars' page, I found it using Google.

So, that's ok... I was wrong about the thing of the article 55 :pinch:

:no:

Please double check your sources and facts before trying to make fun of others and ending up having yourself look like a buffoon.

[Michael_C]

And there comes a time where a guy has enough and has to step up and end it. Zidane did that. While it screwed his team over, I respect the guy for leveling the prick like he did. In sport, your level of play should do all the talking. Keep your damn mouth shut and show respect for your opponents.

That's the beauty of a full contact sport like Rugby, you can do a Jerry Collins style bonecrusher tackle and the dude will shut his mouth pretty quick. :yes:

[robertov]

well I removed it cos it break the rules

Edited July 12, 2006 by jiulius

[iconoclast]

the stronger man will never give in to these tactics. say what you want about materazzi, but he outsmarted zidane in this one. he's their best PK guy, and it was just about to go to pks. so obviously materazzi tries to bait him, and he falls for it.

if zidane wanted to be a good sport, he could have embarrassed materazzi in front of the press or something like that after the game, hell, he could headbutt or even fist fight after the game, if you want to settle it like a "man". but thats not what materazzi wanted, and he probably didn't even mean the things he said. people talk crap in every sport, all the time. if you take it personally, you are giving them the upper hand.

qft

[Michael_C]

anyone who says 'oh he should be a man and just not do anything' has clearly never been in such a situation.

Exactly, I'm surprised how many people here don't have the balls to stand up for themselves.

[aubaine]

If FIFA takes the World Cup away from Italy, it will be conding violence in response to verbal assaults, something I don't think they're likely to do. They also won't condone any racist comments that were made, if they were made. I imagine Materazzi will be penalized somehow but that's about it.

Not fair, but FIFA is a political body, like it or not.

Oh, and btw......

[revvo]

Materazzi has a history of wreckless playing, far worse than Zidane's headbutt. YouTube is full of these old videos of Materazzi playing like a violent wreckless player.

It could be very well that Materazzi said something very offending to Zidane and imagining the pressure on a player who has been trying hard from the beginning for almost 2 hours of gameplay, you can't keep it up forever.

Yes, a good player should show a good example and especially him because he's a living football legend (even with this incident, he still is on the best) but remember this: WE'RE ALL HUMAN. He's not a machine that can always bottle up his emotions and just think ok its just a sport lets play and ignore these bastards. He has feelings just like us and whatever Materazzi said to him must of really touched him at a point where football wasn't a priority anymore, not as much as whatever the subject was whether it was culture or family or whatnot.

Materazzi basically played dirty and it worked. Italy got what they wanted, to take out France's, if not FIFA's best player out of their sight to ensure their victory. Yes, Zidane might of been tricked as many say, but does that make it "ok"? No, in fact that's ****ing dirty and worse than what Zidane did, but no apparently here people think "Zidane fell for the trap that's his fault". :rolleyes:

In theory, you should get red carded for verbal offense, but in practice that doesn't work very well, especially when all the refs are blind as a bat.

[profets]

Exactly, I'm surprised how many people here don't have the balls to stand up for themselves.

if you knew anything about playing football as a professional (let alone as one of the worlds top players in WC final and your final national career game), having the balls to stand up to verbal abuse by violently head-butting an opponent in the chest isnt allowed.

i think the real problem with this topic is that it occured while most of the world was watching this game, with most people not clearly understanding the sport.

[revvo]

having the balls to stand up to verbal abuse by violently head-butting an opponent in the chest isnt allowed.

i think the real problem with this topic is that it occured while most of the world was watching this game, with most people not clearly understanding the sport.

Having the balls to elbow the **** out of Sorin's face isn't allowed, in nearly any team competitve sport.

[profets]

Materazzi has a history of wreckless playing, far worse than Zidane's headbutt. YouTube is full of these old videos of Materazzi playing like a violent wreckless player.

It could be very well that Materazzi said something very offending to Zidane and imagining the pressure on a player who has been trying hard from the beginning for almost 2 hours of gameplay, you can't keep it up forever.

Yes, a good player should show a good example and especially him because he's a living football legend (even with this incident, he still is on the best) but remember this: WE'RE ALL HUMAN. He's not a machine that can always bottle up his emotions and just think ok its just a sport lets play and ignore these bastards. He has feelings just like us and whatever Materazzi said to him must of really touched him at a point where football wasn't a priority anymore, not as much as whatever the subject was whether it was culture or family or whatnot.

Materazzi basically played dirty and it worked. Italy got what they wanted, to take out France's, if not FIFA's best player out of their sight to ensure their victory. Yes, Zidane might of been tricked as many say, but does that make it "ok"? No, in fact that's ****ing dirty and worse than what Zidane did, but no apparently here people think "Zidane fell for the trap that's his fault". :rolleyes:

In theory, you should get red carded for verbal offense, but in practice that doesn't work very well, especially when all the refs are blind as a bat.

this kind of **** has been happening all the time... key players for many teams are ALWAYS provoked during games!

in euro2004 totti was constantly provoked by poulsen of denmark and reacted incorrectly by spitting at him. no one (including italians) condoned this action - whether it was headbutt, spitting, kick to the face - anything!

with ACMilan, kaka was constantly provoked when they played in champions league with fenerbache (i think?) anyway, it was poulsen again who not only verbally abused him, but also physically kicked at him and hit him behind the play. did anything happen? no, but kaka kept his cool, and played the game.

Nothing is right about what materazzi did. And there is no excuse whatsoever for zidane to behave like that.

it seems like half the world is complaining now about zidane being verbally abused - where were all these people over the past 5 years when he was given straight reds and lengthy suspensions for similar headbutts and stomps during champions league games and WC games - reactions from being provoked as often happens to star players like zidane

[Veedems Veteran]

like chris rock said it..."im not saying he was right, but i get it".

Perfectly said. I don't think anyone will dispute that it hurt his team, but it's a very understandable act. When it comes down to it, even smack talk has its limits. A line was crossed and, if the reports are true, Zidane decided he should defend the honor of his mother. I get it.

[profets]

Having the balls to elbow the **** out of Sorin's face isn't allowed, in nearly any team competitve sport.

hahaha, good post!

i agree 100% with you. i'm italian, as i stated earlier, and i hate materazzi. i suffered all world cup every time i saw another report that nesta isnt recovering on time from an injury and having to worry about materazzi playing

in a situation like the video you showed, he should have clearly been red carded

[revvo]

this kind of **** has been happening all the time... key players for many teams are ALWAYS provoked during games!

Yes, true, but the problem is now everyone's pointing fingers at Zidane, making him look like the bad guy, because not only is he a top world player but it was his last match, and the way he ended it was sad as hell. Are these news reports and critics about this incident blaming Materazzi for anything? Most aren't not even half. No of course not, he got physically hit, he's the victim.

They both did something wrong. They both deserved to get red carded but Zidane is the one who obviously got caught, can't get away with such an act as opposed to verbal offense. It's as simple as that.

[profets]

Perfectly said. I don't think anyone will dispute that it hurt his team, but it's a very understandable act. When it comes down to it, even smack talk has its limits. A line was crossed and, if the reports are true, Zidane decided he should defend the honor of his mother. I get it.

i cant imagine how any player can refrain from revenge or hiting back at someone who abuses or provokes them during a game, and you can understand why zidane lashed out at the end.

someone close to me who plays on a semi-pro team in a role similar to zidane or kaka for his team, he says the exact same kind of garbage happens to him game in game out. one of the things he concentrates on most is keeping his cool during the game, and beating them on the field, which is more satisfying than hiting back at them. the last thing he wants to do is drop to their level

Yes, true, but the problem is now everyone's pointing fingers at Zidane, making him look like the bad guy, because not only is he a top world player but it was his last match, and the way he ended it was sad as hell. Are these news reports and critics about this incident blaming Materazzi for anything? Most aren't not even half. No of course not, he got physically hit, he's the victim.

They both did something wrong. They both deserved to get red carded but Zidane is the one who obviously got caught, can't get away with such an act as opposed to verbal offense. It's as simple as that.

very true. but as much as people speak about zidane's headbutt, i think almost as many talk about what materazzi must have said.

it'll be obvious also that a clip of a crazy headbutt like that will get the media going like crazy, esp when 2.5 billion people were watching the game

the provoking and **** is horrible, but getting revenge with physical act got him caught. he could have turned back to materazzi and said some crazy **** to him (we dont know 100% what they were saying to each other anyway).. he could have returned some crazy ass words, keep his cool physically, and possibly win the WC

[TokyoKiller]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ixQhKg3D2_s