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[cybertimber2008]

AndreaBorman, on 01 August 2012 - 09:14, said:

I don't know why Microsoft are bothering to try to make people upgrade to WLE 2011 version.

It's their platform and their program. To compete with other companies, they must continue to innovate and change to try and grab a larger share of the pie. Therefore, upgrades. It's in their interest to grow.
To people who DO like the ribbon, WL2011 better matches other ribboned interfaces (Office 2007 and up, Win7 Notepad, Win7 Paint, etc) and is a logical change. THAT'S why they pushed the update to ribbon based OSes (Vista and 7).

[Andrea Borman]

But Windows Live Essentials 2009 and Windows Live Messenger 2009 is the latest software. I have WLE 2009 build 1.4.0 8117 and that is the latest version for Windows XP. And it also works on Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8.

Windows XP runs all of the latest software like Windows 7 does. And talking of out of date software. What about Windows Messenger 4.7 that comes bundled with Windows XP? That does not work and it won't let you log into it.Because it is no longer supported. So I uninstalled it.

But Windows Messenger 4.7 is what you call out of date but not the latest version of WL Messenger 2009.

And then you mention Aim Messenger but there are 2 versions of Aim. A modern version of aim and the old Classic Aim Messenger 7.5. And you can run both side by side. But I have just got the old classic Aim Messenger 7.5.

But Trillian I cannot figure out how to use it. And I don't think anybody else can. It is unusable. Andrea Borman.

[+warwagon]

Terracotta, on 30 July 2012 - 21:33, said:

Doesn't mean you should use it till 2014...

why not? as long as security updates are still being given I see no issue.

[+Brando212]

warwagon, on 01 August 2012 - 23:57, said:

why not? as long as security updates are still being given I see no issue.

it's only basic security updates for the OS though, it doesn't include most the default apps such as outlook express (IE is actually the only app that will still get security updates till that date, the rest are for the base OS)

(I mention outlook express because Andrea apparently insists on using that too )

[Andrea Borman]

cybertimber2008, on 01 August 2012 - 17:59, said:

It's their platform and their program. To compete with other companies, they must continue to innovate and change to try and grab a larger share of the pie. Therefore, upgrades. It's in their interest to grow.
To people who DO like the ribbon, WL2011 better matches other ribboned interfaces (Office 2007 and up, Win7 Notepad, Win7 Paint, etc) and is a logical change. THAT'S why they pushed the update to ribbon based OSes (Vista and 7).

Well you are on of the few people I have met that do like WLE 2011. Most people on other sites I have read hate WLE 2011 and want to stay on WLE 2009. And I can see why.

There were over 32 posts on Microsoft Answers forum. And most of them hate WLE 2011 version and the forced upgrade to it. I could have told them,that all they had to do was set WL Messenger 2009 in compatibility mode for Windows XP. But the thread was closed.

It seems that everybody on that thread on Microsoft Answers was very upset and the staff were not very helpful. By telling them they were stuck with WLE 2011. But you are not stuck with WLE 2011. Because you can still have and use WLE 2009. Andrea Borman.

[+Brando212]

AndreaBorman, on 02 August 2012 - 00:03, said:

Well you are on of the few people I have met that do like WLE 2011. Most people on other sites I have read hate WLE 2011 and want to stay on WLE 2009. And I can see why.

There were over 32 posts on Microsoft Answers forum. And most of them hate WLE 2011 version and the forced upgrade to it. I could have told them,that all they had to do was set WL Messenger 2009 in compatibility mode for Windows XP. But the thread was closed.

It seems that everybody on that thread on Microsoft Answers was very upset and the staff were not very helpful. By telling them they were stuck with WLE 2011. But you are not stuck with WLE 2011. Because you can still have and use WLE 2009. Andrea Borman.

well no S**T! obvious thinking would conclude that they wouldn't be there on MS Answers if they didn't like it or had a problem.

32 posts isn't all that many when you think about the thousands if not millions of people that are using windows live essentials 2011 and are fine with it

[Ambroos]

AndreaBorman, on 01 August 2012 - 23:42, said:

But Trillian I cannot figure out how to use it. And I don't think anybody else can. It is unusable. Andrea Borman.

Tell that to the probably millions of Trillian users.

Windows Live Messenger 2009 is not up to date, it is discontinued. Microsoft offers it as a way for Windows XP users to still be able to connect to the network, but it is not up-to-date at all and will probably not receive any security updates. And of course you don't read posts about people liking 2011, people online only talk about things they don't like. I like WLE 2011 a lot, it's much better than 2009 in functionality, speed and stability.

And just so you know, that version of WLE 2009 you're using right now was released in july 2010 and hasn't received any updates at all ever since. It is unsafe and old software that should not be used unless there is no other way.

[Andrea Borman]

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Ambroos wrote-

Tell that to the probably millions of Trillian users.

Windows Live Messenger 2009 is not up to date, it is discontinued. Microsoft offers it as a way for Windows XP users to still be able to connect to the network, but it is not up-to-date at all and will probably not receive any security updates. And of course you don't read posts about people liking 2011, people online only talk about things they don't like. I like WLE 2011 a lot, it's much better than 2009 in functionality, speed and stability.

And just so you know, that version of WLE 2009 you're using right now was released in july 2010 and hasn't received any updates at all ever since. It is unsafe and old software that should not be used unless there is no other way.

No you can't use Trillian. I cannot figure out how to use it and my friends could not either. And Digsby does not work. There is not many choice of chat messengers. As most of them are not user friendly,don't work or you cannot use them.

And just to clarify here are pictures of the latest version of Windows Live Messenger on Windows XP,which is the same one I use on Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8.

The latest build is WLE and WL Messenger 2009 14.0 8117.416. That is the build that is the latest one.There are other builds of WLE 2009 many of them,but they are older versions and not the latest version.

And no Windows has not given me any updates for WLE 2009 or any updates for Windows Movie Maker 2.1.The same as it does not on Windows Vista for Windows Movie Maker 6 and on Windows 7 it does not give any updates for WLE 2011 either.

Because the people I know who have got WLE 2011 tell me they don't get any updates for it in Windows Update.

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Brando 212 wrote-

it's only basic security updates for the OS though, it doesn't include most the default apps such as outlook express (IE is actually the only app that will still get security updates till that date, the rest are for the base OS)

(I mention outlook express because Andrea apparently insists on using that too. )

Yes on Windows XP I do use Outlook Express. And on Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8
I use Windows Mail. So now I am no longer using WL Mail 2009 version because I am using Outlook Express and Windows Mail. Which are lighter than Windows Live Mail.

Although of course Windows Live Mail 2009 is better than the 2011 version. At least WL Mail 2009 does not have the Ribbon. Andrea Borman.

[Ambroos]

AndreaBorman, on 02 August 2012 - 05:57, said:

No you can't use Trillian.

Yes you can.

Proof that you can:

Look, it's me, using Trillian!

Just because you and your friends can't figure out how it works doesn't mean nobody can. I know MANY people who use Trillian and prefer it because of it's versatility. Trillian is simple enough software, and I repeat, if you can't figure out how it works, please don't give advice to people on anything computer-related. Stick to things you actually know something about.

(and PS, the last update for Windows Live 2011 was in March 2012, a few months ago, and contained a lot of security fixes. The new Messenger also uses SmartScreen for links, which is a huge security advantage. http://www.neowin.ne...55308-released/ - so don't you dare say it 2009 is "just as up-to-date". It isn't. 2009 is old legacy software that should not be used unless there is absolutely no other way).

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[Andrea Borman]

Ambroos, on 02 August 2012 - 09:05, said:

Yes you can.

Proof that you can:

Look, it's me, using Trillian!

Just because you and your friends can't figure out how it works doesn't mean nobody can. I know MANY people who use Trillian and prefer it because of it's versatility. Trillian is simple enough software, and I repeat, if you can't figure out how it works, please don't give advice to people on anything computer-related. Stick to things you actually know something about.

(and PS, the last update for Windows Live 2011 was in March 2012, a few months ago, and contained a lot of security fixes. The new Messenger also uses SmartScreen for links, which is a huge security advantage. http://www.neowin.ne...55308-released/ - so don't you dare say it 2009 is "just as up-to-date". It isn't. 2009 is old legacy software that should not be used unless there is absolutely no other way).

Well it did not work for me. Trillian is one of the most difficult to use messengers.Well you can't use it. And I think you have to upgrade to the paid version to use the voice and video calling feature.

But why Trilian for God sake? Why the most impossible to use messenger on the Internet?

Even the horrible Windows Live Messenger 2011 is better than that. At least you don't have to pay to use it. But WL Messenger 2011 is not very good anyway.

That's why I and everybody else is staying with Windows Live Messenger 2009 and Windows Live Essentials 2009. Andrea Borman.

[Wakers]

"I can't use Trillian because I can't figure it out, therefore no-one can use Trillian."

Geez Andrea, your logic is child-like. If neither Trillian, nor Digsby worked, why are they still being used by millions of people?

[nik louch]

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But Trillian I cannot figure out how to use it. And I don't think anybody else can. It is unusable.

It has a massive userbase. Just because you and your friends can't use it, what does that matter? Same with Digsby. Both are perfectly fine messenger apps (of which there are literally hundreds).

Your logic is nonsensical - "I - as someone who struggles with computers but believes I know what I am doing - cannot use it. Neither can my friends. (Or we can, but dislike that you have to pay for features). Thus it is unusable and doesn't work".

Nonsense. Sorry but the issue here is you, not the software. You want features of (A) in software (B) - but that's not how it works.

I had my last comment about how this feels a LOT like trolling removed, but the sentiment remains: If this were seen from another point of view, you'd see how ridiculous your ascertations are, and clearly are for a response.

[StrikedOut]

AndreaBorman, on 02 August 2012 - 05:57, said:

No you can't use Trillian. I cannot figure out how to use it and my friends could not either. And Digsby does not work. There is not many choice of chat messengers. As most of them are not user friendly,don't work or you cannot use them.

Just because you cant figure it out does not make it user unfriendly.

AndreaBorman, on 02 August 2012 - 05:57, said:

And just to clarify here are pictures of the latest version of Windows Live Messenger on Windows XP,which is the same one I use on Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8.

The latest build is WLE and WL Messenger 2009 14.0 8117.416. That is the build that is the latest one.There are other builds of WLE 2009 many of them,but they are older versions and not the latest version.

I think you are confusing the word latest for last. It has stopped being updated because it is legacy software.

AndreaBorman, on 02 August 2012 - 05:57, said:

Although of course Windows Live Mail 2009 is better than the 2011 version. At least WL Mail 2009 does not have the Ribbon. Andrea Borman.

Although of course Windows Live Mail 2011 is better than the 2009 version. At least WL Mail 2009 does have the Ribbon, added features and security.

Thing is the above line is personal taste so you prefer without the ribbon doesnt make it the better version.

[Andrea Borman]

Don't you think I am pushing mine and other Windows users luck, posting on the Internet here and on other sites how to avoid the horrible WLE 2011 version? I made a You Tube video about it last night.

If Microsoft find out they may block that way to use Windows Live Messenger 2009 version.

But there is also Johnathan Kay's blog and he is the man who invented a software called Messenger Reviver that blocks the upgrade to WL Messenger 2011 version.
See here-http://messengergeek.wordpress.com/

And there is another forum I found where more people are complaining about the forced upgrade to WLE 2011.See here-http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/26266.aspx?PageIndex=1

So a lot of people are unhappy with the forced upgrade to WLE 2011 and are staying with WLE 2009.And at the moment we are able to still run Windows Live Messenger 2009 version on Windows Vista,Windows 7 and Windows 8. Just by changing the program compatibility mode to Windows XP. And we still have Windows Live Essentials 2009. Andrea Borman.