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Even if organized religion was handed down from the wizard behind the curtain, it was still implemented in the way the person doing the authoring wanted as a social control, to try to make sure people didn't do bad things, if you're not scared of the law, maybe you'll be scared you'll catch a lightning bolt to the dome...

Also, when discoverers started to find things out about the world, they were called labelled lunatic/heretic/witch, and then now we use what they began to find even more...if you're trying to save your control over people, you can't have smarter people discovering things that debunk your little myths, now can you?

This isn't about whether someone choose to believe in religion or not. To me this is about whether or not God is real. And if God is real, then it isn't implausible that a God could inspire men to write scripture in an accurate way. After all, if God can create the world, it would be trivial to work through men to write the scripture accurately.

As for the time when scientists were labled heretics, etc., modern believers would argue that the church of the day wasn't following Christ's teachings. The church was akin to today's governments, and breed corruption. The church leadership were more interested in power than following Christ, and as such, tried to protect their status.

Today most Christians are just fine with science. I'm a Christian and also have a huge interest in science. I may not believe in the Big Bang, but then again, it's just a theory (and if it were some other field of science, I don't think the arguments supporting it would rise to the level of a theory, meaning because of the topic it gets more credit than I believe it deserves considering the contradictions and holes present in the theory, but that's another thread).

fact is religion makes us bow down to a god that might not even exist!

What if God does exist? Hell isn't the joyride the movies make it out to be. Hold a lighter up to your pinky finger for a minute and tell me how that feels, now imagine your whole body burning forever. That doesn't sound like a fun party to me. :no: So if God is real and does exist--and I believe He does--then I want to be on His side.

What if God doesn't exist? Well I'll have lived a good life and have no regrets. I'm happy as are most Christians I know. We have a faith that helps us get through the hard times. We have a sense of purpose in our life. We feel a sense of community and belonging. If God isn't real, our way of coping with life is just as good, and I'd argue better, than anyone else's way of living.

So to me, being a Christian is a win-win proposition. If God is real as I believe He is, then I'm going to heaven when I die. If God isn't real, well at least I'm living a life that I feel has purpose.

Fact is, without religion (for which our laws and such as derived from), we wouldn't have a society.

I agree with that point. Those which call your comment a joke, obviously dont know...

I find it hard to believe that people need proof for everything, alot of times I go along with something without proof and I end up fine. No need to always need proof.

With regards to religion, I think the whole bible was simply a best seller "back the the day" and here we have millions basing their lives on a book that was written when people thought the world was flat and the centre of the universe was where isreal is today...

No offense to those who have 'faith' and I hope I am wrong...

but I would not base my life on what Tom Clancy wrote... Even if he is a 'good read'

Ok start the onslaught of the "Burn in he|| Dixon" posts... :devil:

Ok, I need to reply as well....

Think about all this....There are clinical test where people complaining of an illness will be tested...some will be given real medicine and others placebos...and in some cases they get better even with the placebo...ok now you might ask why i bring this up.

this will all tie in together towards the end

Now people believe in religion, dont beleive in it, or aliens...there are probably more but im just naming those... People see things in the sky and report it and sometimes there are shows where all they show are these "alien ships"....all of a sudden people are reporting seeing things....its either real or all just made up in your mind, an optical allusion

ok now, there are also the type of people that have made "religions" based on movies (Star Trek, Star Wars, Matrix) etc... Some of these people truly believe that this **** is real...but because of technology, a man(s)'s idea is brought to life on a screen...so most of the people that watch this realize it is fake

back then, there wasnt this type of technology, so one man(s)'s story could be passed around and people would believe it... Maybe back then someone wasnt getting the attention they wanted and started a story....people just beleived it , and no one really could say that he made it up, which then became a religion and grew and grew into an (occult?) ...we just dont look at it that way

i dont know, i kind of forgot the point, not exactly sure if this makes sense...but it is something to think about

no u guys got it wrong, what i am trying to ask is do you guys believe that religion is real or is just an excuse to explain the unknown. i don't care about what kind of religion, but religion as a general catagory

You are absolutely right. No one is wrong, and everyone is right in this argument. The reasoning for that is since everyone has a belief (opinion), they will believe what they believe. I do feel that everyone needs something to believe in, whether it's an All-Mighty Supreme Being (God, Buddha, etc.), or the theories of Science. Human nature, if nothing else, has taught us that people MUST have some kind of belief to survive.

And about the aliens...well, to quote Jodie Foster in Contact, "It's pretty arrogant for us to believe we're the only ones out there...seems like an awful waste of space to me." (or something along those lines). Besides, just because "God created the Heavens and the Earth", what's to say he didn't create another planet? The earthen people (tring to stay away from Earthlings here) wouldn't need to know "back in the day."

Now. I'm done thinking deeply....my brain hurts!

--Kas :wacko:

Edited by Kasandoro
What if God does exist? Hell isn't the joyride the movies make it out to be. Hold a lighter up to your pinky finger for a minute and tell me how that feels, now imagine your whole body burning forever. That doesn't sound like a fun party to me. :no: So if God is real and does exist--and I believe He does--then I want to be on His side.

What if God doesn't exist? Well I'll have lived a good life and have no regrets. I'm happy as are most Christians I know. We have a faith that helps us get through the hard times. We have a sense of purpose in our life. We feel a sense of community and belonging. If God isn't real, our way of coping with life is just as good, and I'd argue better, than anyone else's way of living.

So to me, being a Christian is a win-win proposition. If God is real as I believe He is, then I'm going to heaven when I die. If God isn't real, well at least I'm living a life that I feel has purpose.

Sorry to double-post, but I had to second SkolVikings' post. I am a Christian, and feel the same as you do dude.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

--Kas

You are absolutely right.  No one is wrong, and everyone is right in this argument.  The reasoning for that is since everyone has a belief (opinion), they will believe what they believe.

Wrong! Either Jesus Christ is really God or He isn't. Either Allah is really god or he isn't. Etc... People can believe whatever they want to believe, but something is true and the rest isn't. Either God is real, or Allah is real, or there is no god at all, etc. When we die something is going to happen (even if that something is nothing).

There is/are no god(s).

Religion; A creation of the human mind for which it craved to know "Where did we come from, where did it all start?"

And so was created to answer that question, with no rock-solid proof whatsoever.

www.christianburner.com is a good site for info about how the Christian beliefs in a "god" is flawed.

The closest I can resemble a "god", would be nature itself. "It" has no conscience, no thinking, no mercy, "it" is nothing more than pure physics/chemistry/biology, "it" is the way things work.

This is what I have concluded over the many years of arguing about religion. Because there is no proof doesn't mean it isn't true, correct. But that is all that it seems to boil down to for the people who choose to believe in such a rediculously absurd fantasy tale.

I am a Christian too...and its easier to believe that a mighty and powerful being (God) created the earth and everything else out of nothing. Its harder to believe than from nothing...and with no reason...the big bang occurred and with some luck earth and the rest of what we know was created.

look, you are saying the bible is a best seller?

YEP I am saying the Biible WAS a best seller... Muslims and the Koran... I know little of... So I dont mock what I dont know...and If i am going to offend anyone... it will be people I know... I was brought up in catholic school and have read the bible and studied Catholic religon... ergo I can poke fun at the bible and the writing skills of matt, marc, luc and jon...

Also how the Church says everything has to stay the same even after 2000 years.,.. hahaha what a joke....

I believe when we die we ROT... lights out it is over... so make the most of it while you are here...

If I am wrong... GREAT... AWESOME... but I doubt I am and I am not counting on an afterlife...

So if you need something to help you days go by... a crutch to keep your spirits up... maybe religon is for you....

:pinch: waiting for he reacton for hte freakishly catholic HAHAHA

Surah an-Nur verse 31 reads:

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands.

So its like a lucky dip? and you find out when you marry her?

I am a Christian too...and its easier to believe that a mighty and powerful being (God) created the earth and everything else out of nothing. Its harder to believe than from nothing...and with no reason...the big bang occurred and with some luck earth and the rest of what we know was created.

and god had a reason to create everything? prove it

its easier to believe that a mighty and powerful being (God) created the earth and everything else out of nothing. Its harder to believe than from nothing...and with no reason...the big bang occurred and with some luck earth and the rest of what we know was created.

How do you figure that it is easy to believe that a GOD created earth rather than the big bang theory...

I dunno I think Steven Hawking could argue circles around the pope...

that's thats, what i think...

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No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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