Malaysia Airlines 'loses contact with plane' (and search effort updates)

[Praetor]

it's all just conjectures; if the plane fell into the ocean as reported in the oilring then why a satellite "pinged" the airplane more then 7h after it take off? then again, if the plane was hijacked (for whatever the reason) then why make such a bold, very dangerous and incredible prone to fail plan? every single theory i've read it has some flaws, so unless the answer to this big mystery is a simple one, we have to wait for the black boxes to find what truly happened.

[xrobwx71]

I thought this was interesting.

 

http://www.flightradar24.com/

[neufuse Veteran]

I thought this was interesting.

 

http://www.flightradar24.com/

 

 

what's interesting about it?

[Hum]

it's all just conjectures; if the plane fell into the ocean as reported in the oil rig then why a satellite "pinged" the airplane more then 7h after it take off?

That handshake signal to a satellite does not identify flight 370.

 

It could have been from any other 777 jet -- any plane using Rolls-Royce engines.

[Skiver Veteran]

That handshake signal to a satellite does not identify flight 370.

 

It could have been from any other 777 jet -- any plane using Rolls-Royce engines.

Ok, but surely they would have an idea of how many 777's with Rolls-Royce engines are in that area capable of producing the ping and then work out how many pings they received (in theory each one is doing it) and then work out if there is one more in that area than they expected?

[riahc3]

Malaysian Disappearance Joins Longest in Modern Aviation

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-17/australia-to-lead-hunt-for-jet-in-southern-indian-ocean.html

[FloatingFatMan]

Malaysian Disappearance Joins Longest in Modern Aviation

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-17/australia-to-lead-hunt-for-jet-in-southern-indian-ocean.html

 

Hopefully, enough lessons will be learned from this so that it will never be repeated.

 

They can start by making it impossible for anyone on board the aircraft to disable the transponder signal and other tracking devices.

[neufuse Veteran]

You know, maybe it's time to put GPS tracking into each engine (for redundancy) and another one on the jet its self then report that back in semi-real time and retrofit older jets also.... we have the tech to do this now days... heck it would not only keep track of where every jet is, they could use it to plan better routes by data mining, and speed up approach and takeoff (kinda what GE is already implementing with their newer air traffic control system)...

[DocM]

IIRC the RR/Trent engines on the 777 ping their coordinates and condition to home base via satellite at regular intervals, so I don't know how GPS would have improved this. That and the last I heard GPS is starting to be put into avionics packages already.

[Arachno 1D]

[Hurmoth]

That was my first guess, but I thought it was way too easy so I wrote it off. :P

[neufuse Veteran]

IIRC the RR/Trent engines on the 777 ping their coordinates and condition to home base via satellite at regular intervals, so I don't know how GPS would have improved this. That and the last I heard GPS is starting to be put into avionics packages already.

really? There's been a bunch of "pilots" on TV claiming they only get performance monitoring stats of the engines if they sent coordinates, shouldn't the last pings of help figure out the direction?

[Mr. Gibs]

Malaysia has agreed to hand over all raw data to the US and UK. No longer will other countries rely on the Malaysian interpretation of the data.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-chronology/index.html?c=homepage-t

Now Mr.Malaysia-can-do-no-wrong what do you make of this?

But thank ######ing god, everything the Malaysians have done have been screw ups. Wrong times, wrong path, "oh after 1 week we realized the plane flew over Malaysia and was picked up by our radar" and so on.

That said, I am expecting someone from the government to now deny this and go "Oh we have no reports about us handing over any information" :rolleyes:

[webeagle12]

That handshake signal to a satellite does not identify flight 370.

 

It could have been from any other 777 jet -- any plane using Rolls-Royce engines.

 

You should work for news channel site..... and your statement particularly false.

 

The way they found out those pings is looking through "satellite" records and seeing that Satellite was still receiving/seeing pings to that PARTICULAR data box (SATCOM). 

IIRC the RR/Trent engines on the 777 ping their coordinates and condition to home base via satellite at regular intervals, so I don't know how GPS would have improved this. That and the last I heard GPS is starting to be put into avionics packages already.

 

Newer SATCOM boxes have GPS tracking technologies

[philcruicks]

BBC: 10 possible theories on what might have happened.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26609687

 

Thailand?s military announced Tuesday that it had radar data that seems to corroborate Malaysian military radar data tracking a plane likely to be MH370 flying west over the Malacca Strait.

Why didn?t Thailand release the data before Tuesday? Because it wasn?t specifically asked for it, military officials says.

 

source: abc

[pallipdrsn0]

philcruicks, on 18 Mar 2014 - 16:50, said:philcruicks, on 18 Mar 2014 - 16:50, said:philcruicks, on 18 Mar 2014 - 16:50, said:philcruicks, on 18 Mar 2014 - 16:50, said:

Why didn?t Thailand release the data before Tuesday? Because it wasn?t specifically asked for it, military officials says.

 

 

But I thought this was kinda interesting: Why didn't the MH370 passengers call anyone?: http://news.msn.com/world/why-didnt-the-mh370-passengers-call-anyone

 

But if the plane was hijacked, and that's a huge if in my mind, then it'll probably be jam-packed with explosives and used somewhere when the media stops talking about it (I always found it interesting that the 9/11 guys chose the World Trade Center as their first target, as that's not something I would have chosen) - all they would need would just be a mixture of fertilisers and fuel oil, easy to get and cheap; was even used in Oslo 2011 by Anders Behring Brevik

 

I'm surprised that I've not seen this site mentioned in any media http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

[DocM]

They chose the WTC because it was unfinished business; they failed to bring it down with the 1993 truck bombing.

Ramzi Yousef, a primary leader of the 1993 bombing team, is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's nephew. KSM planned 9/11.

[pallipdrsn0]

DocM, on 18 Mar 2014 - 18:43, said:DocM, on 18 Mar 2014 - 18:43, said:DocM, on 18 Mar 2014 - 18:43, said:

They chose the WTC because it was unfinished business; they failed to bring it down with the 1993 truck bombing.

Ramzi Yousef, a primary leader of the 1993 bombing team, is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's nephew. KSM planned 9/11.

 

Thanks for that; never knew of the family connection - but I later learned that the World Trade Center was supposedly some sort of a 'figure head' or a symbol for finance; but the movie "Independence Day" wouldn't have been as good it they hadn't used The White House in the movie. As I understand it it's the foreign policy of the USA they were supposedly "protesting" by these attacks, so I'll never know why they didn't attack the White House or even the State Department (and a side note, I think the Pentagon was deliberately blown up and a plane didn't come near it)

 

But I'm off track here so this is my last post

 

p.s.: No NSA, I'm not planning to do any of the sort; never have and never will. Oh, and a computer of mine crashed last month, could you please send me your backup copy. You know where to send it to.

[kaffra]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-chronology/index.html?c=homepage-t

Now Mr.Malaysia-can-do-no-wrong what do you make of this?

But thank ####ing god, everything the Malaysians have done have been screw ups. Wrong times, wrong path, "oh after 1 week we realized the plane flew over Malaysia and was picked up by our radar" and so on.

That said, I am expecting someone from the government to now deny this and go "Oh we have no reports about us handing over any information" :rolleyes:

 

200 NM NW of Penang island puts it mostly in Thailands border

[Hum]

Ok, but surely they would have an idea of how many 777's with Rolls-Royce engines are in that area capable of producing the ping and then work out how many pings they received (in theory each one is doing it) and then work out if there is one more in that area than they expected?

From what I've read, there are thousands of 777's in use.

 

And other jets use the ACARS system.

[Hum]

You should work for news channel site..... and your statement particularly false.

 

The way they found out those pings is looking through "satellite" records and seeing that Satellite was still receiving/seeing pings to that PARTICULAR data box (SATCOM). 

 

Newer SATCOM boxes have GPS tracking technologies

The guests, pilots, experts on the News channels have stated that the so-called pings do not identify any particular plane.

 

Argue with them.

 

It is only a theory that the faint signals came from MH370.

 

The plane had an ACARS system in which information could be bounced off a satellite back to land, but that system had been turned off. Nonetheless ? and here is where it gets technically tricky ? there was still a ?handshake? between the satellite and the plane?s ACARS system. No data was transmitted either way, but the ?handshake? signaled that the plane was still operational. The handshake didn?t reveal location, but did reveal the degree to which the satellite would need to adjust its antenna to receive or transmit data to the plane.

[Hum]

 

 

But I thought this was kinda interesting: Why didn't the MH370 passengers call anyone?: http://news.msn.com/world/why-didnt-the-mh370-passengers-call-anyone

 

I'm surprised that I've not seen this site mentioned in any media http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

 

This was late at night.  Many passengers may have been sleeping, listening to music, watching the in-seat videos.

 

Also, the phones may not have been close enough to cell towers.

[FloatingFatMan]

This was late at night.  Many passengers may have been sleeping, listening to music, watching the in-seat videos.

 

Also, the phones may not have been close enough to cell towers.

 

Unless the plane has an active cellphone relay through its own comm systems (which can be turned off in the cockpit anyway), cell phones almost never work in a plane once it's in flight.

 

For one, you're inside a dirty great big Faraday Cage, and for two, cell phones actually have a fairly short range so just aren't going to be able to find a cell tower in flight.

[Hum]

^ Also, the flight over land may have been brief, at the speed they were going.

[Hum]

FOX News reports that Maldives islanders say they saw a low flying plane like MH370 on March 8th.