Malaysia Airlines 'loses contact with plane' (and search effort updates)

[macoman]

I am surprise that if the airplane was really hijacked, the pirates have not contact malaysia or china to acknowledge this.

[DocM]

That could be because it has an alternative use which hasn't yet played out, see 9/11, and the occupants were "expendable." Load it upwith explosives and it makes for a helluva flying bomb.

[neufuse Veteran]

Wonder if someone "ditched" the plan near an island somewhere like did a water landing near land...

[Dot Matrix]

Iran's nuclear facilities are located just beyond the outskirts of Esfahan/Isfahan.

There is a strategy of 'shadowing'.

The stolen aircraft flies above a ligit plane in flight, and masks the other from radar.

That would be difficult to do. Especially for a possible hijacker.

[Hum]

I am surprise that if the airplane was really hijacked, the pirates have not contact malaysia or china to acknowledge this.

There is the theory that possible hijackers gave up on their terror strike, and ditched the plane -- not taking credit for failure.

 

Who knows.

[Hum]

https://twitter.com/JonahFisher/status/444754310677553153

Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border. (BBC Reporter)

[Arachno 1D]

I think there is a possibility there was a person or persons of interest to an unspecified nation country on-board the aircraft and the aircraft will be inside a secure facility somewhere whilst these people are interrogated,

[Lamp0]

I think there is a possibility there was a person or persons of interest to an unspecified nation country on-board the aircraft and the aircraft will be inside a secure facility somewhere whilst these people are interrogated,

 

That's sounds far to exciting.

[Arachno 1D]

Israel is within the estimated range

[macoman]

Israel is within the estimated range

They will deny any involvement and will accuse Iran of sabotage.

[Hum]

CNN is reporting that USA officials are now focused on the cockpit crew, and say the the flight turn to the west was preprogrammed.

 

The transponders were turned off before the pilot said good night to the Malaysian controller.

 

 

(CNN) -- [breaking news alert, 7:12 p.m. ET]

 

The U.S. intelligence community is leaning toward a theory that "those in the cockpit" -- the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- were deliberately responsible for whatever happened to the commercial jetliner that vanished, a U.S. official with direct knowledge of the latest thinking told CNN on Saturday.

 

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, says the Malaysian government had wanted a reason to search the homes of the pilot and co-pilot for several days, but it was only in the last 24 to 36 hours the technical analysis of the collected radar and satellite data gave Malaysian officials sufficient reason to inspect those residences.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[macoman]

CNN is reporting that USA officials are now focused on the cockpit crew, and say the the flight turn to the west was preprogrammed.

The transponders were turned off before the pilot said good night to the Maylasia airport.

I am tired of all these damn news that say that the airplane is here or there or north or south or west... Damn it, where is the airplane? Stop with the damn speculations.

[exotoxic]

I am tired of all these damn news that say that the airplane is here or there or north or south or west... Damn it, where is the airplane? Stop with the damn speculations.

 

If they don't speculate then there will be no news and therefore can not cash in on the "mystery" :laugh:

[macoman]

If they don't speculate then there will be no news and therefore can not cash in on the "mystery" :laugh:

Not bad to speculate couple times but everyday a new speculation that does not resolve anything at all... I am tired of it.

[The Evil Overlord]

Not bad to speculate couple times but everyday a new speculation that does not resolve anything at all... I am tired of it.

I agree, unfortunately, they need to keep this sort of crap up, so repeat offenders get to see how much screen time this event is getting...

[Hum]

I am tired of all these damn news that say that the airplane is here or there or north or south or west... Damn it, where is the airplane? Stop with the damn speculations.

I say we break out the Ouija boards. :laugh:

[kaffra]

So? It's a picture from a satellite, nobody said it was 100% authenticated and verified to be MH370 and that everyone should follow it. They had a lead, they verified it and it didn't pan out. Malaysia, on the other hand:

this supposedly superpower is also making mistakes in the search op which they themselves are involved in and they are blaming a small country for lack of authenticated information?

1. Has constantly kept information quiet and released it 2 days later or released it to the media without informing their own search partners. Vietnam has said multiple times now that Malaysia hasn't been open with them on the information they receive.

Vietnam has been making the most speculation and stories with no facts.

2. Have constantly backpedaled on the information they gave. One day they'll say one thing, the next day they'll say something else and claim the previous information was false even though it came from them, and then the third day they'll go back to the first thing they said and go "this is what we really meant"

i didnt follow all the malay PC, so cant comment which was from them and which was speculation from other sides

 

3. They wasted 5+ hours of search time because they initially didn't release the right time of disappearance even though every other source disagreed with them. I understand that they were extremely busy but that 5 hours could have been crucial.

the region has had a lot of issues lately with china bullying its way in to vietnam, philiphines and malaysian shores. last year south philiphine rebels attached malaysia. tense area and you cant just barge in other peoples territory.

 

4. "Lied" In one of their early press interviews the director of the DCA claimed that ACARS didn't give out any abnormal signals before the plane disappeared. Then after half the internet went "what? The plane didn't have any ACARS system" in the next interview he then says "no the plane didn't have ACARS on board"

I dont even know what the DCA guy was speaking, he seemed to really struggle with english

5. Malaysia Airlines support team that they sent to Beijing was a failure. Some of the members didn't speak mandarin and only spoke broken English.

malaysia airlines can use a translator then. the chinese are expecting people to kiss their feet maybe.

some of the family members demanded lifetime free airfare on malaysia airlines and many other crazy demands

Malaysia has screwed up a lot more than China has even the plane that vanished was their very own flag carrier.

its also a code share with south china airlines. malaysia has lost its people too but they didnt blame china or vietnam for inaccurate information

[McKay]

Wonder if someone "ditched" the plan near an island somewhere like did a water landing near land...

 

I thought there was no such thing as a Water landing for a passenger jet? Only "crashing into the ocean"  :rofl:

[The Evil Overlord]

I thought there was no such thing as a Water landing for a passenger jet? Only "crashing into the ocean"  :rofl:

Um, Miracle on the Hudson?

 

(found a link and watched it on the news)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549

[McKay]

Um, Miracle on the Hudson?

 

(found a link and watched it on the news)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549

 

I understand they're not impossible, just supposedly very rarely done successfully. The "There is only crashing into the ocean" is a quote from an Airline pilot.

[neufuse Veteran]

I thought there was no such thing as a Water landing for a passenger jet? Only "crashing into the ocean"  :rofl:

The Hudson river landing was a bad scenario because it had damaged engines... if you had a fully working plane landing on water to "ditch" it shouldn't be AS hard because you'd have a lot more control over it

[The Evil Overlord]

The Hudson river landing was a bad scenario because it had damaged engines... if you had a fully working plane landing on water to "ditch" it shouldn't be AS hard because you'd have a lot more control over it

I think he was referring directly to the quote, as technically a water landing in a plane that isn't designed to be used for water landings, cannot be classed as a 'landing'

I guess he could have used 'emergency landing', but honestly, even I thought any aircraft not designed to 'land' on water isn't actually landing on the water..

[Mr. Gibs]

Vietnam has been making the most speculation and stories with no facts.

Er no sorry they haven't. My post wasn't even about speculation, but keep trying.

 

the region has had a lot of issues lately with china bullying its way in to vietnam, philiphines and malaysian shores. last year south philiphine rebels attached malaysia. tense area and you cant just barge in other peoples territory.

Except that it wasn't about barging in.

Malaysia initially gave the wrong time of disappearance, then 5 hours later they put out a new report saying "sorry the old one was wrong, the plane disappeared at this time".

 

I dont even know what the DCA guy was speaking, he seemed to really struggle with english

That's a pathetic excuse. You have 240 people on board a plane that are missing, if he can't speak properly or has no idea what he was talking about put someone else in charge and let them do the talking.

 

malaysia airlines can use a translator then. the chinese are expecting people to kiss their feet maybe.

some of the family members demanded lifetime free airfare on malaysia airlines and many other crazy demands

Yet another pathetic excuse. If tomorrow your family went missing I'll be sure to send someone who doesn't speak a word of your language to help support you. Then you can hire a translator because that would make you feel so good.

 

its also a code share with south china airlines. malaysia has lost its people too but they didnt blame china or vietnam for inaccurate information

Code share means nothing. It was a malaysian airlines plane PERIOD. And it's because Vietnam and China haven't been acting out of the sheer incompetence that Malaysia has been.

Sorry but this is just a fact. Either Malaysia has something to hide or they are just that incompetent. At first when this story came out I supported the Malaysians, I figured that they have a lot on their plate and mistakes can happen and do happen. But every ####ing day it's another screw up coming out of their mouths.

First it was 2 people with stolen passports, then it became 4 people, then it became 2 people who were Asian, then it became 2 people who looked like italians, then it became oh 5 people didn't board and had their bags removed, then it became oh no wait those 5 people were on the plane, and so on. How the #### do you not even know who boarded and who didn't board the plane?

Sure there has been wrong information out of Vietnam and China but they didn't turn around and deny everything 2 mins later. Malaysia says one thing and then 2 mins later says the complete opposite.

Now you have information coming out that Malaysia has satellite and radar evidence that the plane flew for hours, where the #### was this radar evidence a week ago? It's not like a radar site just magically appeared and was like "sorry I'm late, here's the information you were looking for" Oh but wait, 2 hours later the DCA denies it.

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As for the radar thing. If you turn off the transponder you don't disappear from primary radar. You will still show up except instead of the radar controller seeing your planes information and squawk code he will just see a big ? (question mark).

Sure those countries don't have the best radar systems but they would have still noticed a plane entering their country from international waters with a ? and they wouldn't have ignored it.

[Praetor]

Sure those countries don't have the best radar systems but they would have still noticed a plane entering their country from international waters with a ? and they wouldn't have ignored it.

 

just want to mention that it can be possible to miss the plane if it's out of range of primary RADAR; don't forget that the plane was flying in international waters, way beyond the limit of RADAR.

[Mr. Gibs]

just want to mention that it can be possible to miss the plane if it's out of range of primary RADAR; don't forget that the plane was flying in international waters, way beyond the limit of RADAR.

Sure if it stayed constantly far from shore and out of range of radar then it would effectively be invisible. But you have a lot of theories going on that the plane flew over land, in which case it would have been picked up by primary radar especially in countries like India that have radar technology.

If that plane entered a country that had radar it would have been picked up, ATC won't just go "oh look a random plane flying in from abroad with no identification or squawk code, I'll just ignore it and make some tea"