AMD OR INTEL?

[AMDTBurnt]

And I can say that AthlonXP's eat like a hell of a lot of more power and wastes in the form of heat which has to be removed Air conditioning. Also, it contributes to the global heating crisis.

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Originally posted by Heinrich-X

i did read every post before i posted, all 6 pages.....i just saw that Goalie_CA said something about comparing the actual companies and I thought i would say something about it

i don't understand you guys jumping on my a$$ after a post....it used to be drewster (drewster2001 or something like that) criticizing my posts, and now i got you or PM5K attacking me, i don't jump at you or anyone else for that matter unless they do it to me first and even then i mostly don't

i guess you are a mod or something else important here at neowin and well, i would think you would set a better example

PS: don't ban me, i know you can and could be very well angry enough to do so

Im sorry, your right, i was being a bit of an.. "[]". These amd vs intel threads just bring out the worst in me :) Yes I am a mod, and no, of course i wont ban you

[Heinrich-X]

Originally posted by AMDTBurnt

Intel changed their architecture to something more advanced so that AMD couldn't copy them... so.. At least the P4 has potential to go somewhere. AXP processors are gonna hit the top, just like the TBirds hit 1.4 GHz.

absolutly right, palomino hits the limit at 1.8ghz, thoroughbred will at about 2.1ghz....even the Hammer won't have the scalability of the P4, P4 will be at 3.5ghz when the Hammer gets to 2.7ghz (AMD can only hope)

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Unless you have a crystal ball forcasting the future Heinrich-X, stop saying things that probably isnt true. You could be right, but probably wrong.

[AMDTBurnt]

he's right and you can't even compare the hammer, thats a 64 bit processor

[Heinrich-X]

i accumlated that info from a couple of hardware sites that clearly state that palomino hits its limit at 1.8ghz while P4 can scale up to about 4ghz....as for hammer scalability that is not for certain but once again taken from respectable hardware sites....so no i have no crystal ball...i just read a lot

BTW, sites i am referring to are tomshardware, anandtech and hexus

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This is true, but you have to keep in mind, Intel and AMD are both companies, they can both discover new things. Just like Intel announced that there 5 GHz processor wont even need a heatsink, AMD can bridge a gap, so you never know.

I also want you to know I dont LOVE AMD as much as most people do here, I think INTEL makes good processors as well, I know AMD performs better in Benchmakrs and games, and costs less, so that is why i choose AMD over Intel. however, My next processor will probably be a P4, because I like quiet, but if the new hammer or throughbred series of AMD processors can keep cool with the new .13, then it will most likely be one of them. Just felt like clearing this up :)

[vraa]

i was thinking.. when the t-breds come out whats next for intel? are they gonna keep the P4 cuz won't they get seroiusly whooped up because if the AXP's keep up even with around 700mhz differences what will the t-breds do to them? just a thought

with the motherboards when someone mentions the 760MP and it seemed like they were dissing it. i don't want to start a flame war or anything but i do wish to say that please have some experiance with the MP before you diss it. If you were talking about the MPX then i still might have to disagree but only partly. (the usb situations with MPX)

i have a tyan tiger mp 2460 i belive and i have NO PROBlems what so ever. I only had one problem and guess what.. that was with my geforce3.. theres only a driver situation but now theres a registry fix for it. i guess that takes care of that

the 5ghz without hsf will be tight, hope AMD can do that.. also i heard that apple might go to intel, not sure.. i hope not.. that would be a real monopoly

i'm not saying that intel sux0rz at making cpu's, they rock, i just have no respect for them because, well, i grew up in a house where we had great AMD supprt and intel was bad.

this may be a problem with my friend but he has a 1.1ghz cpu and its crazy, some hardware tests say he has a celeron and some a P3 some a P4!.. i told him to get that Intel product identifier thing.. i hope he does cuz i wanna bench his 1.1intel to my 950amd.. that will be fun

AMD's aren't all that fast.. heatsink/fan wise i mean.. if i remember correctly my fans (stock) are running at around 4800rpms.. might be wrong tho i am grounded from my computer for being a bad boy :)

my temps are also just a tad bit below 40C, because i have applied the thermaltake premium paste. not that pink stuff... i have dual 1800+ on the tyan with a gig of ddr ecc ram and the geforce3

[AMDTBurnt]

Man, if you wanna go into MP disccusion, why don't you look @ the Dual P4s with hyperthreading?

[=NickJ=]

Originally posted by AMDTBurnt

may I remind you that its prolly overclocked and in real world benchmarks, P4s are much faster. Also, look @ the top score @ www.madonion.com, you'll find that P4s dominnate.

ROFLMAO

Thats the funniest thing i've heard all day "they're prolly overclocked". No seriously surely this is a joke of some kind?

It's not?

:s

[tomwarren Veteran]

*DICK HEAD ALERT*

AMDTBurnt is making a prat out of himself

Intel P4 = 0.13

Amd XP = 0.18

Wait till T-Breds come out from AMD and watch what happens to your "Madonion" benchmarks...not only will AMD STILL dominate in gaming, benchmarks and EVERYTHING but it will have the same amount of microns as the P4, with 0.13 microns the power consumption will lower...overheating and running @ high temps like every Intel cock sucker says will not even happen.

Just face it my 2000+ can smoke any P4 :p P4s suck major dick in everything...they are good at Quake3 but give a **** they r0x!

[superbeast]

Originally posted by creamhackered

*DICK HEAD ALERT*

AMDTBurnt is making a prat out of himself

Intel P4 = 0.13

Amd XP = 0.18

Wait till T-Breds come out from AMD and watch what happens to your "Madonion" benchmarks...not only will AMD STILL dominate in gaming, benchmarks and EVERYTHING but it will be up with the likes of the P4

my 2000+ can smoke any P4 :p P4s suck major dick

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I like it.

[PM5K]

I think we could all avoid these discussions (if we wanted to) by telling whoever asks to go go google and search for reviews.

I never asked which cpu was better, I searched on google for reviews and found out for myself with unbiased (hopefully) opinions from reviewers.

It's that simple.

You read the review, you make the call.

[PM5K]

creamhackered that's uncalled for, it only takes one person to light the fire, and then things get out of hand.

[=NickJ=]

Originally posted by Heinrich-X

i saw a post earlier on about instead of comparing processors, comparing companies

when you compare AMD and Intel as companies and not CPUs there is no argument....Intel wins

They make the best CPUs, the best chipsets (what the hell is up with the AMD 760?), good mobos (AMD has never made a mobo to my knowledge), they have a virtual monopoly on the pocket pc market with the StrongARM, there R&D is so good intel basically sets most PC standards like AGP or PCI or 3GIO, the only major market Intel doesn't own in is graphics cards (but wouldn't a Intel card be cool?)

Just so ya know, Intel didn't make the StrongARM processor, it was designed by a company called ARM (a spin-off from Apple, how ironic) and then licensed to Intel (hence the name).

http://www.arm.com/armtech/StrongARM?OpenDocument

http://www.arm.com/aboutarm/milestones?OpenDocument (see 1998)

ARM are the leaders in Mobile chips because they specialise in making microprocessors, a quick look around that site will give you an idea.

[freeza]

if all you care about are benchmarks

go with amd

if you want a quiet system that isnt its own heater and that you dont have to pamper with all types of cooling agents with wicked names and is reliable

go with intel

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On a side note, how long has intel been .13 ?

[tomwarren Veteran]

Pentium 3 processors at 1.33ghz are 0.13 so not too long really, its been mainly implemented into P4

[PM5K]

Originally posted by freeza

if all you care about are benchmarks

go with amd

if you want a quiet system that isnt its own heater and that you dont have to pamper with all types of cooling agents with wicked names and is reliable

go with intel

Another person hanging on to that the last straw that he can.

So what are you going to grasp at when AMD makes the move to .13 and the processors run cooler ?

[tomwarren Veteran]

Originally posted by PM5K

Another person hanging on to that the last straw that he can.

So what are you going to grasp at when AMD makes the move to .13 and the processors run cooler ?

Lol EXACTLY

[freeza]

well first of all that hasnt happened so you cant make predictions about it

secondly who's to say that moving to 0.13 will their cheap made processors any cooler

they've proven to be heaters for as long as i can remember

even my cheap k6-2 400 mhz processor heats my room

but in any case it doesnt matter to me because at the end of the day i'll still be satisfied with my p3,celeron,p4

so if you think im holding on to whatever then go ahead :D

all i know is i have more to go on than benchmarks thats for sure

like im going to spend my computing day crunching benchmarks just to brag about my poorly made processor that i have to buy a special cooler and use special gel then brag about my case that has 5000 fans on it , the thing would probably be able to fly if you dropped it out of a window but anyway.

regardless of how many of these arguments go on im sticking to what i've already got ;D

when all you AMD supporters can come up with something more than a benchmark like say ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.....oh wait..i've seen that too.....coughVIASUCKScough....yeah they're so much better

but everytime i turn around some person who talks a lot of garbage about how much this outperforms that has problems up the rectum about a via chipset.

while us lowerclass people that have processors,chipsets,motherboards made by a reliable company sit back and overclock and laugh at how many times you have to upgrade and fiddle with your 4 in 1s take out pci cards move them to diff slots.......use every trick in the book to get your cool AMD system running well just to reach your cool status

[=NickJ=]

ka-ka-ka-ching!

PM5K hits the jackpot

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

I posted the screenshots to show you all comparisons.

While the Pentium 4 is a good processor, AMD simply makes the same thing for cheaper.

The downside of this of course is the heat dissipitation, and requires a larger FAN/Heatsink and cooling in the case.

Pentium 4's don't require much cooling at all, but Iv'e read many sites where they tell stories of how the P4 was rushed and has all these bugs in them etc...

However, If money is a issue, I suggest the AMD, and some $$$ for a good heatsink/fan.

As I posted in the benchmarking tests a few pages back, the Athlon 1800+ (that runs at 1.54Ghz) will beat an Pentium 4 @ 2GHz, and you will pay about half the price of a P4....

[=NickJ=]

And what is it with Intel people going ott with the fan situation?! "I don't like having a jet plane in my room blah blah blah". Good for you, i think most people wouldn't like a jet plane in their room. And as for the "heating your room" situation. LOL dont make me laugh, its drastic comments like that that get Intel fans the rep for not being able to have a sensible AMD vs. Intel discussion. At least AMD fans stick to benchmarks which actually have some credibility unlike Intel fan's over-dramatisations of the whole cooling situation. And don't come back with "If your HSF falls off you're screwd blah blah". If you're stupid enough that your HSF falls off because you didn't attach it correctly then you shouldnt be building a system in the first place! And if you take it off deliberately then you wallet is obviously too small for your fifties.

I have a 1.4Ghz T-bird CPU with a standard Coolermaster HSF (cost me like ?10 and runs at 5400rpm), standard case (?40) with NO other fans, and the thing runs fine!

So PLEASE, can we stick the conversation to sensible things like Hyperthreading, IPC, Memory bandwidth, Cost etc.. and not how the Boeing R&D dept. are buying Irdawood's case off him as part of their research into new jet engines (lol sorry mate i love that case really).

EDIT: If CPU temps really are what floats your boat then someone (sorry don't know who but i would like to give credit) made the very good point that for the ??? difference between Athlons and P4s, you can afford not only a decent heatsink, but some decent soundproofing as well and still have ??? left over (maybe add more mem to whip that P4 ev:D more :D)

[freeza]

when you get done buying all the crap to make your computer actually run reliably (heatsink with a strange name to make it sound cool even tho its really just a heatsink,fan with the same namnig scheme to make it sound real great,thermal paste or whatever,more fans, sacrifice your room for an air lock so you cant listen to music in peace unless you have headphones or just blast it) it'll equal out to be the same as a quiet well made pentium 4