freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 ya i guess the noise and the heat really doesnt make sense to argue about even though OEM vendors favor intel processors......and they always will if AMD were so great they would have a larger share of things instead of power users who hate people/companies that make good things and always want to favor the under dog (linux, AMD) just so they can be named as a "power user" because they dont use what the majority of people use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted April 5, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 5, 2002 freeza were u born a fool or did u just acquire it over the years? 0.13 microns are DESIGNED to use LESS POWER therefore this means LESS heat which brings down temperatures as well, get it? Hence the fact a P4 will run @ about 20-30 whereas a Athlon XP will run @ about 40-50. 0.18 consumes a hell of a lot more power than 0.13 and if u dont believe me search on google.com or tomshardware and u will see :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by Nick_Jones ...I have a 1.4Ghz T-bird CPU with a standard Coolermaster HSF (cost me like ?10 and runs at 5400rpm), standard case (?40) with NO other fans, and the thing runs fine!... Is English not your first language? Plus i edited so please re-read. This is why these arguments go nowhere, because ppl like Freeza refuse to admit that AMD now actually make some quality products. Believe me i was an Intel fan up until the Athlon, but the performance (and the fact that its been socket462 the whole way, unlike the PPGA, socket 423, socket 428 line) changed me instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza ya i guess the noise and the heat really doesnt make sense to argue about even though OEM vendors favor intel processors......and they always will if AMD were so great they would have a larger share of things instead of power users who hate people/companies that make good things and always want to favor the under dog (linux, AMD) just so they can be named as a "power user" because they dont use what the majority of people use. Now that's just stupid, if P4's out benched XP's and cost half the price or less I'd be using a P4, regardless of what the general public uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 its true thats the point no need to flame me about it im just speaking the truth which is why people diss compaq,hp you arent a power user til you build your own system yada yada regardless if 0.13 uses less power this is AMD we're talking about here :) i've never seen people get so heated (no pun intended) over a stupid processor argument...at the end of the day you will still have your crappy processors to complain about the next day when somethin goes wrong and you have to download 150 mb of via drivers :cheeky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza ya i guess the noise and the heat really doesnt make sense to argue about even though OEM vendors favor intel processors......and they always will if AMD were so great they would have a larger share of things instead of power users who hate people/companies that make good things and always want to favor the under dog (linux, AMD) just so they can be named as a "power user" because they dont use what the majority of people use. Lol u do make me laugh. Yeh course i sit in my room at home and everywhere i can on the internet i spread the word that i am a "power user" cos i have an athlon. What i actually do, is take the money i've saved, and use it to have a good time with my mates, which, judging by things, you can't have many of. Imagine you were trying to take on a market like this where Intel have dominated for such a long time, personally i think AMD are doing a damn good job of it and the best of luck to them. And OEMs dont stock Athlon PCs because Intel like to bend them over the counter and say they can't have P4s at a rediculously low price if they stock Athlons. Statements like "you wanna be a power user" is getting trivial. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by PM5K Now that's just stupid, if P4's out benched XP's and cost half the price or less I'd be using a P4, regardless of what the general public uses. two jackpots in one night, you must be rich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted April 5, 2002 Veteran Share Posted April 5, 2002 lol heh I don't have a VIA Chipset cos they are crap so i won't be downloading 150meg of Via **** :p I ain't getting overheated :) just think its annoying ppl don't recognise that AMD DO produce GOOD processors. OEMs DO USE AMD u know HP, Compaq, Packard Bell etc etc use Durons and Athlons etc and even Dell were gonna till M$ stamped on them :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by Nick_Jones Lol u do make me laugh. Yeh course i sit in my room at home and everywhere i can on the internet i spread the word that i am a "power user" cos i have an athlon. What i actually do, is take the money i've saved, and use it to have a good time with my mates, which, judging by things, you can't have many of. Imagine you were trying to take on a market like this where Intel have dominated for such a long time, personally i think AMD are doing a damn good job of it and the best of luck to them. And OEMs dont stock Athlon PCs because Intel like to bend them over the counter and say they can't have P4s at a rediculously low price if they stock Athlons. Statements like "you wanna be a power user" is getting trivial. Grow up. yeah yeah yeah same old story i've still got a p3 and you've still got an athlon calm down buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza its true thats the point no need to flame me about it im just speaking the truth which is why people diss compaq,hp you arent a power user til you build your own system yada yada regardless if 0.13 uses less power this is AMD we're talking about here :) i've never seen people get so heated (no pun intended) over a stupid processor argument...at the end of the day you will still have your crappy processors to complain about the next day when somethin goes wrong and you have to download 150 mb of via drivers :cheeky: I've had my PC about 5months now. Number of days downtime? Zero. If you know how to build a PC, it will work, regardless of processor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza yeah yeah yeah same old story i've still got a p3 and you've still got an athlon calm down buddy Lol it ain't like im shouting, just stating my point :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 search through the forums and tell that to the countless numbers of people making threads asking whats wrong with their computer it doesnt matter if you're a god at making computers things have bugs and the way you build it wont make the bugs go away til you download things to fix it or bitch at the right people til they fix it if building computers had anything to do with chipset problems you could just tell people to go get a philips screwdriver and flame them for not knowing how to tighten screws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by creamhackered lol heh I don't have a VIA Chipset cos they are crap so i won't be downloading 150meg of Via **** :p I ain't getting overheated :) just think its annoying ppl don't recognise that AMD DO produce GOOD processors. OEMs DO USE AMD u know HP, Compaq, Packard Bell etc etc use Durons and Athlons etc and even Dell were gonna till M$ stamped on them :s Yeh none o that VIA sh*te for us innit cream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza search through the forums and tell that to the countless numbers of people making threads asking whats wrong with their computer it doesnt matter if you're a god at making computers things have bugs and the way you build it wont make the bugs go away til you download things to fix it or bitch at the right people til they fix it if building computers had anything to do with chipset problems you could just tell people to go get a philips screwdriver and flame them for not knowing how to tighten screws OK, point taken, but its mostly the VIA chipsets who the problems are with. And quite a lot of the time those problems are operator error :cheeky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza which is why people diss compaq,hp Nope, people diss them because they make inferrior products, an example was the guy the other day that had a prebuilt P4 1.5GHZ with 128mb SDRAM and a GeForce 2 MX 200, they put together crap like that. They also leave out things like a real BIOS, voltage control, fsb and multiplier manipulation, fans, restore cd's, thermal sensors, etc. Not to mention all the OEM crap they put on your copy of Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by creamhackered lol heh I don't have a VIA Chipset cos they are crap so i won't be downloading 150meg of Via **** :p I ain't getting overheated :) just think its annoying ppl don't recognise that AMD DO produce GOOD processors. OEMs DO USE AMD u know HP, Compaq, Packard Bell etc etc use Durons and Athlons etc and even Dell were gonna till M$ stamped on them :s yes but notice how the durons (low end processors so i guess they dont count) and athlons are used in their low end systems...if you go with a $2000 system from an oem vendor its most likely going to be a p4 who cares if intel doesnt like them selling amd procesosrs,,,,they know the majority of the public wont want to get one and even so....they're so superior to intel so why would any oem vendor listen to the bitching of an inferior company? hell microsoft knows it .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDTBurnt Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 haha, by the time AMD gets to .13, Intel will already be like @ .10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMDTBurnt Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 I've had my P3 1 GHz now. Downtime? zero too! and it has an uptime of almost 5 weeks now! Its a laptop processsor too? Have you seen anybody with 5 weeks uptime laptop? No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 heh the athlon "4" another coincidence? i dont think so it'd burn your lap off if you were to use it for more than 1 hour we can have a calm discussion about how much you want to believe AMD is the god of all processors **** im glad they're around to keep the price war but other than that they're another Sega who will die with the rest of them in due time. i dont think anything anybody says in this thread will change anybodies mind about what they like so its all in fun...dont take it too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza yes but notice how the durons (low end processors so i guess they dont count) and athlons are used in their low end systems...if you go with a $2000 system from an oem vendor its most likely going to be a p4 Lol come on freeza m8 thats a bit stupid, you know they're cheaper (who says low-end?) just cos the processors are cheaper. Originally posted by freeza hell microsoft knows it .... i've got magazines with adverts for WinXP saying "Optimised for AthlonXP" and then a bunch of benchmark tests on the page (yes it was an M$ ad) :roll: Originally posted by PM5KNope, people diss them because they make inferrior products, an example was the guy the other day that had a prebuilt P4 1.5GHZ with 128mb SDRAM and a GeForce 2 MX 200, they put together crap like that. So true, i was round at my mate's house the other day formatting his P4 1.5Ghz (256Mb RDRAM) and when WinXP was installed, it didn't run that much better than b4. I was like "wtf?! what's wrong?". After a lil investigation i found out that it had a 5400rpm HD with a 9.9ms access time in there, which slows Windows down a hell of a lot (cream'll back me up on that one). Course he has a 17'' LCD connected via DVI to his GeForce3 but still.....lol *jealous* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemo Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by AMDTBurnt I've had my P3 1 GHz now. Downtime? zero too! and it has an uptime of almost 5 weeks now! Its a laptop processsor too? Have you seen anybody with 5 weeks uptime laptop? No... no, i have seen 3 weeks... but uhh... i have also seen an overclocked athlon run win2k for about 3 and a half months... is that okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faction Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by freeza when you get done buying all the crap to make your computer actually run reliably (heatsink with a strange name to make it sound cool even tho its really just a heatsink,fan with the same namnig scheme to make it sound real great,thermal paste or whatever,more fans, sacrifice your room for an air lock so you cant listen to music in peace unless you have headphones or just blast it) it'll equal out to be the same as a quiet well made pentium 4 Your retarded, Heatsinks make a huge difference on temperatures, god, check any site www.ipkonfig.com, www.amdmb.com Different heatsinks are completely different, a stock heatsink for a pentium 3 is plastic, with a 5 mm fan, my heatsink has a copperbase, and the main fins are all aluminum,. Also, comparq/dell etc suck, because there motherboards are crap,and they leave out pretty much the entire BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Originally posted by AMDTBurnt haha, by the time AMD gets to .13, Intel will already be like @ .10 AMD are almost there, check the roadmaps. Do you know anything about AMD processors?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM5K Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 freeza you'd better be glad AMD is around, your already get screwed to the tune of twice the price (at least), imagine if AMD wasn't around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=NickJ= Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 Lol we woke faction with our ranting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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