Windows 7/8 productivity improvements?

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so touted productivity improvements of windows 7 would be

1. keyboard shortcuts

2. jumplists.

3. libraries

4. search

5..aero peek

6. pinning to taskbar

7. event viewer / monitor

8. UAC for security

i use/need none of these so i have to deal with the negatives of windows 7

1. huge size of windows install

in windows 8 it would further include

1. screwed up UI for mouse users and those who didnt use windows 7 productivity enhancement features like 1 2 3 6

i think windows 8 is getting massively in the way because of those 4 features of windows 7 which people in general don't use esp those who prefer using the mouse than keyboard.

i wish MS would make a separate OS for the tablet and a separate OS off of windows XP UI with a feature rich explorer minus the ribbon.

things which actually made the OS useful have been put in the windows live package. i.e. the bundled software and because of this Ms is coming up with so called 'enhancements and improvements' which are trivial and controversial.

on a sidenote facebook has ruined the messenger apps. so computing is basically in total confusion and stupid features which keep tripping you over in the name of ease of use have been incorporated to make the new OSes look great.

so what productivity improvements has windows 7/8 made for you over windows XPwhen you exclude the 1-8 features mentioned above?

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Massive kernel/shell improvements, new driver model/framework, system wide indexing, instant search, better file management, new installer base, 64bit support, hardware accelerated desktop rendering, new memory handler, better process dispatch/handler, UEFI support, support for SSDs, WDDM, signed driver framework, DirectX11 (plus layers 9 and 10 for 11), by extension: directwrite, improved sleep and hibernate, improved battery life, IPv6 support, powershell integration, improved network stack, aero snap, prefetch, massively improved security (outside of UAC)..

I could go on, but honestly it's just making me look like a show off at this point :\

You needing none of the features you listed does not inherently make them negatives. The fact that you feel you don't need them means that you feel you don't need to upgrade. Microsoft in no way shape or form forced you to update.

The install size of Windows shrank dramatically with Windows 7. If that's the only negative you can list, you are reaching..

Regarding the screw up of the UI; this is, again, extremely subjective. I am using my Windows 8 install in much the same way I did Windows 7. Interestingly enough, should I have chosen to, I can use 7 in the exact same way as I did XP. The reason I chose not to is that I am not a Luddite.

None of the things in my first list are trivial, and few of them are controversial. Windows Vista and 7 are leaps and bounds more secure than XP. This alone makes them worth the upgrade.

I can't say I disagree with your facebook/msn point. I do however wonder how you connected the facebook integration with WLM with the operating system :\

I'd keep going, but I suspect this it would just start to sound mean..

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  On 05/06/2012 at 15:34, articuno1au said:

Massive kernel/shell improvements, new driver model/framework, system wide indexing, instant search, better file management, new installer base, 64bit support, hardware accelerated desktop rendering, new memory handler, better process dispatch/handler, UEFI support, support for SSDs, WDDM, signed driver framework, DirectX11 (plus layers 9 and 10 for 11), by extension: directwrite, improved sleep and hibernate, improved battery life, IPv6 support, powershell integration, improved network stack, aero snap, prefetch, massively improved security (outside of UAC)..

I could go on, but honestly it's just making me look like a show off at this point :\

You needing none of the features you listed does not inherently make them negatives. The fact that you feel you don't need them means that you feel you don't need to upgrade. Microsoft in no way shape or form forced you to update.

The install size of Windows shrank dramatically with Windows 7. If that's the only negative you can list, you are reaching..

Regarding the screw up of the UI; this is, again, extremely subjective. I am using my Windows 8 install in much the same way I did Windows 7. Interestingly enough, should I have chosen to, I can use 7 in the exact same way as I did XP. The reason I chose not to is that I am not a Luddite.

None of the things in my first list are trivial, and few of them are controversial. Windows Vista and 7 are leaps and bounds more secure than XP. This alone makes them worth the upgrade.

I can't say I disagree with your facebook/msn point. I do however wonder how you connected the facebook integration with WLM with the operating system :\

I'd keep going, but I suspect this it would just start to sound mean..

did you even get what i'm talking about? i'm not talking baout under the hood changes.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 15:52, Tilt090 said:

im saying build on xp ui with a 7 core minus ribbon and minus the forced keyboard use.

What good would that do? You'd be wasting more time clicking around compared to Windows 7.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

so touted productivity improvements of windows 7 would be

1. keyboard shortcuts

2. jumplists.

3. libraries

4. search

5..aero peek

6. pinning to taskbar

7. event viewer / monitor

8. UAC for security

i use/need none of these so i have to deal with the negatives of windows 7

I can only echo the existing sentiments in this thread - just because you don't appreciate a feature doesn't make it unnecessary or not useful. With specific regard to search: I think it doesn't make sense that you'd hop onto Google to search for content via keywords, but not be able to translate that workflow to files that are on your computer.

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

1. huge size of windows install

This, of course, is becoming a larger and larger issue as the price per gigabyte of storage continues to rise.

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

in windows 8 it would further include

1. screwed up UI for mouse users and those who didnt use windows 7 productivity enhancement features like 1 2 3 6

Heh. Complaining about lack of productivity features on behalf of users who refuse to use productivity enhancement features?

The mouse still works fine. You point at things. You click on them. Things happen as you'd expect. My only complaint is that Microsoft's insistence that applications dictate scrolling behavior as opposed to the OS, combined with the incompetence of developers, has resulted in a wholly inconsistent and (IMO) embarrassing lack of consistency across every part of the OS.

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

i think windows 8 is getting massively in the way because of those 4 features of windows 7 which people in general don't use esp those who prefer using the mouse than keyboard.

Keyboard is faster, especially on higher resolution screens.

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

i wish MS would make a separate OS for the tablet and a separate OS off of windows XP UI with a feature rich explorer minus the ribbon.

We all know that people get horribly confused whenever there are more than two versions of an OS to choose from. I find it continually amazing that the majority of people can walk and breathe at the same time...

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:

things which actually made the OS useful have been put in the windows live package. i.e. the bundled software and because of this Ms is coming up with so called 'enhancements and improvements' which are trivial and controversial.

Just because you don't know how to use something doesn't mean that it is trivial.

  On 05/06/2012 at 15:13, Tilt090 said:
so what productivity improvements has windows 7/8 made for you over windows XPwhen you exclude the 1-8 features mentioned above?

Search.

UAC.

Jumplists.

Start screen live tiles.

Better keyboard shortcuts.

Live previews across the OS.

Yes, I'm mentioning these because they're relatively discoverable positives that are pretty silly to ignore. You may as well be asking, "well, apart from the positive aspects, what made you switch to Vista/7/8?"

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  On 05/06/2012 at 15:58, Dot Matrix said:

What good would that do? You'd be wasting more time clicking around to do stuff compared to Windows 7.

what good is forcing people to use the keyboard and memorise shortcuts doing? its a step backwards. less people will be able to use the computer without training.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:00, Tilt090 said:

what good is forcing people to use the keyboard and memorise shortcuts doing? its a step backwards. less people will be able to use the computer without training.

I don't recall being forced to use keyboard shortcuts in Windows 7.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:05, Tilt090 said:

'since' is the keyword.

by the way the key question of the thread is minus the 1-8 features how else are you using win 7/8 more productively .

You're basically asking me, how I'm using Windows 7, without Windows 7 features, which doesn't make sense. I'm more productive on Windows 7 BECAUSE of those features. The Ribbon and Search especially. Pinning apps and pages to the taskbar is also time saving.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:09, Dot Matrix said:

You're moving the goal post. You're basically asking me, how I'm using Windows 7, without Windows 7 features. I'm more productive on Windows BECAUSE of those features. The Ribbon and Search especially. Pinning apps and pages to the taskbar is also time saving.

exactly as an xp user who doesnt find any worth in those 7 features sell it to me. i dont find worth in those features and 8 being built on those features is running into so much resistance just because of that... those features are not worth it and so the mouse users havent taken to them else why should there be so much resistance to 8?

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:11, Tilt090 said:

exactly as an xp user who doesnt find any worth in those 7 features sell it to me. i dont find worth in those features and 8 being built on those features is running into so much resistance just because of that... those features are not worth it and so the mouse users havent taken to them else why should there be so much resistance to 8?

Huh? I think you're one of two people here that are complaining about the new features of Windows 7.

You're not making sense. Windows 7 doesn't force me to use the keyboard anymore than I did using XP.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:15, Dot Matrix said:

You're not making sense. Windows 7 doesn't force me to use the keyboard anymore than I did using XP.

post new replies dont keep adding to previous posts once ive replied to you.

the question is simple.1. sell 7 minus those features by answer how are YOU making productive use of win7 minus those 1-8 features better than XP

am i making sense? those 2 questions are CLEAR as clear can be.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:25, JOHW said:

Have you even used the features in Windows 7/8 for an extended period of time? How do you know those features are useless for you? They may sound useless to you, but once you use them, you can't go back to an archaic OS.

because ive been using 7 since it was beta and right now on it too with 8 RP in VM. archaic? define it and list how 7 is an improvement in the context of the original post.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:24, Tilt090 said:

how are YOU making productive use of win7 minus those 1-8 features better than XP

That's an impossible question. Again, you're asking me how I'm using Windows 7, without using Windows 7. If you want to ask "How are YOU more productive on Windows 7, compared to XP?", then you would get a better response from me.

Of course I'm going to take advantage of the improvements you included in that list, to make myself more productive. It's what sets the OS apart from XP.

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So you do not find the features useful in Win 7; why not just switch back to XP? Other people have moved on, but you are asking MS to rollback to a former state of 'productivity'?

Also you seem to be a strongly mouse person, but the feature improvements you mentioned are strongly mouse based: Jumplists, libraries, pin to taskbar. There exist keyboard shortcuts for those who like to access the same features available to the mouse.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:29, Dot Matrix said:

That's an impossible question. Again, you're asking me how I'm using Windows 7, without using Windows 7. If you want to ask "How are YOU more productive on Windows 7, compared to XP?", then you would get a better response from me.

Of course I'm going to take advantage of the improvements you included in that list, to make myself more productive. It's what sets the OS apart from XP.

i'd be pleased to escort you out of the thread sir if you're not able to answer my query. thanks for your time.

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  On 05/06/2012 at 16:31, Tilt090 said:

i'd be pleased to escort you out of the thread sir if you're not able to answer my query. thanks for your time.

Lol. Than this thread needs locked, because you're never going to get an answer. You can't ask people how they are more productive on Windows 7, and than present a catch 22 by taking away all possible answers. That's not how these things work. Just because YOU don't use these features, doesn't mean others do. I have seen much evidence of the contrary. Many users on here ARE taking advantage of those new features.

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