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[Boo Berry]

I'd NEVER recommend somebody to uninstall WLM 2011 in favor of the out-of-date and vulnerable WLM 2009. If you must, use Trillian, Pidgin or Digsby instead! If you're having issues with Mail 2011 perhaps try a different client like Thunderbird? I'm not sure if it'll work with DeltaSync though so it might be something to look into.

Anyways just because you can run older programs in compatibility mode like WLM 2009 doesn't mean you should. You don't fully understand how the unpatched vulnerabilities in WLM 2009 pose a serious risk to your PC even though the chance of someone attacking you via the vulnerability(s) is small. The general rule of thumb with any program is to always use the latest and keep it up to date like with Flash and Java, same goes for Windows too. I'm sure there's solutions to the issues you're having in WLM 2011. And yes, you can change the backgrounds in WLM 2011 to whatever you want, even pink if so desired!

[Andrea Borman]

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ljellen wrote-
If I can't get WLE Mail 2011 to work on my new Win7 computer, I may be forced to use WLE 2009 until 2014. The alternative email programs don't offer DeltaSync, which interacts directly with Hotmail. Microsoft support tacitly admits there is a problem with WL Mail 2011, DeltaSync, and Hotmail working together. Their "fix" is to use POP3 instead of DeltaSync for Hotmail.

Yes I have seen the other WLE 2011 besides WL Messenger 2011. And both Windows Live photo Gallery 2011 and Windows Live Mail 2011 have got the Ribbon,which I hate. Another thing I don't like. WLE 2009 and the versions before that DO NOT have the Ribbon.

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Lord Venom wrote-
I'd NEVER recommend somebody to uninstall WLM 2011 in favor of the out-of-date and vulnerable WLM 2009. If you must, use Trillian, Pidgin or Digsby instead! If you're having issues with Mail 2011 perhaps try a different client like Thunderbird? I'm not sure if it'll work with DeltaSync though so it might be something to look into.

Anyways just because you can run older programs in compatibility mode like WLM 2009 doesn't mean you should. You don't fully understand how the unpatched vulnerabilities in WLM 2009 pose a serious risk to your PC even though the chance of someone attacking you via the vulnerability(s) is small. The general rule of thumb with any program is to always use the latest and keep it up to date like with Flash and Java, same goes for Windows too. I'm sure there's solutions to the issues you're having in WLM 2011. And yes, you can change the backgrounds in WLM 2011 to whatever you want, even pink if so desired...

Well WLE 2011 is different from all of the previous versions of WLE. That is, WLE 2011 is terrible.
And WLE 2009 and all previous versions of WLE 2009 look and are basically the same as each other. The current build of WLE 2009 is Build 14.0 8117 and the previous builds of WLE 2009 do not look any different from the latest one and have the same features.

And even earlier versions of WL Mesenger,WL Messenger 8.5 and MSN Messenger 7.5 are not much different from the look of WL Messenger 2009. The settings are all the same or similar.

But WL Messenger 2011 is different completely.Too different.

And so are the rest of WLE 2011.
Maybe if you have never used WLE 2009 you would not notice it.

But if you have used WLE 2009,then you will notice it. And I and a lot of people don't like the changes in WLE 2011. So that's why I and other users are sticking with WLE 2009.

And WLE 2009 is not out of date. That is the latest version for Windows XP and Windows Vista without any service packs and Windows Vista Service pack 1. And there is also WLE 2011. So there are two versions of WLE. Both supported.Andrea Borman.

[n_K]

Javik, on 31 July 2012 - 00:59, said:

Ah I see. I presume they'll eventually disable them though?

No, XP's latest version of MSN is outdated, same with every other discontinued OS, like it's 5.0 or 6.0 for windows 2000, once you get the latest version for your OS it'll connect fine and by faking the version using compatibility it will still work.

You can hack older MSNs to work, you don't hex edit them, you change their resources.

[Andrea Borman]

n_K, on 31 July 2012 - 08:32, said:

No, XP's latest version of MSN is outdated, same with every other discontinued OS, like it's 5.0 or 6.0 for windows 2000, once you get the latest version for your OS it'll connect fine and by faking the version using compatibility it will still work.

You can hack older MSNs to work, you don't hex edit them, you change their resources.

No,Windows XP is not outdated.It is supported until 2014. After that time from what I read on the web,you will no longer get updates from Windows Update. But you can still carry on using it. But you will probably have to update software manually yourself. As Windows Update won't work.

And WLE 2009 is still supported. It is the latest version for Windows XP and Windows Vista without service packs and Windows Vista Service Pack 1. And if you try to install WLE 2011 on these versions of Windows it won't let you do it.You have to install WLE 2009 version.

WLE 2009 is for all versions of Windows and works on Windows 8. But WLE 2011 is only for Windows Vista service Pack 2,Windows 7 and Windows 8. And Microsoft have not made WLE 2011version to work on Windows XP or Windows Vista without service packs.

It figures. But that says it all about WLE 2011 version. Maybe it is so buggy and awkward that it just cannot work on Windows XP or Windows Vista without Service Pack 2.

But then it does not work well on Windows Vista Service Pack 2,Windows 7 or Windows 8 either.No wonder nobody likes WLE 2011.

And you don't have to do any hacks to get WLE 2009 or older versions of WL Messenger, or even MSN Messenger to work. You just run it in compatibility mode for Windows XP. That's all. Andrea Borman.

[Boo Berry]

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

Well WLE 2011 is different from all of the previous versions of WLE. That is, WLE 2011 is terrible.

How, exactly?

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

And WLE 2009 and all previous versions of WLE 2009 look and are basically the same as each other. The current build of WLE 2009 is Build 14.0 8117 and the previous builds of WLE 2009 do not look any different from the latest one and have the same features.

Actually, this isn't true. With each Windows Live Essentials wave there was new featured added. In the case of Windows Live Messenger between 2009 and 2011 they use different protocols and thus have different features.

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

And even earlier versions of WL Mesenger,WL Messenger 8.5 and MSN Messenger 7.5 are not much different from the look of WL Messenger 2009. The settings are all the same or similar.

Mmmm, this could be debated to death, so not going to touch this one.

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

But WL Messenger 2011 is different completely.Too different.

Not really, in the case of WLM the UI for WLM 2011 can be changed to look exactly like WLM 2009 and earlier. The only difference is a) the removal of nicknames server-side and the privacy settings not within the client anymore with allow/block list. As for the ribbon UI for the other parts, it takes some getting used to but it does work out nicely.

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

And so are the rest of WLE 2011.
Maybe if you have never used WLE 2009 you would not notice it.

I've used both and the change from 2009 to 2011 doesn't bother me much, nor does the use of the ribbon UI - it's not that complicated to use even in Windows 8.

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

But if you have used WLE 2009,then you will notice it. And I and a lot of people don't like the changes in WLE 2011. So that's why I and other users are sticking with WLE 2009.

Like who? Seriously? There's not THAT much difference between 2009 and 2011. The only complaints I see about 2011 is the removal of nicknames from WLM 2011 which there is a workaround for. Ribbon UI? It's used on everything now from Office to Windows 8. At least it's not Metro, right?

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

No,Windows XP is not outdated.It is supported until 2014. After that time from what I read on the web,you will no longer get updates from Windows Update. But you can still carry on using it. But you will probably have to update software manually yourself. As Windows Update won...

I don't think you understand the support cycles for Windows OSes. Windows XP is outdated and not supported by Microsoft anymore except with extended support (monthly patches only) until 2014 but mainstream support for Windows XP ended in 2009. When mainstream support ended, XP became outdated in part to the releases of Windows Vista and Windows 7 and how the cycle works. Also, Vista's mainstream support ended earlier this year in April so it's also in extended support now until 2017 which means Vista's outdated now. And yes, I call an OS outdated when mainstream support has ended. Makes sense, does it not?

AndreaBorman, on 31 July 2012 - 07:03, said:

And WLE 2009 is not out of date. That is the latest version for Windows XP and Windows Vista without any service packs and Windows Vista Service pack 1. And there is also WLE 2011. So there are two versions of WLE. Both supported.Andrea Borman.

Uhhh, yeah it is. Just because Microsoft is still issuing critical monthly patches for Windows XP for a few more years doesn't mean it's not outdated. Same goes for Vista now as I mentioned above. In the case of Windows Live Essentials 2009 they are indeed outdated and like I said several times already vulnerable to exploitation. I don't believe you understand the risk of running outdated and exploitable software on Windows 7 or 8 in XP compatibility mode. It's really a big no-no and I implore you to reconsider doing this and trying to find solutions for your issues with WLE 2011.

[Andrea Borman]

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Andrea Borman,myself wrote-
But if you have used WLE 2009,then you will notice it. And I and a lot of people don't like the changes in WLE 2011. So that's why I and other users are sticking with WLE 2009.

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Lord Venom wrote-
Like who? Seriously? There's not THAT much difference between 2009 and 2011. The only complaints I see about 2011 is the removal of nicknames from WLM 2011 which there is a workaround for. Ribbon UI? It's used on everything now from Office to Windows 8. At least it's not Metro, right?

Well take a look at this thread here on Microsoft Answers,here-http://answers.micro...74-52505bbbf290

I feel sorry for all of the people on there who complained.Because they did not know that all they had to do was set WLM 2009 in compatibility mode for Windows XP to get it working again.

Also Windows XP users don't have to suffer WLE 2011 version,so why should Windows Vista and Windows 7 users have to?

The fact that Microsoft never made WLE 2011 version for Windows XP,says it all about 2011 version. It is awful. Andrea Borman.

[Dot Matrix]

Guys, it's futile trying to talk to her, she's like a machine. It goes in one ear, and out the other, and she'll repeat the same stuff she's been saying from the start. Security vulnerabilities don't register with her.

[z0phi3l]

When MS figures out the workarounds and makes it so you have no choice but to use the current version, please don't come here complaining, we already warned you and you refuse to get with the program and adjust top some simple changes for the better

[andrewbares]

Anyone think the 2009 Photo Gallery looks better than the current one? Lol.

[Raa]

Happily using WLM 2009 on Windows 7 here. Have been since it came out. No issues whatsoever.

[+TCLN Ryster]

Dot Matrix, on 31 July 2012 - 23:04, said:

Guys, it's futile trying to talk to her, she's like a machine. It goes in one ear, and out the other, and she'll repeat the same stuff she's been saying from the start. Security vulnerabilities don't register with her.

QFT. The classic line i loved was "Windows XP isn't outdated". Lol

Also Andrea, why do you write "Andrea Borman" at the end of every post? You are aware your name is shown in two other places on every post, including in the signature right below where you write your name for a third time?

[andrewbares]

TCLN Ryster, on 31 July 2012 - 23:15, said:

Also Andrea, why do you write "Andrea Borman" at the end of every post? You are aware your name is shown in two other places on every post, including in the signature right below where you write your name for a third time?

Why does the Glassed Silver guy write GS:Mac at the end of every post, even in comments? Some things in this world will never make sense.

[Andrea Borman]

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zOphi3l wrote-
When MS figures out the workarounds and makes it so you have no choice but to use the current version, please don't come here complaining, we already warned you and you refuse to get with the program and adjust top some simple changes for the better.

Maybe I should not be posting on the Internet ways of how to avoid being upgraded to WLE 2011 version. Because if Microsoft read it they may block that way round it.

Another way is to download Messenger Reviver a software that was invented by Johnathan Kay. See his blog here-http://messengergeek.wordpress.com/

Which blocks the update of WL Messenger 2011 version without you having to set WL Messenger 2009 to Windows XP compatibility mode. And he updates the software to overcome every new update that Microsoft makes to block WL Messenger 2009 and older versions of Messenger. And avoid WLM 2011 version.

But I think the safest way is to just change the program compatibility mode on WL Messenger 2009 to Windows XP.

Actually I have told him in my comments on his blog, that you can just block the update of WLM 2011 version by setting WLM 2009 to run in compatibility mode for Windows XP. But he won't publish my comments. I don't know why.

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andrewbares wrote-
Anyone think the 2009 Photo Gallery looks better than the current one? Lol.

WL Photo Gallery 2009 IS better than WL Photo Gallery 2011.

WL Photo Gallery 2009 does not have that horrible and confusing Ribbon. And neither does WL Mail 2009.

But WL Photo Gallery 2011 does and so does WL Mail 2011 have the Ribbon.

Also I think that WL Photo Gallery 2009 is a clone of Windows Vista Photo Gallery. See my pictures of my Windows Vista.

The only difference is that Windows Photo Gallery from Windows Vista does not work on any operating system but Windows Vista. It is one of the few software's that I have tried to install on Windows 7 and Windows 8 by copying the program files over. That does not work on other versions of Windows,except for Windows Vista.

And no, Windows Vista Photo Gallery does not work on Windows XP either.

But Windows Live Photo Gallery 2009 works on all versions of Windows,including Windows 8.

And by the way,if you only have got WLE 2009 WITHOUT the Messenger installed.You will not get the mandatory update to WLE 2011.The update is only being pushed on WLM 2009. Not on WL Mail 2009,WL Photo Gallery 2009,or Windows Live Writer 2009.

So you don't have to set Windows XP program compatibility mode for WL Mail 2009,WL Photo Gallery 2009 or Windows Live Writer 2009.

You only have to set Windows XP compatibility mode for WL Messenger 2009. Andrea Borman.

[Andrea Borman]

I don't know why Microsoft are bothering to try to make people upgrade to WLE 2011 version. Most people are not happy with it and nether am I.

WLE 2011 is just not the same as WLE 2009 version. And I found this other thread here on Neowin forums,here-http://www.neowin.ne...-functionality/

And a lot of people on there say that WL Messenger 2011 has reduced functions. You can say that again. And I think WLM 2011 is not very user friendly.

The problem is that users of a software are used to it and the way it looks. And when they make a new version they change it. And make it so different and sometimes the new version does not work as good as the old version. That's exactly what happen with WLE.

WLE 2009 and the previous versions of WLE were all exactly the same. Then they made this WLE 2011 version, and it is so different. And a lot of the changes,the Ribbon,the slowness,of WL Messenger 2011,and it not being so user friendly. No wonder I and most people don't want to upgrade to it and stay on WLE 2009.

Now if they would just make WLE 2011 like WLE 2009 then that would be different. Then I and other people would upgrade.

And note that Microsoft say that WLE 2011 is not compatible with Windows XP. So there has got to be something wrong with WLE 2011 not to work on Windows XP. As most other software does.

But WLE 2011 does not really work well on netbooks or computers with old hardware either,even if they are running Windows 7. Andrea Borman.

[shozilla]

AndreaBorman, on 01 August 2012 - 09:14, said:

I don't know why Microsoft are bothering to try to make people upgrade to WLE 2011 version. Most people are not happy with it and nether am I.

WLE 2011 is just not the same as WLE 2009 version. And I found this other thread here on Neowin forums,here-http://www.neowin.ne...-functionality/

And a lot of people on there say that WL Messenger 2011 has reduced functions. You can say that again. And I think WLM 2011 is not very user friendly.

The problem is that users of a software are used to it and the way it looks. And when they make a new version they change it. And make it so different and sometimes the new version does not work as good as the old version. That's exactly what happen with WLE.

WLE 2009 and the previous versions of WLE were all exactly the same. Then they made this WLE 2011 version, and it is so different. And a lot of the changes,the Ribbon,the slowness,of WL Messenger 2011,and it not being so user friendly. No wonder I and most people don't want to upgrade to it and stay on WLE 2009.

Now if they would just make WLE 2011 like WLE 2009 then that would be different. Then I and other people would upgrade.

And note that Microsoft say that WLE 2011 is not compatible with Windows XP. So there has got to be something wrong with WLE 2011 not to work on Windows XP. As most other software does.

But WLE 2011 does not really work well on netbooks or computers with old hardware either,even if they are running Windows 7. Andrea Borman.

Read carefully. I told you before.... Some new programs won't work on old systems. You need to move on and find a program that works on your system. Nothing you can do about it. Microsoft will recommend that you install the latest version of software to prevent the security risks. If you don't want that, then get a 3rd party program such as Trillian, AIM, etc.. If you do not know how to use the 3rd party programs, then nothing we can do for you except that you can use either cellphone or landline phone to call your family and friends instead of chatting online.

I suggest that you have a mod to close this thread because you don't get it. We, Neowinians, are trying to tell/help you since you started the topic and you don't get it.