Mac OS X 'Leopard'-related Discussion

[osirisX]

Well, you might :p That would be cool if the keyboards have the corresponding icons but what if you change the shortcut? A texta might come handy :o

[.Neo]

lol.

Well I doubt many people would change the Expos? keyboard shortcuts to something else. It seems to be working fine with the MacBook Pro so I wouldn't mind seeing it on the desktop-based keyboards aswel.:))

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

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Changes in Leopard Since 9A321

- HIToolbox provides new HIRect/Point/Shape-based Window Manager API for resolution independence compatibility

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I think that's the most important thing, it's been opened up to devs.

And also, that known bugs list isn't that much, Vista had a whole bunch of bugs not that long before release date, basically the dev's finish off the features then go into hard-core bug squashing.

[Xero]

I'm sure theres many things about Leopard kept under the hood so no one can see them, but I expect them to be ready to release in Spring, I also agree that March date doesn't seem likely, I think Mid April - Mid May, is a more realistic date. Leopard will be released before the iPhone as its likely many features of it will tie into Leopard directly as its said to be running the same OS just stripped down.

[divinatum]

After a little bit of time with 9a343 I can say it's performance is... bad. Really bad.

But some new changes in System Pref's look very promising.

New Bluetooth syspref design

There are 7 pages of effects for Photo Booth now.

Also, there are 2 new screensavers. Video coming soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Qufw9DYMU

That's all I can remember now.

[.Neo]

After a little bit of time with 9a343 I can say it's performance is... bad. Really bad.

From what I remember from the Mac OS X Tiger betas is that performance took a real hit halfway down the road, but was then restored & improved with the release of the last two or three builds before GM.

[Syphonic]

Anyone got a mirror of the screenshots? The site is down and the mirror site is down aswell :(

Arabesque looks really cool.

[.Neo]

There was nothing to see really. Quick Look and the Spotlight window, both posted here before.

[DrunkenMaster]

When the performance drops like that its usally extra debugging info turned on so they can catch more bugs.

Time machine and the possibility of using XFS as a file system are sweet. I'm hoping like with Sun XFS it will be as easy to setup a RAID 0+1 array across a network. I really want that kind of solution w/o having to buy more hardware or other solutions. I don't care of the computational cost since I'm doing work and no games on my system.

I'm really itching to try out Leopard and Office 2008. If both are really significant improvements, I'm going to buy a Mac Pro within the next year and upgrade from an iMac G5. Heck iWork seems really cool. I'm hoping iTunes 8 comes out with Leopard ... iT 7 is a dog. I only hope a new Mac Pro with cheaper RAM options surfaces and cheaper apple monitors (I know you can use other brands, but I'd rather get the Apple monitor. The casing looks nice :) ).

[the evn show]

Retro Screensaver + GLTerminal = 1985 all over.

[osirisX]

Would it be possible to get a screenshot of those new Photo Booth effects?

[GM_Axis]

From that YouTube video (thanks, by the way!) the Retro screensaver pretty much looks like the coolest idea for a screensaver ever. Like, what a cool way to have a nostalgic throwback, not actually take you away from your deskop, and still get the screensaver job done of not allowing image burn through movement and shifting colors.

[lav-chan]

Time machine and the possibility of using XFS as a file system are sweet. I'm hoping like with Sun XFS it will be as easy to setup a RAID 0+1 array across a network. I really want that kind of solution w/o having to buy more hardware or other solutions. I don't care of the computational cost since I'm doing work and no games on my system.

It's ZFS. XFS is a file system designed by SGI for their IRIX operating system (and part of the Linux kernel since like 2.4).

ZFS is probably gonna be one of the best things though. HFS+ is a hack on a hack on a hack and it's like older than i am.

cheaper apple monitors

rofl

[.Neo]

ZFS is probably gonna be one of the best things though. HFS+ is a hack on a hack on a hack and it's like older than i

Yeah HFS is basically what Apple used for the past 22 years. HFS+ is just an updated version to accomodate modern needs (bigger file sizes, max partition size, journaling etc.).

[PyX]

Those screenshots bring nothing new, but I like them... dunno why really. They just re-did something that was nicely done already.

ZFS is better at handling small files - it will be very performant on many systems, that's clear.

I can't wait to see more resolution independance screenshots... that don't look messed up ;)

[.Neo]

More confirmation about a possible March release of Mac OS X Leopard, iLife '07 and iWork '07.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0702leopardilife.html

[KeR]

I highly doubt March as the release date...just look at the image Apple used to invite people to WWDC07, it looks to me to be hinting at a June release.

[.Neo]

Or you might search for too much in that single image. ;) At this point it's anyone's guess.

[tronmaster]

Wasn't Tiger released in March and Apple's Developer conference was in the summer. So a possible March release of Leopard is not out of the question.

[crazzyyfool]

That image of the Time Machine interface with the June dates. Well, doesn't Time Machine allow you to go back in time. So, even though they have June dates listed, maybe a March release date may be a possibility. :whistle:

[.Neo]

Wasn't Tiger released in March and Apple's Developer conference was in the summer. So a possible March release of Leopard is not out of the question.

I believe Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger hit GM on April 28, 2004 and went for sale in May. So yeah, a March release is definitely possible.

That image of the Time Machine interface with the June dates. Well, doesn't Time Machine allow you to go back in time. So, even though they have June dates listed, maybe a March release date may be a possibility. :whistle:

lol

[Lasker]

I want to buy a macbook and I think I should wait, cause Apple does not offer you a free upgrade like when you buy a windows xp laptop couple months before the release of Vista.

[.Neo]

I believe Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger hit GM on April 28, 2004 and went for sale in May.

Obviously I meant April 2005. :p ;)

[Xero]

I doubt Leopard will be released in March, but it does hint to the possibility of it still shipping with its planned Spring release. I agree with KeR it looks like June might be the release with it being WWDC, but who knows at this point, that event is likely to feature the final feature list of the iPhone as its close to its launch, but I don't think Apple will be delaying the OS' launch if they are finishing it up faster than planned. Although they might want to delay its release with the whole stock option issue, as it will stunt stocks growth, its best to let it fade away before releasing it to ensure stock will rise steadily.

[divinatum]

I have a feeling the March date quoted by ThinkSecret might turn out to be true.

10.4.9 Just had another seed the other day with alot of fixes and no Known Issues... So I think development on that is winding down... and I don't think Apple has ever released a point release before a major release. (10.3.9 came after 10.4 was released iirc.)

Here's the changelog/seednotes

Known Issues

- None

Focus Areas

Please focus your testing on:

- .Mac Connectivity

- Adobe Flash

- AirPort

- Apple's USB Modem

- Audio

- Automator

- bash

- bind

- Bluetooth

- Bonjour

- Dashboard Widgets

- Disk Images

- FireWire

- Fonts (OpenType fonts)

- gnutar

- Graphics

- iCal

- iChat Video Conferencing

- iSync

- OpenSSH

- Rosetta

- sudo

- USB

Areas of Change

New in this seed:

- Fixed issue with ImageIO and importing FCP files

- Fixed problem with network printing and AppleTalk

- Fixed issue with Rosetta and float conversion

- Fixed issue with automatically joining trusted AirPort networks after reboot

- Fixed issue with OpenGL and ATI PBO

From previous seeds:

- Fixed issue with OpenGL Programmability and graphic cards

- Fixed problem with OpenGL Framework and gleCommandProcessor

- Fixed issue with GraphicsDrivers Common Code and memory leaks

- Fixed issue with CoreImage and the cropping of multiple images

- Fixed issue with Sync Services Engine

- Fixed issue with ImageIO and the exporting of ISO data

- Fixed problem with CoreData Framework and multiple accessing programs

- Fixed issue with iSync and phone conduit

- Fixed issue with OpenGL Rosetta and DrawBuffersSimple

- Fixed problem with USB and isoch endpoint

- Fixed issue with OpenGL Programmability

- Fixed problem with OpenGL Framework and gleCommandProcessor

- Fixed issue with OpenGL and VM_ALLOCATE

- Fixed issue with CoreImage and exporting

- Fixed problem with File Manager and FSReadFork/FSWriteFork

- Fixed issue with Text Services Manager and background documents

- Fixed issue with CoreAudio where sound may fade in and out in some cases

- Fixed problem with Smartcard and securityd

- Fixed issue with X11 Xplugin and 256 color mode

- Fixed issue with Rosetta and rint

- Fixed problem with dyld

- Fixed issue with USB Isoc receivers

- Fixed issue with wake from Sleep and SecurityAgent

- Fixed issue with Rosetta and cache

- Fixed issue with Bluetooth and Bluetooth mouse when waking from sleep

- Fixed issue with ConsoleUser/SecureConsoleUser and IOKit Kernel

- Fixed issue with 'at' command and system_cmds

- Fixed onkeyup/onkeydown issue with WebCore JavaScript

- Fixed problem with rsync and extended attributes

- Fixed issue with NAT-PMP and port mapping

- Fixed issue where KEV_DL_IF_ATTACHED was not being received by kext

- Fixed issue with Color Sync and V4 profiles

- Fixed issue with MSDOS FS

- Issue where .m4v file extensions may not be recognized has been fixed

- Fixed issue with copying read-only files Xsan/UFS-backed AFP volumes

- Fixed issue with DVD Player

- Fixed problem with Crash Reporter

- Fixed issue with headset pairing and Bluetooth

- Fixed issue with incorrect time zones in certain areas

- Fixed problem with enabling/disabling Bluetooth

- Fixed issue with rsync and the copying of mod times

- Fixed problem with .Mac and Sync Services

- Addressed issue with USB modem recording level

- Fixed syncing issue with internal and external modem driver

- Fixed DRON/DROF issue with USB modem

- Fixed problem where USB modem may not detect busy tone

- Fixed issue with CFNetwork and network-aware USB devices

- Fixed issue with Sync Services and Address Book

- Fixed problem with USBInterfaceOpen and IOUSBLib

- Fixed issue with QC Engine

- Fixed problem with Kerberos OpenSSH patch

- Fixed problem with Open SSH and LaunchDaemon

- Fixed issue with HLTB Events (Carbon)

- Fixed issue with HLTB Accessibility (Carbon)

- Fixed issue with HLTB Control Manager (Carbon)

- Fixed issue with HLTB Windows (Carbon)

- Fixed issue with HID and IOKit

- Fixed problem with PDFKit and MalloGuardEdges

- Fixed issue with CoreAudio and MIDI files

- Fixed problem with natd NAT-PMP and port mapping

- Fixed problem with USB Isoc receivers

- Fixed issue with Rossetta applications and printing with SMB home directory

- Fixed gssapi-with-mic and Open SSH issue

- Fixed issue with Unix 'at' command

- Fixed problem with CoreData Framework

- Fixed problem with CUPS

- Fixed issue with Network Diagnostics and WPA2 encryption

- Fixed issue where internal modem may not sync with external modem driver

- Fixed problem with CFNetwork and network-aware USB devices

- Fixed issue with dyld

- Fixed issue with MSDOS FS

- Fixed issue with Sync Services and Address Book

- Fixed problem with Apple internal modem and busy tone detection

- Fixed problem with Kerberos OpenSSH patch

- Fixed problem with Open SSH and LaunchDaemon

- Fixed issue with SMB File Server

- Fixed problem with IOkit Kernel

- Fixed issue with connecting a system to display while in Sleep mode

- Fixed problem with WebCore JavaScript and onkeyup/onkeydown event handler

- Issue where .m4v file extensions may not be recognized has been fixed

- Fixed issue with File Systems and copying read-only files

- Fixed issue with Software Update and format string

- Fixed problem with Sync Services Engine

- Fixed issue with rsync and extended attributes

- Fixed issue with Sync Services and .Mac Sync

- Addressed USB Modem and record level

- Fixed issue with Universal Access preferences pane

- Fixed problem with USB Modem and caller ID

- Fixed problem with Bluetooth and device pairing

- Fixed issue where USB modem may not detect busy tone

- Fixed issue with QC Engine

- Fixed issue with CoreGraphics and HID Manager

- Fixed issue with PDFKit and MallocGuardEdges

- Issue with Automator Actions and generated text fixed

- Fixed issue with .Mac and syncing